Prescription 222 painkillers contain CODEINE. QUOTE: "When an early first marriage ended in divorce, Katie's ambitions bloomed.... "I always knew how to make money," she says... Unable to find a purpose for living and feeling intensely bitter, Katie began taking her husband's prescription painkillers..." "In 1986 Katie [...] had spent a decade fallin
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GOE, its true in all of these LGAT seminars that they don't work on everyone. Its a numbers game, and they know it. They advertise widely, and it bounces off some people, some buy a book or two, while some others get deeply hooked into it. Your friend was possibly a person who was not in too much pain in life, so The Work made her/him feel worse. The Work is ultimately all about creat
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Thx so much for posting the text for attending a Byron Katie School For The Work. People have a right to read that well before they attend, and to do so when they are not under social and time pressure at a large event. Most people are too rushed to read it, and they just sign it without reading it. (please never do that!!) They also have a right to take it to their attorney and mental health ca
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Recently came across this excellent article about the unethical use of hypnosis and manipulation, which explains in detail what people like Byron Katie are doing. It would be interesting to compare Byron Katie with this article, and see how many points match-up. The article is 20 years old, and like I have said all along, Byron Katie and others like her are using techniques that are around 20 y
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That sentence says The Work is UNDERTAKEN AT YOUR OWN RISK, and The Work is not for mental health or medical conditions. That would actually be comical, if it were not reality. Anyone who has read the BK books, and the suppressed BK books like "A Cry In The Desert" and "Losing The Moon" know those books are full front to back of "stories" of people's cance
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There is a very very disturbing post on the Carol Skolnick blog Soul Surgery, about an apparent suicide, and a man named John Wayne Dulaney. John Wayne Dulaney listed his interests as Byron Katie, Eckhart Tolle, Adyashanti. This blog post about suicide, shows the extreme danger of these "bad teachings" of Byron Katie and the extreme dangers in the rationalizations that come from
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yes, its the same old salespitch, that someone can teach you to stay high all the time, and end all your suffering, this time with the eternal orgasmatron. Nicole Daedone in that video, says that she was disappointed that each time the enlightenment "high" didn't last, and she can teach you how to make it last...for a price. One hopes people realize this is utter nonsense. Its
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In the CD program, Wayne Dyer comes out as a big supporter of Abraham Hicks, as well. Of course, Hay House has business deals with all these people, its all cross-marketing business. Then Wayne Dyer says you can prevent Alzheimer’s by not thinking about it, like his mother supposedly did. So Wayne Dyer is saying if you get Alzheimer’s, you created it. As far as Byron Katie in this CD, it
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There is some extremely questionable material on the website of Debra S London, MD. She is blatantly promoting The Work of Byron Katie, and not providing any evidence. Debra London MD is also completely ignoring everything else that is going on with Byron Katie. Information posted on her website is interesting. She states she was in a severe depression in 2004, and this is when she found By
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This is a good example of why even though its always better to go with a licensed therapist, they still have to be carefully evaluated. "Right Brain" psychiatry raises some red flags right there, and her comparison of Cognitive Therapy to The Work shows very poor judgement and is a very biased and flawed analysis. There is literally not one single piece of evidence, not one single s
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Oprah and her people are quite smart, of course. Oprah has said the public is "not ready" for Abe-Hicks, right? So she knows that her public will revolt if she pushes her New Age weird culty stuff at them too hard on the TV show. So instead, in the summer, she "floats" it in using radio and online sources. That is a softsell, coming in through the backdoor, the screendoor a
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Haven't listened to the interview yet, will do so later. But its very interesting that Byron Katie says The Work "alleviates depression, decreases stress". That is due to this thread on the Rick Ross Forum. Byron Katie (the Work) Complaints, California Board of Psychology, FTC (as of March 03, 2008, they have reposted and CHANGED at least 6 CLAIMS) Before this thre
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this is very interesting. It really brings home why these LGAT Gurus FORCE you to sign their complete disclaimers for all liability before you attend their LGAT's. That is NOT voluntary, you either sign, or they will throw you out into the street on your ass. Why? Because they know they are harming vulnerable people. Even our new BK friend Cultcity, when it was mentioned the BK F
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I have said my piece on so-called personal Life Coaches before, they are mainly a waste of money and useless, and at worst very harmful. Its too broad. A coach is about specific skills, like golf. If a person has a problem, find a coach for that problem, like a golf coach, or a piano coach, etc. Life Coaches are a current fad to make easy money. Many of the contracts are tricky and lock peopl
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And Byron Katies own blog, which says it is posted by "Byron Katie", just made a post last week that The Work is...the best type of cognitive therapy...as claimed by David Wise PhD and posted by Byron Katie on her own blog. (of course, The Work not listed anywhere as cognitive therapy). But, Byron Katie's own blog is now on record saying that The Work is a type of "therap
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Some interesting points coming out from our new surprise guest CultCity. - doing The Work worksheets, does lead to the 9 Day programs, that is how it is set up. They suck people deeper and deeper into it. The self-blame created by The Work magnifies depression, that is very clear. Its a bottomless pit. The idea that The Work is free, is false. That has been shown in great detail. Just because
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That is the same idea as Popper, in terms of any theory being Falsifiable, or Testable. Cognitive Therapy for example, has been put to hundreds of tests. Byron Katie has refused to put The Work to any proper scientific tests, or controlled studies. Meanwhile, she hires and recruits shills to make EXTREME claims about The Work, like saying it is a form of therapy, and that it ELIMINATES DEPRE
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Yes, one can be certain that initial "high" is the crack cocaine phase of The Work, engineered right into it. That is always going to wear off, they all use those methods, Landmark, Scientology... Also, as mentioned, one cannot compare Dr. David Burns, to a person like Byron Katie. He is a medical doctor, who was around for years when CBT was being researched, and he has been a part
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One thing Solea's post above triggered in me is something that is so easy to forget. When anyone is caught in one of these "systems", they can't see it. For example, basically no one in a cultish system ever seems to know they are in that system, often they think they know the "truth", or that "there is no truth" etc. One is pretty certain very few reg
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Its amazing that apparently not one person inside or promoting the Byron Katie system is able to reasonably discuss the various Techniques Byron Katie is using in her seminars. Not one? The best they seem to be able to do is try to Distract, Deflect, tap-dance, or attack. Fairly typcial. the best defence is a good offence. I wrote this for Daphne, and I send it out to all the other random-ID
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"Daphne" Here is a way you can help. Please email Stephen Mitchell today and ask him to provide you with links to the specific peer-reviewed studies which indicate the results of all of the controlled studies that have been carried out to test The Work by Byron Katie. (So far there are none posted anyone is aware of). Remember, a Control Group study, is not the same as Testimon
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That is what Byron Katie apparently said in that banned book, that she healed someone like Jesus Christ, and she hints at that stuff all the time. Probably Stephen Mitchell came on the scene, and wanted to rewrite and fine-tune the Byron Katie marketing image, so he recalled all those books from before 1998, and shredded them in his basement. Kinda funny how Byron Katie manages her "story&
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Solea, your rants are excellent. Unlike these fake culty new agey philosophies, I think most psychologists would agree that getting quite angry and pissed off is part of the healing process. (that is different than excessive Raging or hatred, which needs to be managed carefully). My pet theory is its about getting our healthy "boundaries" back again. I cannot think of any reason
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One has to wonder, where did Carol Skolnick learn about treating and managing depression? The Work by Byron Katie? There is literally ZERO objective proof that The Work by Byron Katie works for depression. There have been no clinical studies at all. Nothing. Byron Katie claims to ELIMINATE DEPRESSION with The Work, does Carol Skolnick also claim this? Carol is a very careful and tricky
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Quote What is The Work? It seems to change daily? Why? Where are the explanations? Does it need to be immediately reported the psychological authorities in California? There were detailed and what appeared like extreme psychological and even medical CLAIMS being made on "What Is The Work" website of Byron Katie. But sometime after Feb 23, 2008 they were DELETED from their we
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Quote What is The Work? It seems to change daily? Why? Where are the explanations? Does it need to be immediately reported the psychological authorities in California? There were detailed and what appeared like extreme psychological and even medical CLAIMS being made on "What Is The Work" website of Byron Katie. But sometime after Feb 23, 2008 they were DELETED from their we
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stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com Stuart: Stop trying to play insulting mind-games with honest and decent members of this forum who are expressing their views about how Byron Katie has hurt them, and Byron Katies abusive methods have been explained in great detail. Byron Katie is practicing Thought Reform and NLP, and dozens of other techniques. Lying about it does not change reality, unlik
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RandomStu: Why don't you address any one of the dozens of lies Byron Katie tells for a living? Byron Katie claims to ELIMINATE DEPRESSION. Byron Katie hides her past associations. Byron Katie hides her techniques. The Byron Katie company is probably going to try to flood these threads with Katie-babble to just try to confuse the public. The line "I leave her alone, and she l
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The Byron Katie folks seem to always take a similar tact. They always ignore the fact that Byron Katie does DOZENS of obvious LGAT techniques she has taken from others, and claims she made it all up herself. Its an outright falsehood. She also claims she is not doing any techniques. Which is also false. Anyone who gets involved will see her do the same "act" time and time again. It
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Hi SusanD: thanks for the excellent report. It explains clearly the process Byron Katie puts people through, from Targeting folks who are going through some tough times, Denial and Avoidance to dissociate from pain, Turnarounds that turn into excessive self-blame and self-downing which creates depression and drives people further into the Byron Katie system, exploitation of pain for massive pr
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