dharmabum wrote in 2010: Adults have every right to choose beliefs they want to belong to no matter how stupid they are, but the children are often times involved in cults not by choice. When the parents are brainwash they think that they are doing their kids the highest good ....Swami Bhaktivedanta use to say that regular schools where like slaughter house ...so he created the gurukula wher
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In one of the video posted by Rama ji ...Butler says that the actual words of Jesus in the new testament are no longer ..."THAN ONE OF HIS OWN 2 HOURS LECTURES" Now that a funny and troubling statement to me . The words of Jesus ...and the words of a 2 hour lecture by Butler . To me Butler look like he put himself on the level of Jesus ... And the ignorant brainwash disciples jus
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Why is the above video....now on YOUTUBE is not using CHRIS BUTLER name ...so it can be easier to come up on a search and why is there not a good explanation under the video ...to describe to possible new viewers what they are withnissing ? Same for Rama videos ...why not use the name of Butler ...or Jagad Guru ? Why ?
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Thank you so much to Rama to post these lectures Ignorance ...homophobia ...sexually explicit rant by the maniac Butler and kids were put to bed with headphones on every single night listening to that shit !!! Sweet Jesus its amazing that some kids like Rama...Engenerherr and Jagagedguru are still able to fight there way trought life ...and survive sane Heart and soul trying to
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What I know for sure... I saw with my own eyes in 1971 Butler using "psychic sleep "to control the mind of unsuspected sincere devotees (now I know it was hypnosis...as i am a certified hypnotherapist that as work with 10,000 clients ) I am the one who reported BUTLER psychic sleep activities to Swami Bhaktivedanta ...who was horrified and he gave orders for Butler to immediatly st
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Pam Ho wrote " What is it that you think is hidden about their agenda?" Lots and lots of things Mrs Pam ...just reading about Rama life story or Eigenher life story...should be anoff.. I visited Bhakti the brother of Tulsi in jail a few years ago when he was incarcerated for multiple drug offenses in Las Vegas ...the poor guy was such a sad sad case of braiwashing that did not w
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Thats a good important point made by Vera .... Its simple ...If Butler does not link himself to Iskcon and keep saying I am separate from ISKCON then he is but a little crasy Hawaii cult ... But now linking herself with ISKCON...make Tulsi looks like she is representing ISKCON and can go after the big donations that some HINDUS are capable of giving her ...She can claim to be in the sam
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ISKCON is desperate ...There doing good in India Because Indus are impress by the big temples that ISKCON are buildings so much cleaner then the old one they where use to like the one in Bangalore that I visited a few years ago and now the Mayapur 100 million dollars temple build mostly with the money of Alfred Ford .ISKCON does not want to speak about Alfred Ford known homosexuality ...or
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Posted by: eigenerherr () Date: August 20, 2015 01:59PM And totally agree about ditching everything every human has whispered or written. I feel that everytime I see people get into religious debates based on religious texts. If you replaced the books with, say, a Harry Potter volume, it just kinda shows how pointless the debates are (in my mind). Because all religion is inherently man-made
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There was a time when Mike Gabbard was saying that he would take legal actions againts the newspapers of Hawaii if they where saying that he was part of the Chris Butler cult ....and now we have Tulsi plainly signing the praises of Swami Bhaktivedanta and her own guru "MR Paramahansa " In spanish there is a saying that says THAT DECEIT IS LIKE A DOG WITH VERY SHORTH LEGS....IT CAN
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About that Hare Krishna kid movie ....and the NIMAI boy (mention by Rama ji ) Nimai is a quadraplegic ....because he was so neglected by his parents he fell of a tree when he was 10 years old or so ...his father Jagadish was the minister of education then and for many years and would fly around the world to oversee the various schools of the Hare Krishnas....he is a truth i
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Its great that someone had the great idea to pirate a lecture of Tulsi and get it on YOUTUBE (let see how long it will stay there ) I am having fun in putting as much of the negative quotes of A.C Bhaktivedanta under it ...someone should email that video to all the newspaper in Hawaii . and to media in Washington. As you may have read ...there as been many murders in New Vrindavan and I
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One of the most curious and weird information coming from the New Zeland article was that Patrick Bowler at one time did get initiation from BUTLER (and got the name Paramahansa )...and promise to his guru to never touch drugs ....not even smoke a joint and then went on to become with a few Butler other followers THE BIGGEST DRUG DEALERS IN THE WORLD moving 150 tonnes at a time of dope ...Ra
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As far as the video .."The children of the Hare Krishna " This is one of the saddest video out there on the plight of the ex students of the Krishna schools ...I know many of the participants of this video personally The truth is that It as now been proven that Swami Bhaktivedanta ..knew exactly and for sure that the children where abuse in his gurukulas ...A pedophile that had
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I have use some of the quotes of dharmabums to put under my videos on YOUTUBE(please put some comments under theses videos if you feel like it ) It is amazing that people still join that Hare Krishna cult and never bother to research A.C Bhaktivedanta said about woman ...the black race or science . It is even more amazing that Butler still initiate disciple up to this year and these peopl
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She is still working as a spiritual representative of Butler
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Chris Butler was very quick to ask his disciples to bow down to him and call him "PRABHUPAD" but over the years research of the books of Prabhupad as shown that he was a racist ...a person that denigrated woman ..and call homosexuals DEMONIACS but the most shoking of all quotes are his quotes stating that women "enjoy being rape " I made a video on the subject Chris B
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Nice to hear a the new strong voice of AC4711 But can anything be done at this point ..other than inform ? Butler cult is all legal ...and if he as a few thousand giving him 25% of their income ...His cult well funded $$ ....Now he got polititians to protect him He is still young ....let not think he is dying just yet Now with Tulsi in Washington ...no wonder he is initiating do
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According to Mormon numbers its about 300,000 new members a year worldwide But after 5 years of active membership they lose 50 % of new converts other research shows..and stop giving their 10 % of their income so be BUTLER or Mormons ....its a revolving door But Butler even with a few thousands giving 25% of their income Its a lot of money They must get fresh recruits ....to
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Actually over the few years that I have participated in this forum we have seen people ....leaving the BUTLER cult because they got informations about the cult from the forum ......So yes education is the only way to discourage people to get out of cult .....yesterday there was a program on french television saying that 1000 (one thousands) new Jehovah witness are babtise EVERY DAY somewhere
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I got the information from a good source that Butler is a initiating people at a rate not seen for a long time .......20 new initiates in the last month alone Looks like some people are eager to believe in a blue God and give 25% of their income ....All our millions words and videos does not seem to make much difference for those that just want to surrender to the GURU OF THE UNIVERSE
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Here is a video that I made this week The video is about questioning the belief that one as accepted blindly Chris Butler followers not only have to believe that their guru is the pure representative of Swami Bhaktivedanta ...but also all the incredible stories related to the belief of the Hare Krishna mouvement .... I use to believe blindly all that was feed to me over years and years
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He as slaves for counting the money.....but now its all money transfer anyway ....he looks at the numbers .......he is not that stupid
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JUST GOOGLING said It amazes me to think that some 60-year-olds are still falling for this crap! It does not amaze me .....just think all those years invested ...all that money given ....all that brainwashing ...bowing down thousands of times worshipping his pictures ..its not time to give up now .....its so deeply program in their subconscious mind ...they would be freaking lost if the
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More info from another email from the same person So the guy in question was around Butler for more than 20 years ....giving money to Butler and not paying child support for his kids that he basically abandon today I learn that Butler representatives in the Philipine arrange 2 marriages more for this guy that did not work out ....Butler refuse to initiate him all this time but
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I receive this email with request not to mention her name My ex-boyfriend has been devotee of Jagad Guru since late 70’s... My ex had good income as a businessman until late 90’s. Of course he donated at LEAST 25% of his income to the Science of Identity He went bankrupt in the late 90’s His bookkeeper told me that he donated a lot of money to Jagad Guru but did not spend any $ for h
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Thank you very much for your response ....I have sent it to Flash and Corboy ....this is no small "distraction" this is a heart and mind sharing that is very important to many of us that have been here for years and have concern about the whole processs...I am thankfull it was publish very thankful
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This posting might sound a little cryptic...but whoever it concern will understand It was very very frustrating for Flash(long time member of this tread ) to loose hundreds of postings in the transfer of RICK ROSS web site....and hundreds of hours of work and research...We have email each other and he was feeling hurt plus he made hundreds of links to various publications and web sites
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All of theses are applicable to Butler Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader. 1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.there is no way to salvation in this cult but Butler ...its Butleror your out 2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. I wonder if anyone as ever had the guts to ask him why are you taking ski vacation in Aspen with your wh
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We have to understand that Hawaii in the late 60 ies ealy 70 ies .....was a very small world when it came to yoga ...yogis ...eastern spirituality Butler arrive on the spotlight just at the right time....disciples of Shivananda ashram ...experience with LSD and other drugs and remember he said he had mystical experiences "Where he heard directly the voice of Sri Krishna " that was
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