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Re: How Eckhart Tolle took me to the brink of suicide
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: February 22, 2020 09:38PM

You are so right about the abuse apologists.

Welcome to CEI.

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Re: How Eckhart Tolle took me to the brink of suicide
Posted by: Zato ()
Date: April 24, 2020 10:37AM

Hi all, new to this forum!
I was researching info about the Avatar cult (which is quite difficult to pinpoint) and came across this website. Amazing place to clear your ideas and keep away from insanity!
First of all, you both are very brave and I encourage you to keep looking for answers, without walking into gurus traps. I hope you both are doing fine with tour lives.
I am quite surprised about all the info about Tolle's (and others) misleading teachings that it can be found here. I read his books many years ago, and liked some of his ideas, even admire him a bit I must recognize, but never bought some of his other crap.
If it is helpful to anyone, my approach to these things is that of a disbeliever. Obviously, when we are seeking for answers to distress our suffering, we are vulnerable. But that doesn't mean that we must blindly follow any teachings, not even those from wider acceptance such as Buddhism or Hinduism. We are all Westerners and we'll never grasp the deep meanings and practices of those whose culture, infancy, family story and traditions, etc were founded on those teachings.
If you allow me a couple of analogies, me being a musician, I can ever truly acquire the mindset of a hindustani musician, even with full lifetime dedication, because I have not experienced it from my childhood, and can't understand the religious and social aspects of it (I tried for a couple of years until I realized of this). Being spanish (catalan), I can't even connect with flamenco (which is common in Andalusia), because I have not "been born" into that social reality. I can learn it, of course, but there are many things I will never understand deeply, aside from moving into that region and living there for 40 years.
I was once playing for a yogi meeting, and they were thanking Krishna and other hinduist deities, but none of them knew a sh*t about all that. Aside from being disrespectful, I found it very disturbing.
On the other hand, being also a pedagog, I never approach a didactic method as if it was THE method, because they all are incomplete in some sense. So the best you can do is learn from all of them, and take what it makes sense for you.
I think the same should apply to gurus or enlightment practices. Sure, this or that guy seem to have the truth, but what is your truth? My point is, learn from everywhere but don't buy everything. Make your own path, something that makes sense for you, and if something doesn't feel well, it is probably not for you.
Having myself tried LSD, and not willing to judge ThePowerofNo, I think the feeling you explain after taking some LSD might have a lot to do with that. It's a powerful drug, and while you can have truly amazing experiences with many kind of enlightening substances, it has to be 1. Properly accompanied by someone expert (like some of the ayahuasca rituals, which I never tried and I'm a bit suspicious of them, but at least are done in a relatively safe enviroment, with people that take care of you through the experience), or 2. With the knowledge and awareness that you are under the effects of the drug. The first time I tried LSD I was out for a week, unable to speak or think coherently. At first I was very scared that it would stay that way forever (it is for some people, you should know). It didn't, I think because I tried not to overthink about it and be confident that it was a temporary state. The mind is very powerful, and when we struggle with thoughts, we can convince ourselves of anything, leading to destruction, or reconstruction.
Also, I wouldn't take it if I have doubts or I m having a bad emotional time.
Shashah, I can't imagine how it must be to have a terrible trauma like you explained. It must be very hard to overcome the anxiety of something like that. My only and humble advice is, find some good old therapist that is not trying to empty your pockets, and believe in yourself, and not the toxic guru-says that you'll find, sadly, everywhere. In any case, read them, don't believe what they say, and if something resonates and you think it might be positive, try it carefully. I think anyone with the need for answers should be accompanied with the most care. Changing the mindset in order to change your reality, paraphrasing the ugliest gurus, is difficult, so don't treat it lightly, and go to the extent where you feel safe.
One thing helps me to bring calm to my mind when I feel overwhelmed (I think, in fact, that I read it on Tolle's sh*tbooks, but I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, he took it from Buddhist teachings): the very essence of existence is a void, and no one can escape from that. So, knowing that, you can take some distance from the pain (and euphoria) and see that we cannot do anything else but take what we've got, and make the best of it. Taking care of others and focusing on basic needs (eating well, having a good sleep routine, keeping mind and body awake without being too harsh, just enough to feel well) can help a lot. Also, even I being someone who was thirsty of epiphany moments, extreme sensations of joy and euphoria (as well as the opposite) are not what life is made of.
In regards of this, a little personal anecdote: I played in a psychedelic rock band for many years. We were smoking pot all the time, looking for connection and enjoying the power of sound. We did a concert once, where a member of the band was in Thailand (where he had a breakthrough mainly beacuse of combining many powerful drugs). Other friends joined us, and so the experience of our music was all new (we didn't rehearse too much so it was kind of a jam). That gig I had an epiphany moment, so strong that for the next 6 months I couldn't find joy in anything around me, not even in the music, because nothing was giving me an experience so strong. Know what? It passed. After a time (and some conversations with friends and some connecting with the ground), things returned to a normal state. You can't live from epiphany revelation state-of-mind. Life is much simpler than that, even when it is hard and difficult.
I hope my babbling brings some light to someone.
Be strong, calm, and take care!

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Re: How Eckhart Tolle took me to the brink of suicide
Posted by: facet ()
Date: May 08, 2020 10:04PM

I find Eckhart wholly depressing.

Have to add also, if you are of understanding age and have taken a choice to take LSD, then life must be pretty unsatisfactory as it is for that person.

He runs a big business, and would have had to have engaged in propelling that with his choices and actions.. he didn’t just magically have everything organised in this way it would have taken the strong wish and drive to achieve a lot of what he has created.

It is sad because we have all these lovable figures who are actually just full of S at the end of the day.

“Bing - now silence as you ingest what I have said, because it is the authority.” - that’s basically him before he even speaks at his conferences isn’t it?

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Re: How Eckhart Tolle took me to the brink of suicide
Posted by: HisMother ()
Date: May 19, 2020 12:04AM

PowerofNO, thank you for writing on this topic. I have currently suffered the loss of my son and am writing a book on the experience. One of my chapters is titled The Death of Right and Wrong. And guess who's work is mentioned? You guessed it. Thought I'd pass along a few paragraphs from this chapter. And I hope you make a full recovery from the brainwashing stupidity of Ekhart Tolle!

" And of course, along came the spiritual enlightenment leaders of the Boomer generation. (Apparently these folks had nothing better to do.) One of these, was a man named Eckhart Tolle.

Tolle, born in 1948, said he was depressed for much of his life until age 29 when he underwent an “inner transformation”. He spent several years “wandering in a state of deep bliss” before becoming a spiritual leader. (I’m fairly certain he was stoned out of his mind most of those years.) He wrote several books, the first was The Power of Now in 1997, which hit the New York Times best seller list in 2000. Next came A New Earth….. Awakening Your Life’s Purpose, in 2005. And then he was lauded by the enlightened Liberal, Oprah Winfrey, in 2008 with a a series of ten webinars that were watched by 35 million people. While Tolle repeatedly warned his readers about the evil trappings of “ego”, he apparently believed in capitalism. It worked, and his net worth quickly soared to 70 million dollars, as a pampered generation blindly searched for the spiritual meaning of life.

Tolle’s rambling writings, and so called spiritual teachings, focused on the strength of living in the moment, the virtue of removing ego from any situation, and enjoying the power of now. He professed to alter your entire consciousness, but of course, for only those that were ready. (So apparently if you dared to challenge his words and concepts, you were one of the poor souls that just wasn’t ready for his profound message. Well isn’t that convenient! That philosophy also worked well for Charles Manson and Jim Jones.)

I read A New Earth, and never forgot the night I wanted to throw his damn book at the wall. While I must mention that millions of people found his work “life altering” and very helpful, just as he promised, to me, this guy was nothing but a pot head, stoned out of his mind. (I must have been one of those poor souls that simply wasn’t ready.) What I gained from his nihilistic writing, was worth far less than the price of his book. Why I remembered Tolle’s writing on the Zen story, Is That So?, a dozen years later is beyond me. Possible because it made me so mad, that I simply couldn’t forget it."


ENJOY YOUR RECOVERY!

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