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Join SGI - they want to get in YOUR house to inspect the shrine!
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: March 07, 2018 09:40AM

One thing the SGI recruiter did not tell me was that when you join SGI
and get the gohonzon scroll and shrine, someone from SGI comes to your
house to make sure the shrine is set up exactly right.

They get very upset if someone refuses this.

A discussion on Reddit

The person revealed he'd found some antique gohonzen scrolls on Ebay - beauties, too.

SGI management had a shit fit. Read his essay, its wonderful.


One person replied with a comment:


What I would warn you about is that their meetings are set up to induce a trance state - the purpose of the chanting and recitation at the beginning is the same as the singing, praying, and recitations at the beginning of a Christian church service. Those create an endorphin release, which relaxes the audience and renders them suggestible by disabling their critical thinking. Once lulled into that trance state, people are far more likely to accept unquestioningly everything they're told. Most of the people you'll be meeting in SGI have a raging endorphin habit going - they're endorphin junkies, so they won't want to go too long between the extended chanting sessions that provide them their "fix". There are a lot of WAY healthier ways to get an endorphin boost - going for a walk or a run, doing a favorite hobby (like painting or playing a musical instrument), going out with friends, even seeing a movie (BLACK PANTHER this weekend!!!!!!!!).

Some of the isolation techniques to watch out for - they use a private language that "outsiders" don't understand, so when you start learning this private language, if you want to discuss ideas that incorporate those concepts, you'll have to discuss them with another SGI member. Nothing unusual there. However, that's one step to getting you to isolate yourself.

The chanting practice is also isolating - even when you're doing it with others, you're not interacting with them in anything approaching a healthy social scenario. The practice - morning and evening - will isolate you, because you can't be both interacting with someone and chanting single-mindedly, y'know?

It sounds like you're interested in a lot of different things - that's really cool. I hope you'll be able to keep the balance that works best in supporting you as a unique individual. And feel free to report back on what you observe and experience in SGI - always interested in hearing what's going on!

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Re: Soka Gakkai International -- SGI
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: March 07, 2018 09:45AM


One comment. Go to the reddit thread to get all the live URLs.


My goal for especially /r/SGIWhistleblowers is to serve as a library containing ALL the "other side of the story" information that is out there about Ikeda, the Soka Gakkai, and the SGI. We've gone into some depth about Toda and Makiguchi, as well (that's been eye-opening as well). The Soka Gakkai/SGI routinely disappears material from the 'net - most of the incriminating videos have disappeared from Youtube, for example. Also, the Soka Gakkai/SGI routinely scrubs its own articles and information from the 'net, and its history has been rewritten in Ikeda's favor in the "Human Revolution" novelization series. That's a lying hagiography in which Ikeda seeks to whitewash his own past, among other things.

I think you might enjoy these articles:

On Makiguchi's pro-war stance: Engaged Buddhism: A Skeleton in the Closet? By Brian Daizen Victoria

Upon his release from prison, Josei Toda started a publishing business. Publishing PORN

Another account of Soka Gakkai's loan-sharking business (1963)

Ikeda's massive ego is still a wonder to behold!

Soka Gakkai/SGI has always recruited the people on the fringe of society - a predator that pounces upon people's suffering

Yakuza culture: See if you can see the similarities to Toda and Ikeda

By popular request: The Seven Bells - the "kosen-rufu" of Japan (takeover of the government) was supposed to happen in 1979. FAIL!

So Ikeda set his sights on 1990 instead! Daisaku Ikeda is so foolish and out of touch with reality that all of his predictions failed to materialize. How can he be qualified to be anyone's "mentor" when he has such a dubious grasp on reality?

On the Soka Gakkai gaining undue influence over Japan's Imperial family - obutsu myogo?

More politics:

Soka Gakkai leaders make much use of numerology in their interpretation and planning of events.

† - Obutsu Myogo is a Japanese term that has pretty much been stricken from the SGI lexicon and texts, but it was still in use when I joined in 1987. It means "fusion of Buddhism and government" - Buddhist theocracy. This was the initial aim of Ikeda creating the Komeito political party in Japan - to take over the government. Note that President Toda had clearly stated that the Soka Gakkai would never field a political party. The whole focus of establishing the kaidan - another word that has been deliberately removed - was to replace Japan's Ise Grand Shrine as the national spiritual center with the Sho-Hondo at Taiseki-ji (Nichiren Shoshu's grounds). This is no small deal - by replacing the national shrine with a Nichiren Shoshu/Soka Gakkai shrine, they could legitimately remove the emperor from the throne! Under Shinto (the Ise Grand Shrine is a Shinto shrine; Shinto is the state religion), the emperor rules Japan because he is a direct bloodline descendant of Amaterasu, the Sun Goddess. Because doctrine. Yeah. I just report the facts here.

Because, if the Emperor converted, all the people would be forced to convert. This is clearly in line with Nichiren's fascist fantasy - that all the people of Japan should be forced to chant his magic chant, for their own good. That's why Nichiren demanded that the government behead all the Buddhist priests and burn their temples to the ground - and install him, Nichiren, as the only official religious leader in Japan, and his new magic-chant-based religion as the official religion. (The government demurred.) Source

Nichiren wanted to take over with the established government's collusion - he'd leave the existing government in place because he just wanted to be the only priest and spiritual leader for the entire country.

ANYhow, by replacing Shinto as the state religion with SGI/Nichiren Shoshu, the Soka Gakkai would then have both the power and the legitimacy to appoint their OWN ruler over Japan - which would be none other than Ikeda!

"WHAT I LEARNED (from the second president Toda) is how to behave as a monarch. I shall be a man of the greatest power." - Daisaku Ikeda (The Gendai = Japanese monthly magazine, July 1970 issue)

That quote is from 2 years before the Sho-Hondo Grand Opening Ceremonies. This was a major political crisis in Japan, especially when Ikeda started using his newly acquired political power to lean on publishers to not publish anything negative about him or the Soka Gakkai. SOURCE

"Lost" is the key operative word. The question is whether that money was swindled from Toda, forcing him to take on big loans from the world of shadows to stave off a prison sentence, opening up Soka Gakkai to full capture by the very same forces, using Ikeda as the agent to manage the new acquisition.

Fascinating observation. I still wonder if Ikeda wasn't assigned to Toda to keep an eye on him and report back to the boss on Toda's activities. I mean, his first publishing venture post-prison was PORN and the Soka Gakkai was recruiting heavily from prostitutes - two of organized crime's most obvious territories.

Also, oddly, I noticed a source that recounted how the Soka Gakkai invited "outsiders" to contribute funds/"invest" for the Sho-Hondo's construction. Isn't that strange? Why would non-religion-members want to contribute money to the construction of a religious building? [ESPECIALLY one that was supposed to last for 10,000 years!] Where would they get a return on their investment from??? Source

Fake stories of medical healing

The Reality of the SGI

Faith Healing in SGI is just as bogus as it is in all religions that scam their members.

From 1990: "At this juncture, achieving kosen-rufu seems impossible." Nothing has changed.

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"Do Anything for 90 Days and It Will Become a Habit"
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: March 07, 2018 09:58AM


BlancheFromage 2 points 10 months ago
I asked a friend that meditates a lot why I feel better when I chant, she replied that I developed a habit over the years.

This is something we have analyzed in some detail - here are some links if you want to see the material for yourself. Long story short - if your SGI connection told you to "Try it for 90 days and you can see for yourself whether it works or not", that person did not tell you that's how long it takes to get a habit established. If that person had said, "Try it for 90 days (or 100 days) and by then it will have turned into a habit you'll have trouble breaking", would you have been willing to try? That's the standard invitation into the cult, BTW - I don't know if they're still doing that, but there it is. Do ANYTHING for 90 days and it becomes a habit. And you're more likely to continue with something once it's become a habit.

Chanting is an unhealthy practice that can create an endorphin dependency habit that can be difficult to break, just like any habit. The life of the person chanting the magic chant is passing him/her by just as surely as the life of the opium addict lying on a couch in thrall to beautiful drug-induced visions. We do not condone that sort of time-wasting here. Source

The time a person spends chanting is time that is forever lost. This is bad for several reasons:

1) Spending that time further isolates the person 2) Spending that much time alone within one's own thoughts, especially chanting to bend reality to one's will, simply reinforces one's own attachments and delusions 3) Being isolated and within one's own mind will cause one's social skills to atrophy and degrade

It is in a cult's interests to isolate the members within the cult and its practices. SGI is no different.

All that time chanting, all that time going to activities - this leaves less time for outside interests and outside friends.

People who have been SGI members for any length of time will likely have no friends at all "on the outside" - this serves SGI's purposes wonderfully. When all your friends are inside the cult, that raises the costs of leaving for you, because you know you're going to walk out alone.

What passes for "friendship" within SGI is "we see each other at SGI activities". You KNOW that without your shared belief in SGI, you have nothing in common to serve as a basis for a friendship. And you've heard how they talk about people who leave, so you know what they're going to be saying about you after you're gone.

No one will be willing to risk being seen with such a "bad apple".

Chanting produces an endorphin addiction


Chanting meditations not recommended


There's a reason that SGI meetings all start with gongyo and chanting. It's the same reason church services always start with hymns and shared recitations/call-and-response style segments. The music/singing/chanting and recitations serve to induce a trance state, in which the person being thus affected unawares "feels better" and is rendered more suggestible, more gullible, more open to accepting whatever the speaker is then going to pour into his/her consciousness. It's a tactic to disable critical thinking. And it works.

When you stop doing something that has become a habit, you will inevitably feel an empty space in your psyche. RE: SGI membership, I refer to this as a "cult-shaped hole".


For example, let's suppose you get laid off from work. You go home, go to sleep, wake up the next morning - and you automatically start your routine of getting ready for work! But you don't have a job to go to now! Sure, you can get busy looking for work and filling out applications, but it's going to feel weird and awkward - you're suddenly aware there's a job-shaped hole in your psyche.


And you may well feel anxious and stressed until you find some other similar job that fits into that hole.

When a person leaves SGI, they suddenly have a lot more free time because no more activities, particularly if they see no reason to continue with the personal practice. What I recommend is to try a breathing meditation instead. It's something you can do anywhere. What you do is to start taking deep, slow breaths and focus entirely on the sound of your own breath, the feeling of the air coming into your nose and down into your lungs, the feeling of your chest expanding, and then the sound and feeling of the air being expelled.

It's very relaxing, and will provide you with a different way of calming yourself/relaxing until you've managed to break your chanting habit.

The longer you don't do something, the less you'll feel driven to do it. When people leave a cult, they often feel "I must find a different religion to do instead." Unfortunately, having just left a cult, the hole is cult-shaped, so it's VERY likely this person will end up diving right into another cult. The longer this person can hold off on joining a religion, the less likely s/he will end up saddled with another cult.

Now that you have all this time freed up, think about all the things you used to enjoy that you didn't have time for because SGI. Think of the things you might have enjoyed trying, TV shows you kind of wanted to watch but didn't have time. Now you can get caught up! One of the first TV shows I watched post-SGI was HBO's The Tudors. I'd wanted to see it years back, but we didn't have HBO and besides, I was too busy with SGI. Really enjoyed that one.

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Re: An SGI tried to recruit Corboy -- and did not mention SGI
Date: May 13, 2018 12:32AM

Hiya, Corboy! Wow - so you finally got hit upon by the SGI! That's *hilarious*!! Interesting to see the persuasion tactics being used - clever clever. I went ahead and put up your comments over at [] - I'm sure it will get some comments in the next few days.

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Re: Soka Gakkai International -- SGI
Posted by: Clarity7 ()
Date: June 04, 2018 09:52PM

Hey all!
I've been avidly reading thos forum for weeks, and now feel brave enough to post.
I'm trying to make some sense of my time in the SGI. 12 years in, one foot out the door...... Something happened last year, where instead of employing my critical thinking to the situation, I followed 'guidance'. The results left me wondering quite what the 'practice' is all about, and the advice given from self styled life coaches. I then recently resigned from my leader role (more about why later!) The local HQ leader 'home visited' (wow, beginning to see the jargon for what it is) and instead of hearing my reasons (exhaustion and burnout being high on the list) she read me the riot act, devoid of any feeling or compassion. I was shocked. For the majority of my Gakkai time, I've held leadership postions, given countless hours of support/ organising/ facilitating study etc. My life was immersed. And because I needed a break, I get told off. Gradually my eyes have opened, my critical thinking is returning.
The flip side, is that I feel immensely guilty for questioning things. Many people were so kind when I started practising, when I was at a very lost, low point in my life.
Argh..... Did anyone else experience this confusion? I'm not prepared to put up with the BS anymore, but wading through the ingrained superstitions (you can't possibly be happy without the org) is tough. Particularly when you've been spouting it to others for years.....
Any thoughts most welcome!

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Re: Soka Gakkai International -- SGI
Date: June 23, 2018 09:09AM

Hey, Clarity7! Yeah, I was in for just over 20 years, and I know what you're talking about. At first, they love-bomb the hell out of you - it seems like they've never met someone so interesting, insightful, intelligent, fascinating, or likable! They'll immediately want to exchange phone numbers, invite you to other activities, try and make plans to get together to chant, etc.

But once you start taking on leadership responsibilities, the criticism comes out. You can never do enough for the SGI - and remember, YOU need SGI much more than SGI needs YOU. Want benefit? Then take on MORE responsibilities! Go to MORE meetings! Offer your services - toban, janitorial, giving rides to members, making reminder calls, etc. Because the more you volunteer, the more BENEFIT you'll get!

Oh, and don't think you can EVER miss a scheduled activity! The tone changes from, "I missed seeing you last night" to "Why weren't you there?" Your time is no longer your own. If you're exhausted, you simply need to chant more! With the spirit of a lion king! Reply to President Ikeda!! Show that "Never Give Up" spirit! The exhaustion is simply sansho shima trying to interfere with your getting BENEFIT! And you want BENEFIT, don't you? Of course you do! If you give in to being tired, then you won't get any. Chant to develop a higher life condition and MORE ENERGY!

It's always because YOU are doing something wrong. Don't expect understanding or accommodation, because YOU are their tool and you're supposed to be doing stuff for them. Nobody asks the hammer if it's tired, after all.

The fact is, 95% to 99% of everyone who's ever *tried* SGI-USA has quit. They've given out over a MILLION gohonzons, and now they're limping along with about 36,500 members. Oh, they like to say that if you leave, you'll see your life go straight to hell, you'll die from cancer and be attacked by spiders, and that you'll come crawling back, begging for forgiveness - but in your 12 years, how many people did you see leave (or at least notice they weren't around any more), and how many of those came back? If they realized that life IN SGI was so much better than life OUT of SGI, why wouldn't they have returned??

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Re: Soka Gakkai International -- SGI
Posted by: Clarity7 ()
Date: July 03, 2018 08:45PM

Hey Still Taiten,
Thanks so much for your reply - have only just seen it! You're so right. I think in my early days it was really helpful being part of something. But, as I've seen so many times with others who have left, once you're not part of the 'Soka Family' you may as well have fallen off the radar.
Now I've had three months out, the auto pilot thinking is subsiding. What I see s so much dissonance between what the SGI alledgedly stands for, and what is actually happening. The senior leader, who came round, criticised my decision for stepping down, showed no shred of compassion for me as a person. Nor has she been in touch since. Wow. Some buddhist action eh? I mean I wouldn't treat my real friends that way, never mind your 'friends in faith' with whom you're meant to have an eternal connection with. What a crock. And I can hear the guidance 'well, it's your organisation, you need to change it, not run away'..... 'Chant to change your negativity.....'.
And I've been carefully observing myself, to see if I'd feel low without the org/ activities etc. And you know what? Life has ups and downs. Right now I'm feeling fab, rested, and really well!

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Re: Soka Gakkai International -- SGI
Date: July 19, 2018 12:34AM

"SUA. For a school with less than two thousand students"

The actual student body size is only around 450, though the stated goal was to have 1,200 students total. SUA has been open for, what, 16 years now, and STILL isn't able to meet its own goals, despite its BILLION DOLLAR endowment??


Also, a high proportion of its graduates go on to master's degree programs elsewhere; this is what you do when you realize you have a worthless credential. If you could graduate and walk right into a good-paying job, you'd do that! But getting a valid master's on top of that worthless credential is what you do when you can't.

SUA states that it gives out lots of financial aid, but this is typically just a few hundred dollars, on a tuition amount that is on the high side for private universities. The amount of financial aid they give typically only reduces the amount due to about $500 less than what the other private universities are charging - the families/students remain on the hook for all the rest.

We got a former SUA student here, whose "insider" perspective is extremely valuable: Discussion

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Re: Soka Gakkai International -- SGI
Posted by: lostmyway ()
Date: September 04, 2018 10:48PM

I had to laugh out loud when I saw this, particularly as an ex-SGI-UK member.
Do people really believe Sensei Shorty sends a gift of biscuits or cakes or whatever from Japan the next day after being told there is going to be a meeting?
Spot on with the Buddha/Mentor simile. How great it is to be out of the madness!

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Re: Soka Gakkai International -- SGI
Date: September 12, 2018 01:26PM

"I do have to ask everyone, why are you all demanding that SGI be poor? That's what the message appears to be."

>>Toda Sensei said, 'The Gakkai will eternally advance in poverty.'

>>Ikeda Sensei said, 'As an eternal principle, the Soka Gakkai will never ask for even the tiniest contribution of offering from the members.'

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