One of the first things I did after refusing to submit to the lead shepherd in Salt Lake City, after being admonished in a letter sent to my home by John Miller stating it was necessary to submit in order to remain in the fellowship, was to throw away all the JRS authored literature I had collected and purchased.

I haven’t read any JRS literature since 1985. I quit reading the Bible also until I found this forum about a year ago. The posts on this forum sparked my interest in those biblical verses that run counter to the “Walk Culture.”

I loved many of the people in the fellowship deeply, but that’s what happens when you’re in any group for an extended period. Love can cover many problems, but the suppression, oppression and false doctrine became too much.

Since Jesus ushered in a New Covenant that accepts whosoevers through faith and not merit, why does TLWF require austere submission? Instead of being liberated from “works of merit,” TLWF turns “works of submission” into a requirement for acceptance.

It’s a free country, if they want to keep all 613 commandments perfectly in order to earn God’s blessing, it’s their choice. Thank God there are other/better ways for each of us to choose. It’s too bad “all the choices” are not disclosed, but there it is----------the problem with cults.

There are a couple of billion other Christians in the world, who to my knowledge do not recognize TLWF or JRS as heaven’s gatekeeper.

Nor recognize Marilyn as the Lamp of Israel

FCSLC Wrote:
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> One of the first things I did after refusing to
> submit to the lead shepherd in Salt Lake City,
> after being admonished in a letter sent to my home
> by John Miller stating it was necessary to submit
> in order to remain in the fellowship, was to throw
> away all the JRS authored literature I had
> collected and purchased.
>
> ____________________________________

While in Shiloh during the days of the hate speech directed at Martha Stevens, I met a young woman from Iowa who set fire to all her husband's"This Weeks." I know Booyah! Of course, John separated them shortly thereafter. FCSLC thanks for sharing 'bout reading the Bible again. I must say my spirit was lifted. Wasn't the SLC church the one that Gary went in and removed everyone, the entire church in one big swoop?

Thats the thing. When we are scared, our minds and guts go primative.

We are human, not robots. That is why they often send robots into situations where bombs might be encountered.

When suddenly shocked, and feeling attacked and imprisoned, we can't think.

In that kind of shock, even the most intelligent of us will revert to
panicked small child mode. And in that kind of situation, we are like a
drowning person who will grab anything for stablity -- and that increases
likelihood that we look to the attacker for information and orientation.

We look to the attacker to find out why, why why -- and what we are to do
to end this horrible situation as quickly as possible.

One has to have lots of special training (military, police, paramedic, etc) to be able to stay grounded in a sudden crisis situation.

And if we have come to love and trust a fellowship, we are not prepared for
this kind of treatment.

And this is the point. Being ambushed in a context of trust.

Who expects this kind of treatment in and from a church????

This is perhaps slightly analogous to the shock felt by many who are
subjected to a sudden shift from love into violence.

Look at how few of us are able to get away immediately from a dating situation or a marriage in which a seemingly adoring partner suddenly turns violent.

Because of the prior context of love and trust, we dont have a 'frame' to make sense of a sudden shift into coercion.

And that is what makes this 'blitz' situation so effective for controlling people.

In the military, and in police work, you are taught to expect attack -- and that
seemingly harmless friendly persons are not to be trusted.

But we go to church to get away from this sort of thing, not be subjected to it.

What happened to "My yoke is easy, and my burden light?"

Very well said corboy.
Marilyn Palmer

And its really a drag when that elder that is your trusted "designated relationship" decides that you need to submit to him sexually.

paleface Wrote:
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> And its really a drag when that elder that is your
> trusted "designated relationship" decides that you
> need to submit to him sexually.

That never happened to me. But then again, I've never had big breasts.

corboy Wrote:
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>
>
> And this is the point. Being ambushed in a context
> of trust.
>
> Who expects this kind of treatment in and from a
> church????
>
> Because of the prior context of love and trust, we
> dont have a 'frame' to make sense of a sudden
> shift into coercion.
>
> What happened to "My yoke is easy, and my burden
> light?"
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So true. Before I was able to make the choice to leave I kept crying out you said your yoke is easy and burden light. I couldn't breathe; I was suffocating. Then one day I could see, Christ's yoke is easy and burden light but the CLW yoke and burden was not. Period. That was now my frame of reference to make my exit plans.

changedagain Wrote:
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> paleface Wrote:
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> -----
> > And its really a drag when that elder that is
> your
> > trusted "designated relationship" decides that
> you
> > need to submit to him sexually.
>
> That never happened to me. But then again, I've
> never had big breasts.

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You know there are plastic surgeons who can help you with that.

lily rose wrote in part: Christ's yoke is easy and burden light but the CLW yoke and burden was not. Period.

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Galatians 3:10 in part ---- for as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse.

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TLWF is under the curse ------- the “law” of submission has bewitched them.

Just thinking about it carries the vibration of the “black hole of all black holes.”