kBOY Wrote:
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> * * * F E A T * * *
>
> This forum should allow us to have our feet in two
> different worlds; the one we left and the one we
> are currently in. We should find encouragement in
> the fact that we did take a step out of a
> confusing past and into a day with more clarity.
> That is no small feat.
>
>
Yep KBoy it is no small feat. Sometimes I have to do a doubletake when I realize that some random dark thoughts are not reality. The light went on but there are times when I jump back in to the darkness. It is a lot of work to become something other than the worthless person I was in the walk--I forget that each day is new and I am not living that nightmare anymore. I have other nightmares---but that one is behind me-- though I step in a pile now and then.

GSchaeff Wrote:
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> Today is a good day.
>
> I have located the Factnet.org forum in its
> entirety:
>
> [web.archive.org]
>
> If you can't find it via the link, you need to
> start an account at archive.org. Type in the URL
> "factnet.org" there, and select a time before
> 2015. It takes a long time to load but it's there
> in all its glory-- including all the bickering and
> name-calling from current TLW members.
>
> I also found a strange coincidence on archive.org
> when searching for "John Robert Stevens:"
> The late, great gospel singer, Ethel Waters has an
> old vinyl uploaded. You can view it here:
> [archive.org]
>
> Two things jumped out at me. The description said
> that "Dr. John Robert Stevens" provided a message
> on the album cover. Also, look up at the top
> right. "The WORD Productions" It even has the same
> sword through a bible imprint that TLW borrowed.
> What a coincidence! The record company was also
> based in Waco, TX, I found that a little amusing.
>
> I don't want to take away from your posts, Onion
> and Puddington. That's a really important topic,
> especially the part about 'the vault' likely being
> created to secure documents about the various
> trusts. According to my source, "It's been rumored
> that Gary and Rick cleared out the contents of
> those safes in the early 00's in the weeks after
> one particular summer camp. The 'vaults' were
> likely in what is now the finance department, as
> well as a few storage rooms near service tunnel in
> the basement. Much of that has been shredded. It's
> doubtful anything remains at Shiloh on the gold
> mine. Those rooms are dedicated to Shiloh U now."
>
> I'm sure Shiloh U has plenty of paperwork worth
> securing and eventually shredding in the basement
> as well!
>
> Well my coffee is finished, time to go fight the
> 405 commute.

Okay I'm dumb---can't seem to access this--a very important find

GoingRogue Wrote:
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> Yes, very unethical. Here is more proof that JRS
> did, in fact, use the PhD title in the early days.
>
> Another link to the Ethel Waters vinyl. Click on
> "More Images" to view the back of the album where
> "Dr." John Robert Stevens wrote the program notes
> and to get a better view of the logo.
> [www.discogs.com]
>
> Here's a link to find out more about Paul
> Mickelson, especially the following quote:
>
> In 1957, he said goodbye to the Billy Graham
> Ministries and focused on his last album for RCA:
> "The Music Of Paul Mickelson: Orchestra With
> Singing Strings". In 1958, he became
> vice-president and music director at Word Records,
> where he orchestrated albums for many Christian
> artists in addition to producing several
> instrumental albums of his own.
> [christmasyuleblog.blogspot.com]

Holy shit he copied that logo--just a variation--Jesus didn't reveal it to him. Yikes. WTF

GoingRogue Wrote:
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> A little more gruff sounding from the Shiloh
> website. Does anyone know why they're stopping the
> public show?
>
> Could the LW be turning inward again? Or is it
> just due to financial priorities?
>
>
> [www.shilohiowa.org]


They are going to spend less and less on the congregants. I suspect things will be wrapping up if tithes and contributions are that low. No way would G man nor RH would reach in to their own pocket for these people--that's for sure. So it has to be lower contributions I would imagine--just my opinion.

GoingRogue Wrote:
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> Oh boy! Repentance, disobedience, judgment and
> Kingdom, to name but a few topics covered in the
> first SOP message. Plus, the temperature is 99
> with 89% humidity. (With a side of flies and way
> too many people.) How would you like to be stuck
> in Shiloh right now?
>
> [garyhargrave.com]


Makes me want to vomit.

Onion Wrote:
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> The fishing lures are set with hidden hooks. The
> "true meaning" of the miserable experience is laid
> out while there is no time to ask reasonable
> questions or consider another way. The
> (purportedly) only door of salvation is creaking
> open. No time to think. The ability for detailed
> reasoning is suspended. The fervor of the crowd
> is amped up and ready to explode. The big show
> will provide a release just in time to confirm "I
> belong here and nowhere else."


Well said. Well said.

GoingRogue Wrote:
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> What a brilliant kid, GSchaeff! Too smart to last
> long in a cult, I would imagine.
>
> BTW, this just in: [garyhargrave.com]


Oh Shit. I thought this be never really analyzed it as it played over and over. An emotional roller coaster---just evil as far as I am concerned. I hope that kid is A Okay. Smart fellow. To have innocence crushed that way--what a dirty deal our families got--dirty deal. G Man is an insecure, neurotic little dictator who would crumble if he really knew the truth about what a little wimp he is.

changedagain Wrote:
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> The truth about the nefarious ways of TLWF
> leadership through the years is surfacing, causing
> quite the reaction. Here's an excerpt from the
> latest 'living word' emanating from Shiloh. It's
> the same twisting of reality, but the
> warnings/threats to the people to stay
> obedient is as intense as ever. People
> attempting to get free from the clutches of the
> cult can be an ugly, dangerous process--as many of
> us here know:
>
> "This Word shows us that as we move out of a place
> of relative safety in our walk with God and into
> harm’s way, our obedience to the Father will
> determine life or death. We will face lies
> about the Word of God and against the Father
> Himself which will attempt to deceive us into
> being disobedient and losing God’s
> protection."
> "Our Survival Is Based On Obedience"
> June 29, 2018 - by Gary Hargrave

I am really concerned about this. He is headed in a direction that could very well bring devastating harm to people who have faithfully followed--when he tells them they have failed and fallen out of favor with God and God will now be raising up people in Brazil to replace them. He will not do this gently. When M's funeral was held in Shiloh--I truly feared a Jonestown--but it would be too obvious. People can be isolated and if the disappear of the face of the earth it will be an isolated "collateral damage" kind of thing. This is dead serious. I hope I am not just being nutty. But I can't imagine the level of depression setting in on people right now--the fear -- and the weariness. Just sayin'. Hope I am wrong.

puddington Wrote:
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> In this recent message about obedience, Gary
> sounds an awful lot like Jim Jones. Which begs
> the question, do you think Gary is capable of
> enacting a Jonestown style event in the LWF?

Yes I do but it will be in isolated incidents. I think anyway. So it won't be blamed on the church but on the own person's depression or whatever. He is a snake--evil to the core.

puddington Wrote:
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> I suspect you’re correct. Gary wouldn’t want to
> kill off his cash cow.

Those cash cows are in the process of retiring. There are not enough of the Godly seen or their children to sustain things. He will find a way to get rid of all of them when he's done--but without reflecting on himself.