changedagain Wrote:
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> GSchaeff Wrote:
>
> >
> > In a way, this extends to Marilyn.
> > Even if Marilyn went on to exploit congregants
> > herself, she began as his secretary. I've seen
> a
> > lot of theories about how she used her job as
> > secretary to slither up and manipulate JRS.
> That's
> > complete bullshit to me. JRS has a personal
> > responsibility not to sleep with his secretary,
> > simple as that. This isn't original sin--it's a
> > rich CEO sleeping with someone he has a whole
> lot
> > of power over.
> > Finally, as with any CEO, if JRS had an affair
> > with his secretary-- which we know to be
> > true--it's very unlikely it stopped there.
>
> She certainly was exploited. On the other hand,
> once she assumed power, I experienced first-hand
> her vicious, take no prisoners approach to
> wielding authority. Besides calling me a piss ant,
> and then at a later time instructing my wife to
> "kill me" during the whole 'end the male spirit'
> phase of TLWF, made be a bit jaded to the notion
> of unchecked authority--male or female. I suppose
> if I didn't have a tendency to make cutting
> comments about the hypocrisy of TLWF leadership
> (that got back to her), I could have been spared
> some of this. Oh well.


And this is the woman who relieved not one, but 2 women of their husbands--not to mention a little baby girl was left fatherless --sacrificed at the altar of M. Victim? I don't think so. Wicked is the only word that comes to mind.

GoingRogue Wrote:
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> The Garies are in Brazil...and they're still
> hammering on Obedience.
>
> [garyhargrave.com]

It won't happen, but I still hold on to the faintest hope that Gary would start serving God and leave everyone else in the fellowship alone. Unfortunately, power-driven people such as G find no satisfaction in simply doing the right thing. Just walking with God without fanfare won't do it. They must have complete control over others, and be perceived as someone of great importance--all in a futile attempt to satiate their malevolent ego. It's a never-ending pursuit. It creates so much unnecessary suffering, especially for those who are subjected to this "ministry."

p.s. obedience, obedience, obedience

Maybe Gary will build a lavish mansion in Brasil. On this secluded island:

[www.atlasobscura.com]

puddington Wrote:
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> Maybe Gary will build a lavish mansion in Brasil.
> On this secluded island:
>
> [www.atlasobscura.com]

I wonder if he could get all the other snakes to submit to him. That would be one heckuva challenge!
"Obey Snake. Your survival depends on it!"
Hiss...

changedagain Wrote:
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> puddington Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------------
> > Maybe Gary will build a lavish mansion in
> Brasil.
> > On this secluded island:
> >
> >
> [www.atlasobscura.com]
>
> I wonder if he could get all the other snakes to
> submit to him. That would be one heckuva
> challenge!
> "Obey Snake. Your survival depends on it!"
> Hiss...

Lol! I think see snake handling in the Garies' future.



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Below is an excerpt from an article by Rick Ross regarding Scientology's efforts to use information control on their members. It looks like they actually market a device that controls what web-based info their devotees can see!

In the LW, members were taught to self-limit their information. One of the first things I was taught, "Do not drink from many fountains." In other words, you should not gather and analyze information from various sources on your own. You will always be too immature. We will spoon feed you the information that you need to know, and we will also tell you what to think about it. Your job is to spout it back to us and others.

[culteducation.com]

"The most basic feature of the thought reform environment, the psychological current upon which all else depends, is the control of human communication [e.g. information]. Through this milieu control the totalist environment seeks to establish domain over not only the individual's communication with the outside (all that he sees and hears, reads or writes, experiences, and expresses). It creates an atmosphere uncomfortably reminiscent of George Orwell's 1984.

They [e.g. Scientology?] look upon milieu control as a just and necessary policy, one which need not be kept secret. At the center of this self-justification is their assumption of omniscience, their conviction that reality is their exclusive possession. Having experienced the impact of what they consider to be an ultimate truth (and having the need to dispel any possible inner doubts of their own), they consider it their duty to create an environment containing no more and no less than this "truth." In order to be the engineers of the human soul, they must first bring it under full observational control".

Onion Wrote:
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> The "duping" had layers. First was Stevens duping
> the girl. Then it was Stevens and the girl duping
> the guy who married her. Twenty years later when
> the duping was exposed to the duped husband and
> thereafter he and the Hargraves keeping the secret
> and thus duping the entire church and public. And
> the Hargraves thereby duping the guy again because
> in my opinion the only purpose was protecting the
> position of their no-talent offspring.
>
> This isn't about a human nature mistake by having
> a love affair, this is well thought out, carefully
> planned ongoing intentiona acts of duping or, as
> in my opinion, intentional fraud.

Yep. Call it what it is.

Cloudwatcher...
JRS, J&M, G&M, MH, GH, take your pick. They are a bunch ego-centric bad actors motivated by greed and power, for sure. I remember a story that Martha once asked John, "Are you feeling a little more divine today?" The faithful were very incensed at the time. Now it seems funny.



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GSchaeff Wrote:
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>
> In that reality, the same
> text can have a widely different personal impact
> on two people. It can be light and inspirational
> for one while simultaneously humiliating and
> destructive to another as they associate an
> entirely foreign set of memories with that text
> than the person in my first example would.
>

That in a nutshell and the very reason my marriage broke up when I left. I was so sick from listening to it I wanted to die.

rrmoderator Wrote:
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> To whom it may concern,
>
> This thread has been up and running for a long
> time and it has helped many people.
>
> Trolling is against the rules of this board and
> trolls will be banned.
>
> Anyone who is trying to cause arguments and
> agitate on this thread is a troll and attempting
> to troll this thread.
>
> If you are constantly arguing with people on this
> thread maybe it's time to move on. This thread is
> not a place to constantly argue with others
> posting here.
>
> Again, the purpose of this thread to discuss the
> Living Word Fellowship and John Robert Stevens.

The younger ones who are now joining the conversation --we need to be here for them This conflict is actually pretty rare on this board--maybe it's the heat or maybe we read things that trigger old reactions--I dunno--let's just do this guys. Love you all.

Cloud