Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: February 13, 2020 01:51AM

No Popcorn For You
A Living Word by John Robert Stevens
In this message believers are encouraged to endure life's setbacks with a right spirit, which will open the door to God's unlimited blessings, including unlimited popcorn.
/s



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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: kBOY ()
Date: February 13, 2020 07:01AM

C H A N G E D

Once again we have anecdotal evidence from NANCYb that JRS made no effort to walk in his own 'weird'.

Nothing new under the sun. (Scriptural reference needed.)

Pass the popcorn.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: NancyB ()
Date: February 13, 2020 10:15AM

Hey, all you rabble-rouser who left the insanity.

I see I did not word that quite right. I get stressed when telling this sh*t and type worse... I have to fix my words in my above post.

I was sleep-deprived for months before I got sent to Shiloh. I was exhausted. How much wisdom is there to have a father-in-law push my husband and I to go to Shiloh when I needed to be home sleeping and my kids in bed? There was no empathy. I think it was all about his looking good as a spiritual father pushing 'submission" and obedience".

I overslept at Shiloh. I was very weak. (It turns out that I have some rare syndromes that needed treatment. I got B complex injections.)started at that time. My brain was exhausted as was my body. I was not healthy at all. I did need help. I was a mess. But was Shiloh the right place for me? NO!

I have no idea how many weeks I slept at Shiloh before I got popcorn duty. My meds were given by the nurses of someone else. I had no access. I don't think there was a trust problem there- kept my meds in a safe place. tho' I am not so sure the nurses had any legal authority to practice their skills without dr supervision. I had no contract with these lovely women to care for me. I did not give me content to be under the care of anyone at Shiloh. It was arranged by my father-in-law.

My parents came out to get me out of there- I don't know why I did not leave with them except they were also too controlling. it was confusing to me.

My meds were dr prescribed meds which I was supposed to have follow-up appointments for. That is normal for psych meds. That did not happen because I had no way to see the dr nor anyone to drive me. Leaders did not want me to go. I had no idea how long I was there.

I do recall that by fall I was in Anaheim. My -almost 5-year-old, then, was put on a bus that took him somewhere North to Kingdom school. I wanted him to go to HeadStart a few blocks away from the apartment we finally got. I still did not have access to a calendar nor a phone. No refrigerator fora while. No way to get groceries. I had no money anyway. (God gave the word to dump a family in CA with almost nothing?)

My husband was gone to Kingdom business. He got our son off the bus. ( My son started doing and saying things that were not OK. My daughter also was doing some off things.)

I had no RX for my meds.No way to get refilled. So all I could do was go cold turkey off meds - not safe. My sleep was messed up. Again, I should have had medical care but I was not allowed to- no phone, no car not a single luxury like Gilligan. You all know the same story...

I was gaslighted. I did have one caring new friend who checked up on me. Then I started babysitting other people's kids in Anaheim after the Bro recommended me.

Now here is the plot twist ...
...months later after we got sent to Anaheim...

In Iowa The Walk leaders and hubby claimed I was "crazy," or whatever"spirit" I allegedly had. But, when they wanted something of me I was recommended. I got paid and enjoyed the children to have to play with my kids. But, still, I was isolated now in my home....then more and more kids that I did not know were getting dropped off at my front door to watch.

"Kboy, you wrote" psychological 'gulag' rather than getting a taste of the 'pure atmosphere..."

I honestly do not know what to call the taking away my own power and control. Brains don't work when sleep-deprived and then on new meds. I had been taught to be compliant. to be obedient to god's word. To submit to authority.

I was not mistreated.

I WAS there against my will against medical advice.

One thing was that I needed thyroid medication and blood levels drawn and B vitamin injections. Preachers and elders not allowing me access because god or some fantom spirit told them is still practicing medicine without a license. I believe that there had to be many more people who should have had medical care but did not get it....except for RH.

I do recall Jody and Mary Anne concerned about RH taking too many Tylenol for his headache. Finally, someone convinced his mother to get him to the U of I H & C. He had meningitis. That could have been contagious to the whole center of the universe. I have no idea how M and JRS kept public health out of the Shiloh on that one.

- Public health (I've said before) was already investigating some families including preventable injuries of children which I may still be bound under confidentially. I already confidentially knew the Public health wanted to shut down Shiloh.

I am surprised that my job supervisor did not call authorities to check on me. I do know that she drove around trying to find as no one could reach me. I had disappeared. She finally went out to Shiloh. My husband or in-laws should have called my work about when I would or would not get back to work. Hubby did not call my parents either. I could not make long-distance phone calls even if I had access to a phone then. Fortunately, my doctor who sent me to Iowa City was also a co-worker. He at first knew where I was.

Sorry, I wrote another verbose post- thisis nuts , Isn't it?



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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: kBOY ()
Date: February 13, 2020 10:56AM

N A N C Y b

"God gave the word to dump a family in CA with almost nothing? I still did not have access to a calendar nor a phone. No refrigerator for a while. No way to get groceries. I had no money anyway. I had no RX for my meds. No way to get refilled. No way to get refilled. My sleep was messed up. I should have had medical care but I was not allowed to- no phone, no car. I was gaslighted."

Unbelievable.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: February 14, 2020 03:26AM

kBOY Wrote:
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> N A N C Y b
>
> "God gave the word to dump a family in CA with
> almost nothing? I still did not have access to a
> calendar nor a phone. No refrigerator for a while.
> No way to get groceries. I had no money anyway. I
> had no RX for my meds. No way to get refilled. No
> way to get refilled. My sleep was messed up. I
> should have had medical care but I was not allowed
> to- no phone, no car. I was gaslighted."

>
> Unbelievable.

Beyond sick.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: February 14, 2020 03:32AM

Post by Richard M. (Marilyn's first husband & father to Rick). This followed by a post by that little red flag:

Posted by: Richard M.
Date: February 19, 2019 05:33PM


Reepicheep, thanks. I knew Stevens was a phony when I first saw and met him. He wouldn't look at me eye-to-eye and seemed even a little frightened of me. Of course, it later made more sense. But if there hadn't been Marilyn and my kids tied to her, he never would have survived to stand at another sermon . . . But I had my own future and two kids’ lives to consider so abdicated to a lesser course. Absent any formal complaint of coerced sexual or other criminal misconduct, "religious freedom" protects the otherwise guilty until far too late .. . . . You know of Jim Jones and his murder-suicide of his followers, but hardly anyone knows that long before that he had been arrested in a movie theater for lewd conduct by a Rampart Division vice officer. It had been politically attempted to be covered up by a judge and other officials by destroying or pulling all documents, but the arresting officer had kept his own copy of the arrest report. It was made public again after the murders. I know, I forwarded a copy of the only surviving document to the Chief of Police. I say this because it’s also possible that credible and formal complaints of coercion and sexual abuse of minors had long been made on Stevens and Rick that were, or were not, properly investigated . . . who knows?


Posted by: that little red flag
Date: February 19, 2019 06:18PM


Richard M. -

Wow. Thank you for sharing. I, like others that have spent decades living this lie, appreciate your insight and honesty. I remarked to my husband, as I started to read your story, how easy it was to assume and believe that you were the bad guy. I can also feel the heartache of hearing you acknowledge losing a wife and kids to all of the deceit. I'm sure some of the posts here are hard to read, but on the other hand, I can only imagine how validating they are for you. It sounds like you lived a life worth living beyond all of this. Welcome to the forum, and thanks again for giving us additional insight to the maze of the Living Word Fellowship Cult.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: kBOY ()
Date: February 14, 2020 05:18AM

C H A N G E D

"Absent any formal complaint of coerced sexual or other criminal misconduct, 'religious freedom' protects the otherwise guilty until far too late."
That's definitely an unfortunate paradigm, with the results causing widespread damage.

". . . it’s also possible that credible and formal complaints of coercion and sexual abuse of minors had long been made on Stevens and Rick that were, or were not, properly investigated ."
Knowing how well JRS managed 'covert operations' makes this all the more plausible now.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: February 15, 2020 12:59AM

kBOY Wrote:

> Knowing how well JRS managed 'covert operations'
> makes this all the more plausible now.

There is no more appropriate place to have a one-on-one Bible study than a Van Nuys' motel room.
-Kingdom Proverb
/s

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: kBOY ()
Date: February 15, 2020 05:27AM

C H A N G E D

What better place to 'wait on God' than a remote motel room?

Don't forget all those Holy Jim Canyon junkets with the 'administrative assistant' along to transcribe the 'weird' as it came.

Preserving the weird was of the utmost importance.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: February 15, 2020 06:36AM

Post by 'Saw Enough' from September of 2018:

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: Saw enough
Date: September 28, 2018 01:21PM


In December 1972 Brother Stevens disappeared for an entire day and a few days later he went to the Valley Church and claimed that he'd been caught up in the spirit and taken 7 years into the future where he saw the Kingdom. As he explained his vision and his sense of losing all track of time that day, some of the young prophets speculated about black holes and time warps in the spirit where time did not matter. That vision of the Kingdom became the basis for a lot of the preaching for the next 7 years.

Many people and churches dedicated their lives and their survival planning and their life decisions around that 7-year date and the revelation that John was the apostle to the Kingdom. Twenty years later a woman from the Valley church got word to Gary and Marilyn that she had been with John on that December 12th in 1972. A lot of people around the Living Word building gossiped about the story, but nobody said or perhaps knows if John actually had his vision that day or if he was just with someone not his wife for the day. Aimee McPherson once disappeared mysteriously and later claimed that she'd been kidnapped and taken to Mexico or somewhere -- it's not that uncommon for ministers to try to cover their tracks.

It's like a Mormon hearing that Joseph Smith hadn't really found magic tablets and translated a new version of the Bible for latter day saints. How do you say, okay maybe that didn't happen but the rest of our church is still the true church of the end time. Joseph Smith's vision was not confirmed by others and John's claims were not really confirmed by others -- he was the leader and knowing that he had a special insight into the Kingdom was a draw.

Nothing about this disclosure was mentioned to the churches -- other than a few veiled words about how John's real problem was disobedience -- and not giving himself enough to Marilyn. (Another warning for people to shape up and get with the program.) Gary warned cryptically that things might be coming down that would shake people's loyalty but it would only be proof that they never had a revelation.

One of Rick's escapades also surfaced sometime in the 90s but he was not the only thing that was wrong in the fellowship. Going back to the 70s there were dozens of accounts of financial and sexual abuse by the pastors of many of the large churches, along with mistreatment of the people. After Gary & Marilyn took over, there was still large scale psychological abuse and reckless shepherding that left a lot of casualties. Marilyn had anger issues and would often lash out violently at those she felt were violating her spirit or offending her. This was interpreted as how the Lord felt about those people, especially since she was being promoted as the Lord in the earth and there was no "God in the sky" or "God in your brain" that you could trust. Submission to her as Christ in the flesh was the order of the day.

For every young person who came forth as a talented and accomplished adult, there were many more who were cast aside or labeled or discarded. Amazingly, Gary Hargrave has continued to promote John's vision as the plumbline for the fellowship even after he knew the background. (He might know something that no one else knows.)

Maybe the fellowship is in its death throes and is winding down due to dwindling membership, an aging congregation and the urgent need for finances to support the many facilities on an annual basis. It is also harder to isolate people from the world around them since they have so much access to what's going on outside the church walls. The messages follow the same pattern of Feasts and winter months and Purims to celebrate Marilyn and Passovers to leave Egypt and summer camps to be the prophets who rule the nations, along with reaching out to other churches and groups. But while the messages may be getting more orthodox in their delivery, their claims about how they are changing the whole earth are -- who knows?

For sure there is a crisis of confidence and trust -- similar to the Catholic church where the highest leaders are saying "We had no idea of the extent of the corruption in our midst." But the corruption was institutionalized through the years -- which is why it's kept repeating itself.

It's possible that the whole movement has just run its course and the world is waiting for others who can find a way to make a difference without hurting so many people in the process. They might not even come out of the Christian world

We've still been given a precious opening to move on. The past abuses were painful and for sure left scars but it doesn't mean some of your best days are not still ahead of you, not behind you.

The name I chose for this forum is Saw enough -- I don't want to focus on the past that much and I'm no expert with an inside track but I saw enough to feel that it is better to be out of there than in there.

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