Cloudwatcher Wrote:
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> LampShmamp Wrote:
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> > I believe that the assumption that we need
> > periodic updates regarding the number of page
> > views to date is incorrect. Just saying.
>
> I completely disagree,Lamp. I am glad that
> Changedagain has kept track of page views. It is
> good to keep tabs on what is happening outside of
> this forum. The words we write are being seen by
> readers even though many are not on this forum,
> some are curious, some are conflicted. The page
> views have increased a lot over the past year or
> so. I derive meaning from that.


I'm going to bake both Lampshamp and Cloudwatcher a cake. I have mixed feelings about rainman.


kbyrne I remember a Barbara who surfed. I recall JRS arranged a marriage for her and a guy from Maui. I learned from someone on the forum that the marriage didn't last. But I don't know if she is still in. I can't remember Shannon or Mary's last names. But Mary married a guy from Iowa whose name I think was Dan. I didn't know Wendy very well except one time at Southgate I recall her sharing her story about how desperate her life was prior to coming into the Walk. I agree with Puddington, you got out at just the right time.

I think David Cokas should consider starting an online church. I know that fellowship on line isn't as satisfying as in person but it's something.

Welcome Rond. Thanks for sharing about meeting up with Donna and that she was doing fine.



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Cloudwatcher Wrote:
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> NickleandDimed Wrote:
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> > Changedagain,
> >
> > Gary IMO advanced quicker than his peers not
> > because he was more dedicated or submissive. He
> > had a greater ability to preach. Those instant
> > pastors and their home groups Lily mentioned
> when
> > the LW was growing had to tithe to John. Money
> > came in during those years.
>
>
> I wondered why it seemed everyone was a pastor. I
> don't think the tithes went to John unless they
> wanted it to. But I can see that it was a setup
> that was not lost on M and then began the upward
> flow. G and M are the ones who really cashed in on
> that--I mean serious $$$$$.

If those newly planted churches were listed in the LW roster and subscribed to John as their apostle, I think they had to tithe to the LW coffers. Don't ever think it was an option. Some of those new churches. That sprung up may have had shepherd overseers. Not pastors but they had the authority. I was in one those churches. Cloudwatcher, I agree with you. G&M exploited the set up and cashed in.

Meanwhile, until the people here decide whether they want periodic updates regarding page views, I'll take this opportunity to share other stats that I have been holding back until now. How about this:
99.6% of the people that have written in this forum have refused to have their heart circumcised. Two people, who wish to remain anonymous, had the procedure done as a result of a surgery mix-up. One was supposed to undergo a hernia repair, the other
rhinoplasty.
Hey--it's Sunday afternoon. This is the best I can do :)

NickleandDimed Wrote:
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> kbyrne, Gary did said to the congregation that he
> didn't divorce Donna to marry Marilyn. What I
> heard. Could have come from a rumor mill. It was
> from someone on the inside. Puddington referenced
> experiencing the LW's unequal yoke doctrine. As
> cynical as is sounds, there were ministries who
> used the LW unequal yoke doctrine to get younger
> wives. The original marriage check outs or if God
> had spoken over the marriage was ignored.


"As cynical as is sounds, there were ministries who
used the LW unequal yoke doctrine to get younger
wives."

That was my take on it too, but With Gary that would not have been the case.
My wife and I got married by John and we are still together.

NickleandDimed Wrote:
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> Cloudwatcher Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > NickleandDimed Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Changedagain,
> > >
> > > Gary IMO advanced quicker than his peers not
> > > because he was more dedicated or submissive.
> He
> > > had a greater ability to preach. Those
> instant
> > > pastors and their home groups Lily mentioned
> > when
> > > the LW was growing had to tithe to John.
> Money
> > > came in during those years.
> >
> >
> > I wondered why it seemed everyone was a pastor.
> I
> > don't think the tithes went to John unless they
> > wanted it to. But I can see that it was a setup
> > that was not lost on M and then began the
> upward
> > flow. G and M are the ones who really cashed in
> on
> > that--I mean serious $$$$$.
>
> If those newly planted churches were listed in the
> LW roster and subscribed to John as their apostle,
> I think they had to tithe to the LW coffers. Don't
> ever think it was an option. Some of those new
> churches. That sprung up may have had shepherd
> overseers. Not pastors but they had the authority.
> I was in one those churches. Cloudwatcher, I agree
> with you. G&M exploited the set up and cashed in.


My This Weeks say otherwise about the pastors. I know things changed in the late 70's to early 80's. That's when some of the churches left and there were more of what you are talking about.

kbyrne Wrote:
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> CORRECTIONS -- I mean Numerical Order....


I don't know how people fell for that. That was never to be, at least my understanding of what we were taught. Now who's number 1? I know who it should be, but it sure as hell isn't man or woman.

changedagain Wrote:
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> Meanwhile, until the people here decide whether
> they want periodic updates regarding page views,
> I'll take this opportunity to share other stats
> that I have been holding back until now. How
> about this:
> 99.6% of the people that have written in this
> forum have refused to have their heart
> circumcised. Two people, who wish to remain
> anonymous, had the procedure done as a result of a
> surgery mix-up. One was supposed to undergo a
> hernia repair, the other
> rhinoplasty.
> Hey--it's Sunday afternoon. This is the best I
> can do :)


I say do what you want, and Lamp can say what he wants. :)

changedagain:

Heart Circumcision:

Have they since translated like Enoch? They deserve to be translated according to TLWF principles, or is that still not enough? Former designated shepherd would likely say, “Still not enough”.

SouthGate wrote: “I say do what you want.”

If only you had been my designated shepherd back in the day!!

NickleandDimed Wrote:
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> Changedagain,
> Those instant pastors and their home groups Lily mentioned when
> the LW was growing had to tithe to John. Money
> came in during those years.

BTW, Even today it would be interesting to note where the proceeds of the sale of certain churches would go--into what accounts, controlled by _______?
Of course, simply presenting questions along these lines positions me on the dark side, according to TLWF thinking. But just like I think Tr***p has a moral/legal duty to be transparent about his taxes and potential conflicts of interest, I think people that serve TLWF leaders, and have a history of giving their lives to the church, should have the right to know if any of their leaders are on the take (serving two masters). They shouldn't be shunned/punished for insisting this be so.
I know...this notion is far too idealistic/unrealistic. I still dream (on occasion).

Maybe we could organize a rally with signs and stand outside the CLW church in North Hills. We could demand transparency on where the assets went.

Then again, maybe not. : )