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Posted by: glam ()
Date: April 28, 2005 12:07AM

I just happened to catch the coming attractions for May on the Dr. Phil show, and it seems he's doing a show called "inside a cult" -- he'll be "coaching" former cult members (they didn't mention which cult) to help keep them from returning to their cult! So how odd is this scenario?A disgraced psychologist who uses cultlike tactics himself to "help" people who've left a cult! Amazing.

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Posted by: Toni ()
Date: April 28, 2005 06:17AM

That sounds potentially traumatic to the former 'cult members' on the show. He must be paying them a lot.

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Posted by: Cosmophilospher ()
Date: May 04, 2005 01:59AM

Well, Dr. Phil would believe 100% he is helping these girls, and they would be paid minimum scale, which is about $500 i think.
I just watched this episode, on during "sweeps" of course.

Its interesting that the girls saw Dr Phil on TV and were attracted to him, as he is male authority figure.

But i didn't think the show was too bad. They had Steve Hassan on as the expert.

I did feel sorry for those girls, and the terrible damage done to them.
This Warren Jeffs is a flat out psychopath.

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Coz

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Posted by: glam ()
Date: May 04, 2005 04:41PM

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Its interesting that the girls saw Dr Phil on TV and were attracted to him, as he is male authority figure.

And he no doubt sounds a lot like all other cult leaders, which would explain even more why cult victims are attracted to him.

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They had Steve Hassan on as the expert.

Darn. Sorry I missed it. Did Steve offer to help Dr. Phil out of his own cultic way of thinking and habit of taking advantage of people and offering damaging advice? :roll:

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Posted by: Cosmophilospher ()
Date: May 05, 2005 12:47AM

You could ask Steve himself on his list.
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He just made a couple of statements, and then he is going to treat these girls.

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Posted by: IveGotIt ()
Date: May 09, 2005 01:08AM

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glam
So how odd is this scenario?A disgraced psychologist who uses cultlike tactics himself to "help" people who've left a cult! Amazing.

I once heard him mention Werner Erhard's name in connection with the idea , "There is no reality, only perception."

:shock:
IveGotIt

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Posted by: jsllim ()
Date: June 02, 2005 01:17AM

I don't watch Dr. Phil, but just because Dr. Phil uses psychological tools and methods to make people's lives better doesn't mean he is a cult figure. Maybe you should read what the definitions of destructive cults are and how they differ from other groups and mindsets. They are on the culteducation.com website. Every group or person that offers a way of making life better is not a cult.

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Posted by: rrmoderator ()
Date: June 02, 2005 01:26AM

It is interesting that Dr. Phil may have been involved in large group awareness training though.

Mass marathon training has been largely discredited by mental health professionals.

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Also see [www.culteducation.com]

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Posted by: corboy ()
Date: June 02, 2005 04:46AM

in a book entitled Science and Pseudoscience in Clinical Psychology, edited by Lilienfield, Lynn and Lohr, (Guilford Press, 2003) there's a chapter entitled 'Commercializing Mental Health Issues: Entertainment, Advertising and Psychological Advice' by Nona Wilson.

Dr. Wilson expresses grave concern and states, '..when psychological expertise and services enter the mass market, they become beholden to marketplace values and strategies.'

To get higher Neilson ratings, a televison program will usually try to increase the emotional intensity of its programming. A psychotherapy talk show host will therefore be tempted to generate dramas that excite viewers, but this means creating situations that risk further trauma to the already vulnerable clients, and that will not serve their best interests or safeguard their privacy.

Genuine psychotherapy is usually slow paced, not dramatic at all. And privacy is essential to maintain its integrity.

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Posted by: glam ()
Date: June 02, 2005 04:54AM

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jsllim
I don't watch Dr. Phil, but just because Dr. Phil uses psychological tools and methods to make people's lives better doesn't mean he is a cult figure. Maybe you should read what the definitions of destructive cults are and how they differ from other groups and mindsets. They are on the culteducation.com website. Every group or person that offers a way of making life better is not a cult.

Sounds like you need to do a little reading up on Dr. Phil.

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