Some of what you're saying is pretty valid, like the pushy sales techniques and the marketing of the products and all that... but from my experience TR seminars don't have people submitting to mind control, behavior control, food control, etc. I didn't feel controlled by any of it.
hi there Snoodle, hey, its just my opinion, and like i said, many people say they "love" his stuff, and love to pay him big money, so...whatever, as long as people feel good handing over $65,000.00 a year for the "Platinum Partnership", and many thousands for the other seminars...it ain't for me.
But what i meant more specifically is -
Mind Control - for example, the 10 Day Mental Challenge. Where you try NOT to have a negative thought for 10 days, and if you do, then you have to start all over again. I find this to be obsessive to the extreme, and frankly impossible, and setting the person up for failure. This is one of many such obsessive Thought oriented techniques he uses.
Language Control - Doublespeak stuff, calling Problems-Challenges, and all that stuff. Its gets totally obsessive, and becomes a type of private language in his Groups.
Behavior-Mood Control - obsessing about ones moods, and trying to have "Absolute Control" of ones Emotions and Behaviors, and not having any "negative" emotions over periods of time. Also, in his seminars, putting people into "Peak States" all day long, etc. I believe he has said that we have "absolute control of our emotions", which is not true, in my view, and in the view of mainstream psychology. (we can INFLUENCE our emotions, though). Many times he said openly, that we can LIVE in a "Peak State", (that is a type of very excited energy level) ALL THE TIME. This is absurd in the extreme, in my view. Why does he say it?
If people set UNATTAINABLE GOALS, then they will be perpetually dissatisfied, and then guess what? Dissatisfied people buy more Product and Services. If you feel pretty good about yourself, why would you spend thousands of dollars on a Tony Robbins Ra-Ra Weekend?
Food Control - by this, i merely mean he has a type of "special diet" for people to eat, that is different from what current science recommends. Many cults seem to do this, its another way of having "control" over your people. Thats what i meant. Prescribing a "unique diet" for his people.
But believe me, its my personal opinion that Robbins is practicing countless "mind control" techniques, and Mass Persuasion Techniques. Why are so many people so obsessed with him? His Intellect? NOT!
No, in my view he uses dozens of unconscious persuasion techniques, to get people hooked into his stuff. All the way from Eriksonian Hypnosis, to Social Proof, to super-hardball Sales techniques, and literally many many DOZENS of other powerful techniques.
And if you want to experience ABSOLUTISM, go to his seminar, or webboard for that matter, and ask a Skeptical question about any of his techniques! Try to stand up at a Seminar, and say,
"hey Tony, I think all of this jumping up and down like maniacs is foolish, and all it does is to "condition" people to "feel good" when they look at you, and makes them buy more products. You are just Anchoring people to you, in a very extreme way, so they'll buy more of your stuff".
If one said this, or something like it, it would be received very poorly. Its a ONE WAY COMMUNICATION, from HIM, to the audience. This is another "cultic" method. And all of the Mass Mind chanting and echoing of his questions and phrases..i find the entire thing repugnant.
And he uses some "Free Employees" called CREW at his FOR-PROFIT events, just like some "cultish groups" do. He charges people a small fortune for the weekend, and he can't afford to pay these CREW folks who work all day and night for him?
I could go on forever, so what i am saying, is that if you compare the techniques he uses, to the techniques the so-called Cults use, there seems to be lots of similarities to me!
Tony Robbins is one of the top Influencers and Persuaders in the world, and his specialty is doing it WITHOUT peoples awareness.
And in my view, the VAST majority of his "fans" have no idea of all of the very sophisticated and powerful techniques he uses.
Years ago he used to use an example taken from the "CIA", about how to shatter peoples Identity, by destroying all of their "references" to their current sense of Self, and then rebuilding a new "Identity" by building new references.
Now many "Leaders of Groups" make "claims" of working with the "CIA", the Army, and groups like that. They do that as that makes people think they are like "James Bond", and they have access to "secret knowledge" of these occult spy agencies. (also, the CIA won't confirm or deny if you worked for them!).
These days I see him doing more Unconscious Manipulation/Persuasion/Influence, so most people do NOT notice it. That is the point!
I am not interested in being manipulated in such an extreme way.