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Re: NXIVM and the Dalai Lama
Posted by: Christa ()
Date: October 17, 2010 05:40PM

Wow. Jaw-dropping Vanity Fair article on NXIVM and the Bronfmans. Conde Nast own Vanity Fair, which means every assertion in this piece has been fact-checked into the ground. Did anyone know this was in the works?

WARNING: There's a photo of Raniere lying in bed, legs unclothed. Made me rethink my love of the human body.

From the article:

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What seems clear, from court documents and interviews with ex–nxivm members—and those who have come into conflict with the group and its mysterious guru—is that Sara and Clare Bronfman could be in serious trouble. And yet, despite his wealth and power, their father, at least publicly, appears to be doing nothing to help. According to some family friends and advisers, however, there may be nothing he can do, in part because, some say, he may have been the one who set all this in motion. Sara and Clare, says a friend of theirs, “are not completely brainwashed.… They’re more cognizant than you’d think, given the amount of money involved. I think there are personal reasons regarding the conflict they have with their family that keep them affiliated with nxivm. On some level, I think they feel the affiliation is reinforcing their version of things, in opposition to the opinion of their family. I think all the legal, litigious craziness is all about them trying to win this battle with their father.”


[www.vanityfair.com]

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Re: NXIVM and the Dalai Lama
Posted by: pinkunicorn ()
Date: October 19, 2010 11:17AM

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Christa
WARNING: There's a photo of Raniere lying in bed, legs unclothed. Made me rethink my love of the human body.

With the loss of nearly $70 million dollars of the Bronfman sister's trust fund due gambling in commodities trading, I don't think Vanity Fair could have picked a better picture to expose or embarrass (if he even feels that emotion) Raniere with (holding a book titled "How to Win At Gambling").

Purchase the book here: [www.amazon.com]

Call me crazy, but I don't believe the author of this book will be calling Raniere anytime soon to use as a success story. ;)



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Re: NXIVM and the Dalai Lama
Posted by: bigskeptic ()
Date: October 20, 2010 08:29PM

I just reread the RARB thread. [forums.casa.org]

It is a rare opportunity to read the actual thoughts of some of the nxivm hierarchy. These students sure gave Raniere a run for his money. I'm interested in knowing if any of the posters have continued to follow this ongoing story and what they might think of the current news regarding this controversial group. If you are out there, please post and let us know what you think of nxivm now.

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Re: NXIVM and the Dalai Lama
Posted by: pinkunicorn ()
Date: October 22, 2010 08:23PM

Saratoga blogger posts the "smoking gun", the "ace in the hole":

Raniere Caught On Camera

At around the seven minute mark, Raniere, the leader of NXIVM, says he's had people "killed" for his beliefs.

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Re: NXIVM and the Dalai Lama
Posted by: bigskeptic ()
Date: October 24, 2010 08:34PM

Posted at the saratogaindecline blog last night.

The Rat said...
by the time they read this, I will have gone back to mexico with edgar. i served as their pawn for too long (like jim). i see my responsibiy in the deaths of both kristen's friend in the monistary and ester's friend in AK. He did not kill, I did for him. I put the idea in thier heads. It was suicide, so it could not be linked to me and keith. But we still encouraged it to happen.

At least those who died, had thier lives ended. What will come out in the future will be the young girls (who are now women) who were taken advantage of (how old was Angel, Megan, Michelle, and Rosie). I think if someone looks into Kristen's friend (who was under age) and those other teenagers that worked for CBI they will see that he is a molester. That is what bothers me above all. Murder is one thing, thier lives are over. When you take advantage of girls who work for you and play video games in an emtpy warehouse after hours (Keith knows what I am talking about) that is sick.

If this isn't enough, he did it again with the Fernadez girls. Thier parents trusted you (Pam) with thier care and you (Keith) molested them. What is worse is what you did to their brother. You made him tape tape it all. Not just what happened with the girls, but also what happen with your girlfriends. No young boy should be exposed to that.

I am praying for the day that one of these victims comes forward...as they are innocent. I am guilty and can't. Those in the inner circle will know who wrote this because I will be gone by the time they read it. I thought what I was supporting was humanity...I recently realized it was just the preversion of a sick man.

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Re: NXIVM and the Dalai Lama
Posted by: pinkunicorn ()
Date: October 25, 2010 03:46AM

Yeah, when I read that I was disgusted.

If you go back and read this old Metroland article you'll see some things that are scary "coincidences":

[www.metroland.net]

Selected relevant quotes:

Her suicide note, as reported in Times Union on Feb. 1, 2004, read: “I attended a course called Executive Success Programs . . . based out of Anchorage, AK, and Albany, NY. I was brainwashed and my emotional center of the brain was killed/turned off. I still have feeling in my external skin, but my internal organs are rotting. . . . I am sorry life, I didn’t know I was already dead. May we persist into the future.” Her parents claimed in the article that Snyder had become convinced that she had been responsible for the Columbia shuttle disaster.

“When I read her suicide letter,” Natalie says, “I couldn’t believe Keith was doing this to other people. I only thought he was doing this to me.” As a result of therapy sessions with Raniere and Salzman, Natalie says that she became convinced that she had been responsible for the Nazi Holocaust.

One time, Natalie claims, a group of Espians cornered her in her office. A man in the group said to her, “Close your eyes. Close your eyes and hold out your hands.” She did as she was told and held out her hands, in which he placed a knife.

“And I said, ‘What’s this?’ ”

Natalie says that the man replied: “ ‘You should know, because that’s the knife you killed me with.’ ”


A student might answer, “ ‘I think it is bad, because you are being a coward.’ ” To which a coach might reply: “ ‘I think suicide is not that bad. Because, if you are a bad person, if you are not ‘constructing value,’ if you are ‘destructing value,’ then you should not have a place in the world, and you should be happy to kill yourself.’ ” In this way, she says, a student’s belief system is constantly undermined. Doubt is cast upon opinions, and beliefs are systematically torn down.

“The scary part of the organization,” Natalie says, “is that they have a philosophy, his philosophy . . . called ‘right action’ or ‘wrong action.’ And if he believes that something is ‘right action’ . . . it is OK to do whatever it takes. If you had to kill somebody, and it is for the betterment of the Family, it would be OK.”

Media coverage that can no longer be dismissed as slanted or biased due to Raniere's own words of admission, whether Freudian slip, or not.



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Re: NXIVM and the Dalai Lama
Posted by: sulawesi2010 ()
Date: October 25, 2010 06:42PM

Do you think 'the Rat' is a real poster? Or could it even be a Nxian setting someone up? The inner circle must be keeping a close eye on John's blog...wonder what their 'damage control' plans are involving.

Had anyone on here sent any of their nxian friends or relatives anything from the blog? I sent my friend the story on Gailen, but she didn't believe a word of it.

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Re: NXIVM and the Dalai Lama
Posted by: BeccaF23 ()
Date: October 26, 2010 08:06AM

Rat -

If you are real, then it's not that you 'can't' come forward. It is that you 'won't' bc you are scared. You can run for the rest of your life and perhaps never be caught, but at the end of the day it's still you looking in the mirror, living with your heinous acts and trying to sleep at night, knowing that you helped KR emotionally and physically rape vulnerable girls who just wanted to be loved and accepted. And you assisted KR in doing the same to women who were lesbians, apparently a huge notch in his belt, and then convinced them that suicide was their only way out of the hellish hole they were existing in. You tried to convince yourself you were supporting humanity but you knew you never were. That's how badly you wanted to feel loved and accepted, as well. Were you at the big Clifton Park meeting tonight? If not, I'm sure KR dumped this newest mess right in your lap.

Becca Friedman

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Re: NXIVM and the Dalai Lama
Posted by: sulawesi2010 ()
Date: May 12, 2014 06:27PM

[www.timesunion.com]

"I have completely left NXIVM and New York," says an email message said to have been sent by Kristin M. Keeffe; the email was quoted in court papers filed by New Jersey attorney Peter Skolnik, the lawyer for Rick Ross, leader of an organization called the Cult Education Institute. Ross has been sued by NXIVM, which denies that it is a cult, for publicizing portions of its training program.

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Re: NXIVM and the Dalai Lama
Posted by: cantstandfrauds ()
Date: September 03, 2014 06:23AM

sulawesi2010 Wrote:
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> [www.timesunion.com]
> om-NXIVM-5468731.php
>
> "I have completely left NXIVM and New York," says
> an email message said to have been sent by Kristin
> M. Keeffe; the email was quoted in court papers
> filed by New Jersey attorney Peter Skolnik, the
> lawyer for Rick Ross, leader of an organization
> called the Cult Education Institute. Ross has been
> sued by NXIVM, which denies that it is a cult, for
> publicizing portions of its training program.

I find this article very telling. The article reveals that Kristin Keeffe allegedly writes that the Saratoga district attorney's office is "compromised". Isn't this the same office that seized a John Tighe's computer - a Saratogian blogger and vehement NXIVM critic - after NXIVM alleged that he had "hacked" into their computer systems? Several months later "evidence" of child pornography was found on his computer and he was arrested under charges related to it. In light of these relatively recent revelations, it seems that the smell of raw fish is reeking in the air.

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