All we know is 1) allegations were made on CBS, 2) allegations were later recanted (by BOTH daughters, rather than just one).

What you guys do is demonize a person based on allegations that were recanted. Why?

Yes, I've done the Forum (and many other trainings of a similar nature, talked about on this board). This has nothing to do with the half truths being told here. Elena -you're right - as far as I know, only what I read/heard is the truth - but why not post ALL of what was available rather than just the bad stuff? That's all.

"AntiCultist":

Where is there proof that "BOTH" daughters recanted.

I have never heard that before.

Can you prove this claim?

The wife never recanted anything did she?

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elena
Oh and by the by,

Though he denied "raping" her, he admitted to "having sex" with her, which he characterized as being a "nurturing" experience.



Ellen

omg! I did not know this part of the story. I thought he had simply denied all of it like any criminal does. He denies raping her but confesses to having sex..with his own daughter!? How on earth did he think he was going to downplay having incestuous sexual contact with his own child? NURTURE?? Was this another word he redefined to suit his own sick purposes?
This makes me sicker than I thought possible, about this psycho-maniac.

for clarity, an obvious Landmark promoter has taken the username "AntiCultist" and is posting in this thread started by "The Anticult".
Kinda ironic and deceptive, don't ya think?
but that type of behavior is to be expected.

for clarity, an obvious Landmark promoter has taken the username "AntiCultist" and is posting in this thread started by "The Anticult".
Kinda ironic and deceptive, don't ya think?
but that type of behavior is to be expected.

by the way, of course everyone would hope that Werner Erhard's victims have gotten far away from him, changed their names, or have done whatever they have to do to get out of the public eye, if that's what they want.


But the reality is that Werner Erhard is trying to make a comeback in the USA as we speak, with his goofy "movie" about him, his websites, and everything else. Perhaps as he ages he wants to try to whitewash his ugly legacy with his propaganda.

Barbara Walters asked him why someone who is Jewish would change their name from Rosenberg, to what she called a name that sounded like a Nazi prison camp waiter?
There is no way he did that for the reason's he gave, so he could hide from his family he abandoned. (he is always hiding).
He could have picked a name like "Jones" which makes you 1000x more invisible.


Doesn't it seem more likely that Jack Rosenberg was making a statement about the Holocaust, with the name Werner Erhard? (Werner Heisenberg worked for the Nazi Atom bomb project).
What are Jack Rosenberg real views on the Holocaust?
Why did he select a name that sounds like a "Nazi" name?
What are his real views on facism and Nazism?
Some serious scholars in this area need to look into that carefully.

Does he also think he is above the laws and ethics of mere "lower humans", like the rest of us?
Does he believe he is a Ubermensch, who is above and beyond?
He silly false-theory of "Integrity" is saying that.

Jack Rosenberg is one of the most deceptive people one is ever going to come across in this world. Its no accident he ended up living "on the run" offshore on a boat.
(Why would a Superman be hiding on a boat??)
Some of the worst cult leaders often get to the point near the end of their life where even most civilized countries won't let them in.

He is indeed attempting a 'comeback', not that he ever had a place, or a life situation that he was committed enough to, to come back to.. where ever he existed. He can try a comeback as much as he wants, but nothing will change the reality he mistakenly thought he could leave behind, simply by turning his back on it.

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But the reality is that Werner Erhard is trying to make a comeback in the USA as we speak, with his goofy "movie" about him, his websites, and everything else. Perhaps as he ages he wants to try to whitewash his ugly legacy with his propaganda.

The used car salesman Jack Rosenberg still exists, as does the abusive husband and tyrannical father. That is the identity he supposedly 'broke with', and it is still the identity he has to reckon with, and nothing will erase that reality. It doesn't matter how many of his minions promote his crappy life legacy film, or how many others scramble to paint a rosy mystical picture of this goof, or defend him and the schemes he connived to slip under the umbrella of self-help material. There is no grand reception waiting for this conman, only the harsh reality of the consequences and legacy that ambitions and 'work' like his, create. All the promotional films about his bogus legacy, and his own twisted version of 'transformation', will never erase the truth about him, his life, and his festering self-centered little universe, where greed and hollow self-adoration are all that's left to fill the void.

I have watched his promo videos on youtube, and I must say, there is one video where the vacant cold stare in his eyes gives me the chills...that is what a person becomes when they think, operate, and reason like Werner Erhard/Jack Rosenberg. He can make his comeback, but the world he returns to will not be the one with real people, real truth, or real honor...only the one where he will have his 'clones' on stand-by, ready to jump to his every empty wish and command. All he has to come back to is a small exhausted mob of clones of a con-artist from the 70's, who figured he had the world by the ass because he was able to con/manipulate/deceive so many unsuspecting people. He had their trust by the ass..nothing more and nothing less. It is the gross betrayal, and his abusive handling of that trust, that ensures werner a starkly meaningless comeback.

The sad truth of this conman is that he never believed in things like respect, honor, integrity, or in building on that idealistic 'port in the storm' made up by true friendships and enduring family ties. Now he thinks he's got something to make a comeback for..One cheesy film, and many poorly worded positive reviews, and the same old trolls screaming his praises and defending him on boards like this one..or on YouTube, will not magically create the grandiose welcome he is likely expecting.

To whom it may concern:

"Anticultist" has been banned from this message board.

Performing a Joe Montana Catch

This is the recipe:

If someone is starting to give you bad feelings or make you feel shamed, crabby, etc, instead of going reactive and fighting with the person point by point (which is an energy drain), do an author search on that person.

Anyone of you can do it. Its easy. Very few understand what a resource the search button is on RR.com's message board. But its up in the right hand corner of the window, not too visually salient. It has a small magnifying glass icon next to it.

Here is how to become Joe Montana.

A: Heed your intuition/annoyance if a particular visitor is getting under your hide. Dont react. Get curious.

Transform that annoyance into skilled curiosity.

Become a scholar-warrior.

1) Go to the upper right hand corner of the RR.com message board window.

After opening the search window, scroll down to the 'Author Search' and put the name of the Mystery Visitor into that slot.

2) Next...and this is important, select 'all forums' and 'all dates.' Because visitors sometimes show up on more than one discussion thread and occasionally may behave very differently.

If you notice anything that looks off or inconsistent, PM Mr. Ross.

This works especially well if someone has fewer than 10 to 20 posts. By then there is usually enough information that one can observe trends that indicate whether the person is ready for a community based on open communication and objectivity, or can only cope by defending an ideology that hates objectivity and considers it evidence of personal pathology or evidence of moral failure.



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Its interesting how Jack Rosenberg, switched his name to the german sounding name, Werner Erhard.
He clearly took his first name from the Nobel Prize winning physicist, Werner Heisenberg.
Werner Heisenberg was associated with the Nazi Atom Bomb project.

Heisenberg and the Nazi Atomic Bomb Project [www.ucpress.edu]
Werner Heisenberg: [www.pbs.org]

On top of this, Heisenberg was one of the physicists who got into "philosophy" and wrote books on that in the 1950's, about "uncertainty" and physics and consciousness, etc.

Later on, Jack Rosenberg, Werner Erhard, put up some money to get a few physicists to sit around, so he could try to associate himself with their reputations.
Search Google for:

"werner erhard" physics

So there is a lot of evidence, that Jack Rosenberg, switched his first name to Werner, coming from Werner Heisenberg, who was connected to the Nazi Atom Bomb Project.
He even changed it to "Werner Hans Erhard" [www.culteducation.com]
Notice also how his former last name Rosenberg compares to Heisenberg.
That is not an accident, its by design.

That directly connects to the perversion of the Ubermensch idea that Werner Erhard believes in, and how Werner Erhard completely redefined "morality" so as not to exist, in the Landmark perversion of the idea of "Integrity", as referenced at the beginning of the thread.



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