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Re: Insight centre of Light
Date: May 06, 2019 04:52AM

Hi Ilunga/anyone else reading this.

I see your post was over a month ago and so I think you have already done Turing Point? How are your feelings and what are your thoughts?

I had an extremely positive experience of TP, Joyspring and the Mile and completed all 3 workshops 20 years ago.

Although my experience was amazing it obviously concerns me reading this forum.

I will say that although I have sent a few people on the workshops and they also had a very positive experience, I think it's worth mentioning that in my opinion the workshops are not for everyone.

I have had nearly two decades to ponder since completing them and so I am not on "the high" of those that finish and feel I have an objective approach (or well at least I hope I do). I also volunteered for a few months afterwards on TP as an assistant.

I went on the workshops already in a good place and felt I had nothing to lose. I was not looking for anything and was very satisfied with the way things were already going in my life. For me I think that made the difference.

However I will advise that if you have any mental health issues / suffer from depression / anxiety etc.., that you maybe do NOT go on the workshops. That being said, I have also seen many people with chronic depression do extremely well on the workshops and swear by it.

While the vast majority of participants have a positive experience (over the last 40+ years there must be close to 10,000 people) I am typing here because I am saddened that some people appear to be on "suicide watch" and are now suffering severe mental health issues as a result of the workshops.

The only thing I can advise is to contact a psychologist that is specialized in these types of cases as has already been mentioned by other forum users. Clearly professional therapy is needed immediately.

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Re: Insight centre of Light
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: May 06, 2019 08:28PM

IMO, AsmallBitofGuidance is giving a large amount of invalidation.

WHat about reports that subjects are not told beforehand what will be done to them during the event?

On the previous page Ilunga wrote:



ittle to almost nothing is mentioned about what we would actually be doing in this workshop for more than 10 hours a day 5 days straight.. I later pressed my friend and her partner for some details, but neither of them would say much. All I heard about was the 'anger game' (whatever that is...), but I got the sense that some kind of agreement or something must have been in place prior to justify such secrecy amongst attendees?

All of this together raised a red flag after I gave it some thought, more so I'm not the kind of person to go head in first for anything unless I've done enough research to satisfy and convince myself beforehand.

This makes it impossible for even a psychologically strong adult to make a fully informed decision whether to participate.

Ilunga also writes:


Obviously the actual website for the Insight Training Centre yielded little and testimonials do nothing for me, same went for the Google Reviews which I found highly suspicious since the Centre received an overall rating of 5 stars from 49 people (not even the best restaurant in the country has a 5 star rating from Google Reviews or HelloPeter, someone somewhere was unhappy about something (no matter how arbitrary) and at some point!).

HelloPeter only yielded one review and a bad one at that, but the comments discredit it and seeing as it's just one review it's nowhere near enough to give the Centre an 'overall' bad rating, if that makes sense?

Seems someone has arrived here to discredit what several persons have written, in detail, about Insight Centre of Light.

Insinuating that those who felt harmed by participation in your favorite workshop had prior emotional problems and need professional psychotherapist is a commonplace method of invalidating them, while denying your organization
has responsibility, has agency, for the power it wields.

Reportedly, the Insight Centre does things 10 hours day for five days.

This is severely disorientating, psychologically and emotionally.

The 'its not for everyone' is also a commonplace put down.

Both of these are variations of 'blame the victim'.

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/06/2019 08:42PM by corboy.

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Re: Insight centre of Light
Date: May 07, 2019 02:58AM

Hi corboy.

Not really sure what to say in response. I typed here because I am extremely saddened that people are suffering as a result of the workshop. I'm not sure how to help lessen the blow and trauma.

It is terrible what has happened to some people post the workshop including suicide.

In my experience those that were of a strong will did well and those that were fragile struggled both during and after the workshop. I am not promoting anything. If 10,000 people have had an extremely positive experience and a few hundred have had a very negative experience, then that is not an opinion. It's just a data point. This online forum I thought was how to help those that were suffering as a result. It's the few hundred that my heart goes out to. "Blame the victim". What are you talking about?

If they should not seek professional help...then what do you suggest they do? If someone is close to suicide, what do you recommend?

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Re: Insight centre of Light
Posted by: Ilunga ()
Date: May 07, 2019 04:54AM

AsmallBitofGuidance and corboy,

First off, I would like to extend my thanks for each of your responses; I greatly appreciate the time taken by both of you to go through my initial post and address concerning aspects you had identified.

Despite my immense skepticism and suspicion, I decided to go through with the workshop regardless. I was very much stuck between a rock and a hard place just before the time. I couldn't continue living my life the way I had and a change or push was necessary, but I had no idea what else to do or where else to go. On top of that, I trust the friend who recommended this to me with my life, so I decided I'd give it a try. My rationale was one of well, what would I have to lose and I could always leave if I wanted to.

My experience of the workshop was a very intense one and I would agree with AsmallBitofGuidance in that this isn't for the faint-hearted, the fragile, or the weak (for lack of better words, please don't offense as this isn't directed at any one or meant to be either). To sum it all up (since we were kept constantly busy with activity after activity and talk after talk), those 5 days were probably the most difficult, emotional, overwhelming, tiring and unpredictable days I had been through in a while. Many times I considered leaving or not returning, but I either managed to convince myself to see it through or had others do so when I displayed discouragement.

Look, I'll be as objective as I can be and I can only speak for myself here. I'm the type of person who tries to take value out of every circumstance or situation I find myself in and because of that, I can't say that the workshop was all bad. I wouldn't give it a 5 star rating on Google Reviews, but I don't regret the experience. I most certainly wouldn't do it again and if I had known beforehand what we would go through, I never would have signed myself up for it. But I can't say it was 100% through and through, from start to finish absolutely horrific and life destroying. I did find some things very bizarre and often asked myself "what is the point of this?" or "what are they trying to do here?". I think it's very important to use your own conviction and to not take things personally or as some kind of attack on you, there are many things that were said and done in those 5 days that I completely disregarded since they didn't make sense to me at the time. But on the other hand, there were also many things I actually found to be quite useful and valid. I would advise to use your own discretion to decide, but it could also just be my way of thinking.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that the workshop was as traumatising or devastating, at least not to me, and further down along the line I have actually seen and reaped some benefits from it in my own life - which I wouldn't have thought would be possible. It certainly triggered some sort of paradigm shift for me and I've found myself slowly becoming the person I used to be before I lost my way. I wouldn't attribute it all to the workshop though, as there are many other things I had done and tried over the last few months to help me in this regard, but do I think this contributed something. I do agree, however, that this may not be for every person out there and the approach is quite radical and pulls the carpet right out from under your feet.

I, however, have decided that it's not my place to tell others to do it and I'm not interested in volunteering either. I'm not sure what else to say other than that, but I am very glad I did the research beforehand.

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