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Psychology of Vision - Chuck and Lency Spezzano
Posted by: liminal ()
Date: September 23, 2013 10:52AM

http://www.psychologyofvision.com/events/

http://www.chuckandlencyspezzano.com/

Chuck and Lency (Lenora) Spezzano have quite a racket running expensive large group trainings around the world. These are a mix of Course in Miracles, Oneness Movement, Landmark type training, along with techniques of persuasion and manipulation. They run a form of affinity fraud by finding communities that have money, infiltrating them, and getting those they train to train others, all while making a lot of money.

Lency does bizarre staring sessions with a claim that she is "downloading" healing and doing something called "joining". http://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano/videos People, mostly women, end up sobbing, laughing, grimacing in pain. All while Lency does a predatory looking aggressive performance.

Chuck says he was "enlightened" in 2007 at Oneness University, that is a problematic group (their site http://www.onenessuniversity.org/ ) , critique can be found on them around the web. So the large group trainings the Spezzanos do also include their own spinoff of these supposed blessings.

There is an ongoing research thread here http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.0, especially focused on the Spezzano's influence in some Canadian communities, but their other activities are also discussed some. They are also active in Germany, China, Singapore, UK, and elsewhere. Students pay quite a bit of money and spend a lot of time to earn each level, eventually they can then train others, all while having to pay royalties to the Spezzanos.

I myself had attended a large group training decades ago, but fortunately stayed clear of them since then. I hadn't heard of this particular group til recently and am curious if anyone knows history on this group and their founders. Apparently they have been at this for awhile.

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Re: Psychology of Vision - Chuck and Lency Spezzano
Posted by: liminal ()
Date: October 03, 2013 10:11AM

People have described feeling suicidal during and after these trainings.

Survivors describe a classic high pressure intense LGAT experience. People end up screaming, crying, comatose on the floor, laughing hysterically.

Chuck Spezzano has set himself up as a guru. He does baptisms and marriages. He claims special mystical insight.

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Re: Psychology of Vision - Chuck and Lency Spezzano
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: October 03, 2013 10:53PM

About Oneness:

quoted from below:

"I want to write an expose on them before they get much larger, but who the hell has heard of deeksha? Or, as they call it now, Oneness Deeksha or Oneness Prayer. That edict came down from on high last week – maybe the authorities are getting on to the deeksha name."

Corboy note: an exalted, happy mood does not prove anything. Anyone, regardless of moral stature or none at all, can learn techniques that will manipulate brain and body chemistry and generate moods.

Find a way to put people in a context they will readily label as spiritual, put a guru nearby, then...find a way to massage a part of the brain called the amygdala.

If you're in a park or looking at someone or somethign you have seen a thousand times, you'll also feel connected if at that moment, your amygdala is activated.

Part of running these LGATs is merely learning technology that is effective in this manner. All that differs are the stage trappings used. Hindu Guru Theatre? Or American corporate development? The techniques underneath the stage props are the same.

If interested get and read a book by neuroscientist Marc Lewis Memoirs of An Addicted Brain.

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A Neuroscientist Examines his Former Life on Drugs Marc Lewis ... Meaning is
that special, personal insight of how the world is connected to us. ... and just
ahead of it the amygdala, which records the emotional colour and intensity of
things

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Here he describes the brain processes that confer a sense of meaning--to anything.


A description of meeting some people who had been at Oneness University.

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Yesterday I met a Dutch couple while bicycling, and we had dinner together at a local tavern. After they told me they had come to Vermont from New Jersey (he had been a climatologist at Princeton University), they were very excited to report that they had recently returned from a visit to Oneness University near Chennai (Madras), India.

They spoke of the husband and wife "avatars" Sri Bhagavan and Sri Amma, and how they have pioneered the "neurobiology of enlightenment." They went on to speak of miraculous healing powers, of the imminent Golden Age, and how, by giving and receiving deekshas, the Oneness movement was helping to birth the Golden Age.

Deeksha is a Sanskrit word meaning "benediction;" one "Deeksha giver" explains that deeksha "initiates a neurobiological change in the brain that when complete enables the senses to be free from the interference of the mind. When the senses are unclouded by the mind’s interpretations, a natural clarity of perception occurs with accompanying spontaneous feelings of joy, inner calmness and connection to the Oneness in everything." Ahh, smell the bliss!

The really good news is that deeksha "is not a spiritual, emotional, intellectual or moral process. It is not about being good enough, or spiritual or moral enough or trying hard enough or meditating long enough. Now, with the energy of Deeksha waking up and living in Joy is easy and doable for everyone."

Well, anyone with $5500 that is! That’s the fee for the trademarked 21-day "Process" that may or may not bring "enlightenment," and which, no matter if you experience the kundalini rush or not, will advance the global spread of the Oneness work, which aims to reach a critical mass of 0.001 % of the world population – 64,000 people – before 2012. Banking on the 100th Monkey Effect, these folks will bring on the deeksha apocalypse.

Is it just my imagination, or do Western spiritual seekers just get dumber every generation? You can search high and low in the very visible Web world of the "Oneness Movement," and you will be hard pressed to find much explanation of the deeksha, which was described to me by my bicycling acquaintance as "like the laying on of hands."

Yup, the deeksha giver lays her hands on your crown chakra, and kickstarts the flow of kundalini, the fire that has burned countless naive Western novices.

Oh, if only American police departments, instead of sending in the "Just Say No to Drugs!" evangelists, would give a little primer in subtle body biology!

"Just Say No to Folks Who Promiscuously Mess with Your Crown Chakra!"

Some wrote this. Corboy has no idea whether any of it is true. But its interesting that one person reported havign trouble getting a refund.

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Posted on August 13, 2008 by newcentrist
As regular readers know, I am interested in cults, especially political cults but religious ones as well. I’m not sure how I discovered the Oneness Movement or O.M. I must have been looking for something on Youtube. If you are not familiar with these nuts, here is what they are all about.


Their leader Sri Bhagavan (original name Vijaykumar Naidu), claims he is Kalki, the final avatar of Vishnu and can “enlighten” us mere mortals through his touch or gaze. The cult is also known as Kalki Deeksha movement. He and his wife, Sri Amma (Padmini), offer classes (level 1 and level 2) for thousands of dollars to facilitate the “enlightenment” process. It is an old scam that never ends to bring in new suckers.


Loved and worshipped by millions, Sri Amma Bhagavan are avatars for enlightenment and God realisation. They are one single avataric consciousness in two bodies. They represent the Divine feminine and the Divine masculine. Together Amma and Bhagavan power the process of enlightenment of the individual seeker as Yin and Yang, stillness and movement, Prakruti and Purusha.


The new twist for this cult is claiming spiritual awakening or deeksha is a “neurobiological process” and adding strange accoutrements like a golden orb to the standard Hindu cosmology:


The phenomenon of the Oneness Blessing/Oneness Deeksha is sourced in the descent of the “Golden Ball of Divine Grace”, a mystical golden orb of light, into which Sri Amma Bhagavan had impregnated their divine consciousness since early childhood through a very esoteric process. In July 1989, this Golden Ball of divine grace descended into many children of the Jeevashram School founded by Sri Amma & Bhagavan. With the descent of the Golden Ball these children were instantly transported into deep mystical states of consciousness and experienced profound transformation, thus heralding the birth of a phenomenon Sri Amma Bhagavan had been waiting for over nearly four decades.

The Golden Ball of Divine grace embodies the divine intent of Sri Amma Bhagavan, namely ‘to set man totally and unconditionally free’ and it is this intent that powers the Oneness Blessings/Oneness Deekshas worldwide. Oneness Blessing/Oneness Deeksha is essentially the process of facilitating the descent of this Golden Ball, which naturally activates a neurobiological process in the receiver’s brain, thus culminating in a spiritual awakening. In addition, it also activates the seven energy centers (chakras) in the subtle body and the dormant spiritual energy (kundalini), which constitutes the basis of every form of transformation in life, mundane as well as spiritual.

How people fall for this nonsense is actually rather sad. In one devotee’s words:

‘Diksha’, or baptism as we know it in the West, is a hands-on transference of Divine energy that brings about a state of oneness, or enlightenment. In the past, only a very few have been blessed with this state. Now, for the first time in human history, enlightenment is being made available to everyone through the grace if Sri Bhagavan (See picture). Sri Bhagavan, or Kalki as he is often called, is an Avatar who has the mission of bringing enlightenment to the world at this critical time.

Bhagavan says that you cannot attain a full state of enlightenment through your own efforts, although you can get close. Full enlightenment is a state that must be given to you!

What happens to us when we receive Diksha probably cannot be understood by the human mind, but it can best be described as a neuro-biological shift in the brain. We become detached or de-clutched from our mind. We are still able to feel feelings and have old thoughts, but there is no charge there anymore, and we start to experience permanent peace and joy. It is not about becoming mindless, but rather ‘mindful’ and being totally present with reality as it is.

If you were a native African, for example, you could probably become enlightened after receiving only one Diksha. However, we in the West are holding onto so many emotional blocks and concepts about life, that it is not as easy for us to attain this state.

Here is a different perspective:

I am having a hard time getting my money refunded from the people at the Oneness Movement. They have been extremely “nice” but they are basically charging me in order to refund the money. God, I wish I never gave them the fucking money in the first place. It’s another expensive lesson, but the same one over and over – listen to myself, not any one else who claims to have some kind of “answer”.

It seemed so appealing, the thought of all my Issues dissolving after three weeks of deeksha. But the warning signs were there. Signing the waiver saying I could withstand sleep and food deprivation, the high fee and the inability to leave the ashram, being told everyone has the same questions as me so I should just go with the flow and ignore what my inner voice was saying…I am grateful for my rational over-thinking mind coming in to save the day!

But now I have to deal with these mo-fo’s to get the money back. And I am learning about cults and mind-control as I try to navigate through their system of niceties and bullshit. They have me by the balls. I want to write an expose on them before they get much larger, but who the hell has heard of deeksha? Or, as they call it now, Oneness Deeksha or Oneness Prayer. That edict came down from on high last week – maybe the authorities are getting on to the deeksha name.

It turns out many of the early devotees were likely dosed with hallucinogenic leyham without their consent, leading to the extraordinary experiences they shared together. After leaving the Oneness University many of the devotees experience withdrawals and psychosis. Some have committed suicide.


(Corboy, right now, this is not proven. But the difficulties this person reports getting his or her refund returned is revealing enough.)

As to where all the money is going. Part of it is going to build this temple:

The rest is being invested in personal properties and businesses owned by cult leadership.

Read more:
Website of the Global Oneness Commitment, “Co-creating a happy world.”
Guruphiliac:
Deeksha is a Sanskrit word meaning “benediction;” one “Deeksha giver” explains that deeksha “initiates a neurobiological change in the brain that when complete enables the senses to be free from the interference of the mind. When the senses are unclouded by the mind’s interpretations, a natural clarity of perception occurs with accompanying spontaneous feelings of joy, inner calmness and connection to the Oneness in everything.” Ahh, smell the bliss!

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Re: Psychology of Vision - Chuck and Lency Spezzano
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: October 03, 2013 11:02PM

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Chuck says he was "enlightened" in 2007 at Oneness University, that is a problematic group (their site [www.onenessuniversity.org] ) , critique can be found on them around the web. So the large group trainings the Spezzanos do also include their own spinoff of these supposed blessings.

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This article is interesting

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sometime in 2004) they introduced a herbal substance known as leyhem. This mixture of herbs was formed in to balls about the size of ping pong balls and then eaten. They where told these would cleanse them in a very powerful way.

Indeed it was powerful. Most people began vomiting. After eating leyham, people had extremely powerful peak experiences with cosmic oneness and love beyond what anyone could describe. This was so powerful that some people couldnt handle it and had psychotic episodes, even after leaving Golden city.

Because of this they almost got in trouble with the police and in 2005 they stopped using the leyham and the peak states stopped happening. What ever was in them, vomiting psychadelic properties.

(Corboy note: In India, it is very easy to bribe law enforcement personnel and have charges dropped. )

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Will The Oneness Blessing Change Your Life?
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Bhagavan and his wife Amma are the founders of the oneness university in India, located in a place called Golden city. They expanded and opened up a center in Fiji and recently also one in Italy.

People come to this university for transformation. May it be spiritual or personal.
Currently there are two levels of the courses and a third being planned.
In the very early beginning of these courses, it was all about becoming enlightened and the courses where a lot longer and I have heard of people who came there to more or less live there so they could stay until they became enlightened. This was a long time ago though. Ive been told it was in the beginning of the 90s.

The first courses that was held was over 40 days long and kept in mauna. Mauna means silence no speaking, and from what Ive heard these courses where really tough and relied a lot on the participants working on them selves through guidance from the teachers. Im speaking really tough, rolling on the floor crying and screaming was nothing unusual. They didnt have air conditioning and the higher standard living quarters they have today.

Then came the first well known courses that really got huge amounts of people flying in from all over the world. This new course was called the 21 day process. People came mostly because they where promised that they would become enlightened. I personally know about only two cases where non-Indian people entered this enlightened state during these courses. One later became one of the monks or cosmic beings as they are called today. The other one is living normally back home now, she is a very likable and sweet person. You can really feel her presence and just being around her to me feels special.

However, besides for a very few, enlightenment did not happen. They where then informed that if they did not enter enlightenment during the course, it would happen within 6 months after they returned home. This also didnt happen. They also had short 5 day courses with the same promise of enlightenment. When this didnt happen they offered a free new course that would get them enlightened. In this point of time (sometime in 2004) they introduced a herbal substance known as leyhem. This mixture of herbs was formed in to balls about the size of ping pong balls and then eaten. They where told these would cleanse them in a very powerful way. Indeed it was powerful. Most people began vomiting. After eating leyham, people had extremely powerful peak experiences with cosmic oneness and love beyond what anyone could describe. This was so powerful that some people couldnt handle it and had psychotic episodes, even after leaving Golden city. Because of this they almost got in trouble with the police and in 2005 they stopped using the leyham and the peak states stopped happening. What ever was in them, vomiting and nausea is are known reactions to alkaloids with psychadelic properties.

In 2006 when I attended this course we where told that some people had entered some kind of psychosis and that they had started teaching people how to handle feelings and negative thought patterns, to avoid this from happening and to keep us more grounded.

Personally I had tremendous experiences there both in 2006 and 2007, without any layhem or anything like that. I had experiences of extreme compassion, looking at an ant, making its way through Bhagavans lawn. I remember walking in slow motion, enjoying every step in a way I cant describe, eating pineapple and laughing in amazement of how good it tasted. I remember all the crying, screaming and anger that came up, the time when it felt like my head was about to explode and the time when I could not speak, only laugh. Theres no denial what I experienced. There is no way I could ever say it isnt for real. The years that followed, until now 3 years, later have changed my life.

Nowadays, theres no promise of enlightenment. Its more focused on transforming you and your life in to success in what ever you do.

Some people have felt incredibly hurt and fooled by the Oneness movement in the past. Others feel incredibly thankful beyond what words could ever tell. What most would agree on though, is that it changed their lives to the better, even if it took some time to see it.

With this article I want to inspire you to have an open mind and to not be afraid of the truth. If you decide to go to the Oneness university to take a course, come with an open mind, heart and a brave soul. If you go, give it your all. There is nothing to loose.

Dont go if you expect everything to be easy. For a breakthrough to happen there is usually some struggle first. Emotions, fears and old painful memories will surface. The trick is to not be afraid of it. It cant really hurt you because the hurt is already done and that is what you may feel. Just sit through it with a brave attitude. I say to the fear, feeling or emotion: OK, come on, do your best, Im ready. Because Im not afraid. When I learnt to do this, I really moved on in my life. A doctor diagnosed me with panic anxiety after I had a night where I was sure I was going to die. I got help how to handle it and within a few months got to a point where I could handle it.

The point I want to make here is that this is the kind of thing that can happen to anyone taking the Oneness university courses. No one else can do all the work for you and try to not expect anything.

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Re: Psychology of Vision - Chuck and Lency Spezzano
Posted by: liminal ()
Date: October 04, 2013 12:17AM

Working with the Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader http://www.culteducation.com/warningsigns.html :

Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability: Chuck Spezzano is the boss. He is the director and minister. His wife, Lency, and their 52 some trainers are also seen as authorities, on the pyramid. Chuck tells people what to do during trainings, even while they are sobbing in terror, and they do it. Chuck does not answer to a licensing board, supervisors at a mental health clinic, or a faith community hierarchy.

No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry: Your questions are your "issues" that you've not yet personally healed by doing enough work (expensive trainings and daily practices)

No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement: Spezzano and Associates Ltd. is a for profit company, no public disclosure is made of how much money they are making or where it is going. Various trainers have set up their own companies, sometimes under other names. There are also some non-profit charities that do publish annual reports, but these do not reveal the Spezzano money making machine.

Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions: People are told they have to keep up with the "group mind", that they must do group mind deposits in the group mind bank for peace and healing. They are told they can prevent natural disasters by doing this. Catastrophe of some sort is always right around the corner if the followers don't do the right process and handle their issues.

There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil. Former members report being glared at, shunned, and threatened. In Canada, RCMP reports have been filed concerning threats against former followers.

Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances. The former members I've heard from have similar stories. The stories fit those heard concerning other LGATs and destructive spiritual groups.

There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader: Not yet that I know of, some things are in the works.

Followers feel they can never be "good enough": The program laid out for followers and trainers is endless. Members are never done. They are never good enough, they can never let down their guard.

The group/leader is always right: In the trainings, you do what Chuck says. Any attempt to question means your issues are coming up for healing.

The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible: Chuck and Lency Spezzano are at the top, between us and heaven.

Especially concerning is how they prey on First Nation communities in Canada. By identifying leaders of small communities, and enlisting them, they in the process are able to scoop up many other people in the extended family. POV is deeply entrenched in some places, when a trainer is the head of the political system, they have quite a bit of control. POV has gotten government grants intended for survivors of the residential school system. Survivors have been told they need to forget what happened to them in the past, and are re-traumatized by POV.

POV has also made major inroads in Taiwan, Germany, and elsewhere. Although their top trainer lives in Washington state USA, POV doesn't look to do any trainings on the mainland USA. The Spezzanos are based in Hawaii and all followers at a certain point in the hierarchy must attend special trainings there.

As corboy notes: "an exalted, happy mood does not prove anything. Anyone, regardless of moral stature or none at all, can learn techniques that will manipulate brain and body chemistry and generate moods." Chuck Spezzano knows the tricks of the trade, he knows how to put people through huge destructive swings of emotion, but in truth, this doesn't mean he is a messiah. This doesn't mean he is a good guy with our best interest in mind.

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Re: Psychology of Vision - Chuck and Lency Spezzano
Posted by: liminal ()
Date: October 04, 2013 12:34AM

Trainers, after having spent a lot of money and time getting to this level, have to continue staying incredibly invested. Regular trainings, coaching sessions, conference calls, staffing requirements, along with a hefty annual fee.

http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf

Level 1 $4500
Level 2 $6250
Level 3 $6700
Level 4 $7500
First Nations trainers $500

Chuck Spezzano draws from many sources, including the whole "you have cancer cause you're angry" bit. He has co-authored a book that purports to explain exactly why we have various health challenges. http://www.healingkeys.com/MetaphorAtoZ.htm

Chuck Spezzano is active on Facebook. He does daily card readings, thought for the day type things to keep people focused on him and POV. He is fond of archetypal, mythical type images, and fantasy visuals to keep people hooked.

Lency Spezzano has put out videos of her supposed "downloading" and "joining" sessions. http://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano She can be seen directing people to focus on her right eye, she uses classic stage hypnosis. Lency in the past worked with the deaf community, she knows sign language, former followers report that Lency has created her own signs for things like "joining", which she teaches the trainers.

Specific songs like Into the Mystic and In the Arms of an Angel are used in trainings to get people upset and emotional. Former members report that they cannot comfortably listen to any of those songs now.

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Re: Psychology of Vision - Chuck and Lency Spezzano
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Date: October 04, 2013 10:01PM

Interesting how a recurring them in most of these teachings is to train people to fear their own anger.

The fight/flight response is hard wired into our brains, our bodies. It is older than the part of the brain that receives and responds to indoctrination.

Trying to eradicate or at least suppress anger when something is triggering our unease is to be perpetually at war within oneself.

And that makes a person off balance, more malleable to indoctrination.

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Date: October 04, 2013 11:42PM

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Interesting how a recurring them in most of these teachings is to train people to fear their own anger.

The fight/flight response is hard wired into our brains, our bodies. It is older than the part of the brain that receives and responds to indoctrination.

Trying to eradicate or at least suppress anger when something is triggering our unease is to be perpetually at war within oneself.

And that makes a person off balance, more malleable to indoctrination.

Happens in these trainings too. People are set off, encouraged to scream, cry, laugh, and then told to do "joining exercises" and numb out their emotions. People end up passed out on the floor at times.

Trainers stalk around the room, ordering people around, they even touch them. One survivor says a trainer made her stay still while the trainer tapped her throat area repeatedly, this supposedly had something to do with releasing the survivor's ability to speak freely, "find her voice". The survivor said her throat area was sore for about a month.

Touch includes weird body work massages that leave people sobbing.

Chuck and Lency Spezzano, and their trainers, get people into a very fearful, confused, freaked out place. The Spezzanos use this to hook people.

Telling survivors of residential school trauma in Canada to suppress their anger, fear their anger, to numb out further - this is so very wrong.

POV recruits people who can bring a lot of other people with them, they make use of community and extended family ties. But once in POV, relationships are purposefully divided and ended, all so people are suddenly isolated and will turn to POV to be their family.

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Date: October 06, 2013 10:16PM

Chuck and Lency Spezzano's Psychology of Vision has been targetting First Nations people of Canada since at least 1998 http://www.angelfire.com/biz/psychologyofvision/1STNATIONS.html

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PSYCHOLOGY OF VISION CANADA

'A FIRST NATIONS WORKSHOP'

NOVEMBER 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, 1998
Prince Rupert, British Columbia, Canada.

Facilitated by Chuck and Lency Spezzano and sponsored by the First Nations Women's Group

This 2001 article details what the issues are:

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Sun 28 Jan 2001 News A1 / FRONT Suzanne Fournier, Vancouver Province

Natives find New Age help in Hawaii
By: Suzanne Fournier, Vancouver Province

Natives are spending thousands of tax dollars jetting off to Hawaii for
workshops in questionable New Age therapies.

Critics say the training trips, and the ensuing therapy sessions on the
reserves, are a waste of taxpayers' money, unhelpful and
potentially dangerous for victims of everything from residential school
abuse to sexual assault and addictions.

But Dr. Jay Wortman, B.C. director for Health Canada's medical services
branch, says bands can spend health money as they
like.

``We might not condone it and I agree 100-per-cent it looks bad, but it
would be paternalistic to dictate to First Nations how
they spend their health dollars.''

In Manitoba, however, Health Canada is suing to recover $5 million from a
native centre that used counselling dollars to send
staff to the Caribbean and Hawaii.

About 14 B.C. natives attended $2,500 workshops in Hawaii last November.

Dr. Charles Brasfield, a North Vancouver psychiatrist who has treated
hundreds of native residential-school victims, says they
typically require lengthy one-on-one counselling, which Health Canada
refuses to pay for.

When bands spend money on quick-fix New Age therapies such as
Neurolinguistic Programming and something called
Psychology of Vision, he says, Health Canada looks the other way.

``Typically, these quick-fix money-makers try to get an aboriginal
`trainer' as a front,'' he said. ``We tried to warn medical
services how public money was being spent but they weren't interested.

``We're very concerned about the influx of these money-making quick-fix
therapies. They're very expensive and they're just
sweeping reserves.''

Agrees Vera Manuel, a Secwepemc playwright and qualified traditional
therapist: ``It's a feeding frenzy out there -- all kinds of
so-called therapists are coming out of the woodwork.

``These New Age therapies are becoming as oppressive to us as the first
wave of religion -- some of them are like cults. This
is not a good use of the small amount of money we have.''

Carole Dawson of the Union of B.C. Indian Chiefs said she has complained
repeatedly to health and Indian affairs officials
about her impoverished Tsawataineuk reserve, on northern Vancouver Island,
paying for NLP workshops.

``They just don't listen,'' she said.

``Not only is this taxpayers' money being wasted, it's dangerous,
irrelevant drivel -- how does our social worker spending two
weeks in Hawaii help the people suffering on our reserve?''

Tsawataineuk social worker Charlene Dawson was among those who flew to
Hawaii in November for NLP ``training,'' for
which she says she borrowed $3,500 for airfare, hotel and meals ``that I'll
be paying off for years.''

The workshop, in Kona-Kailua on Hawaii, was put on by Nimpkish band member
Richard Hunt, who lives in Tsawwassen
and makes a comfortable living as an NLP ``master trainer.''

He didn't charge Dawson for the workshop. Instead, she agreed to promote
NLP workshops on reserves, where they would
be paid for with federal health dollars or Indian affairs dollars.

Dawson, a single mother of five, defended going to Hawaii: ``You're on a
big high -- Hawaii is so beautiful. But when you get
home, reality hits. It's a real let-down.'' Said elder Flora Dawson,
Carole's mother and a distant relative of Charlene: ``Elders
and home-care clients weren't really looked after while she was gone.''

The Neskainlith band near Chase paid $3,200 for two band members to attend,
which band social development director
Leigh Ann Edwards admitted is ``more than a third of our annual medical
services training money.''

``I don't understand NLP, but it's popular,'' she said. ``We prefer to fund
aboriginal counsellors here but it's hard.''

Hunt, 38, said he has given ``hundreds'' of paid sessions on reserves since
he became a ``master trainer'' in 1995.

He said he isn't concerned that NLP has little credibility among medical
experts: ``NLP by itself I agree might not be useful,
but I do use our aboriginal experience and the real kicker I use is called
timeline therapy.'' Timeline therapy is an NLP
technique to eliminate negative thoughts and emotions about previous events
in a person's life.

Asked about the ethics of charging cash-strapped bands thousands of dollars
for Hawaii workshops, Hunt replied angrily: ``I
didn't twist their arms or force them to come, did I?''
Turtle Island Native Network
Aboriginal News & Information
[www.turtleisland.org]
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/TurtleIslandNativeNetwork/conversations/topics/240

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Re: Psychology of Vision - Chuck and Lency Spezzano
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: October 07, 2013 02:04AM

How to evaluate any recommended workshop especially if it is a multi day event.

One way to ID a potential LGAT without going through one, is to see whether they require potential subjects to sign two types of paperwork:

A nondisclosure contract promising they will not tell anyone what the process is.

This makes it impossible for a potential subject to make an adult informed decision.

Two--are potential recruits/subjects required to sign a waiver of their right as citizens (or resident aliens) to sue or mediate for damages (including death) if they or their health care provider later recognize they have incurred harm as a result of being processed through workshop.

Disclaimer forms. On this first example, The Anticult describes how to test a group. The entire page is worth studying.

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This second item may have been re-written since the post was published. But it is an important specimen of its kind. The person who posted this wrote"

"I just found this waiver posted on another thread on this board, and my stomach is churning My boyfriend must have signed this. If he did sign it, he would have been lying on many counts. He has had a history of depression, was on Wellbutrin, just recently went off of it without any attendent therapy or counseling, he has been under psychiatric care, has terrible insomnia and often doesn't sleep. I know he wasn't sleeping much during and after the seminar.

All of these things are listed as reasons not to take the seminar, but he took it, and now he's taking the Advanced Course. No one double checked this information, of course, he just lied and passed in his sheet and walked in the door.

Jesus, I am so worried about him. He's enough of an asshole not to worry about himself though, isn't he. And here I am driving myself crazy worrying about him. God help me.

You can get it at the Landmark website but you have to sign up and give them your email address.

I copied it from somewhere a while back. I believe it's been posted here and other places before.
(read the rest of it here:)


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No reputable health care provider or psychotherapist will ever require anyone to sign such paperwork.

* These workshops also give rise to another issue: confidentiality. There is often pressure to confess sensitive information in front of a room full of strangers. How do you know this remains confidential?

* Paperwork. Some LGATs request that you supply medical information or disclose what kinds of psychological conditions you have or have been treated for. How do you know this paperwork will be kept confidential? Professional health care providers are accountable to laws governing their professions that mandate standards of record keeping and of confidentiality. Who does the facilitator of the workshop answer to?

(If you arrive at the seminar and are suddenly confronted with this kind of paperwork, just get out of there -- even if you have driven or flown 1,000 miles to attend.

Note: another way to research any group is to see whether they are willing to give refunds and if they have a good track record for doing so.

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