Patricia Fry = First wife of Werner Erhard, when he was known by Jack Rosenberg and John Paul Rosenberg. (1978 Bartley, pp. 32-33)
Her maiden name = Patricia Fry. (1978 Bartley, pp. 32-33)
After Werner Erhard her 2nd husband's surname was Campbell. As of 1978 she was divorced from her 2nd husband, but still going by name of Pat Campbell. (1978 Bartley, pp. 32-33)
Pat Fry Campbell = in 1978 she was a member of the staff of Werner Erhard's company EST Erhard Seminars Training. (1978 Bartley, pp. 32-33)

Helene Rosenberg = niece of Joseph Rosenberg. Cousin of Werner Erhard. Daughter of Frank Rosenberg. Frank Rosenberg being the brother of Joseph Rosenberg. (1978 Bartley, pp. 32-33)

June 1953 = Werner Erhard graduated from high school, Norristown High School, Pennsylvania. (1978 Bartley, pp. 34-35)

Anita Danoff, sister of Norman Danoff = both cousins of Werner Erhard; their family lived in Atlantic City, New Jersey. (1978 Bartley, pp. 36-37)

James Clauson = brother of Dorothy Clauson Rosenberg. Uncle of Werner Erhard. Also known as Jim Clauson. (1978 Bartley, pp. 37-38)

Works cited:

Bartley, William Warren, III. Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man: The Founding of est. (1978). New York: Clarkson N. Potter, Inc.

Hukill, Tracy. "The est of Friends: Werner Erhard's protégés and siblings carry the torch for a '90s incarnation of the '70s 'training' that some of us just didn't get". (July 9, 1998). Metro News. San Francisco. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Landmark says that Erhard has nothing to do with The Forum. But the license Landmark obtained from Erhard enabling them to produce The Forum is in fact owned by Erhard, and is scheduled to revert to him in 2009. Erhard's 63 now and is assured 50 percent of Landmark's net pre-tax profit each quarter, not to exceed $15 million in the 18-year lifespan of the license. Furthermore, Erhard's brother, Harry Rosenberg, is currently Landmark's CEO, and sister Joan Rosenberg is listed as a director."

MacNamara, Mark. "The Return of Werner Erhard: Guru II". (May 1988) Los Angeles Magazine. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Donald Strauss was 25 when he took the training in Los Angeles in 1977. He found it to be a profound experience and volunteered to work at the L.A. est center. Eventually, he earned a staff position, was paid $ 700 a month and was put in charge of 45 part-time volunteers. His boss was Joan Rosenberg, Erhard's sister."

Pressman, Steven. (1993). Outrageous Betrayal: The Dark Journey of Werner Erhard from est to Exile. New York: St. Martin's Press. ISBN 0-312-09296-2.

Spaink, Karen. "The Tupperware trade in happiness". XL Magazine. Amsterdam. (August 1, 1999). [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "The connection between Landmark and Werner Erhard (whose real name is John Rosenberg) is strong and proven. Erhard established "EST", a group that acquired a terrible reputation as a result of tyrannical practices (not allowing participants to use the toilet, not allowing people to eat or drink outside times appointed by the leadership, sessions where participants were physically handled) and as a result of scandals involving Erhard personally. EST was later transformed into Landmark and Erhard sold his rights to his employers. Art Schreiber, the current chairman of Landmark, used to be Erhard’s lawyer. Both Erhard’s brother and sister are high up in the organization (Harry and Joan Rosenberg)."

Edith Rosenberg = aunt of Werner Erhard. Wife of Al Rosenberg, brother of Joseph Rosenberg. (1978 Bartley p. 43)

Werner Erhard and Patricia Fry = married September 26, 1953 in Trinity Evangelical and Reformed Church, Pennsylvania. (1978 Bartley, pp. 37-38)

Clare Rosenberg = daughter of Werner Erhard and Patricia Fry. Born March 13, 1954 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. (1978 Bartley p. 40)
Clare Rosenberg = also known as Clare Erhard, per website of Laurence Platt [www.laurenceplatt.com] [www.laurenceplatt.com] [www.laurenceplatt.com]

Lynn Rosenberg = daughter of Werner Erhard and Patricia Fry. Born March 1955 in Norristown, Pennsylvania. (1978 Bartley p. 42)
Lynn Rosenberg = also known as Anita Lynn Erhard, per website of Laurence Platt [www.laurenceplatt.com] [www.laurenceplatt.com] [www.laurenceplatt.com] According to Laurence Platt, she resided in New York in 2003 per [www.laurenceplatt.com]

John Paul Rosenberg, Jr. = son of Werner Erhard and Patricia Fry. Born in November 1958 in New Jersey.

Works cited:

Bartley, William Warren, III. Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man: The Founding of est. (1978). New York: Clarkson N. Potter, Inc.

Hukill, Tracy. "The est of Friends: Werner Erhard's protégés and siblings carry the torch for a '90s incarnation of the '70s 'training' that some of us just didn't get". (July 9, 1998). Metro News. San Francisco. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Landmark says that Erhard has nothing to do with The Forum. But the license Landmark obtained from Erhard enabling them to produce The Forum is in fact owned by Erhard, and is scheduled to revert to him in 2009. Erhard's 63 now and is assured 50 percent of Landmark's net pre-tax profit each quarter, not to exceed $15 million in the 18-year lifespan of the license. Furthermore, Erhard's brother, Harry Rosenberg, is currently Landmark's CEO, and sister Joan Rosenberg is listed as a director."

MacNamara, Mark. "The Return of Werner Erhard: Guru II". (May 1988) Los Angeles Magazine. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Donald Strauss was 25 when he took the training in Los Angeles in 1977. He found it to be a profound experience and volunteered to work at the L.A. est center. Eventually, he earned a staff position, was paid $ 700 a month and was put in charge of 45 part-time volunteers. His boss was Joan Rosenberg, Erhard's sister."

Pressman, Steven. (1993). Outrageous Betrayal: The Dark Journey of Werner Erhard from est to Exile. New York: St. Martin's Press. ISBN 0-312-09296-2.

Spaink, Karen. "The Tupperware trade in happiness". XL Magazine. Amsterdam. (August 1, 1999). [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "The connection between Landmark and Werner Erhard (whose real name is John Rosenberg) is strong and proven. Erhard established "EST", a group that acquired a terrible reputation as a result of tyrannical practices (not allowing participants to use the toilet, not allowing people to eat or drink outside times appointed by the leadership, sessions where participants were physically handled) and as a result of scandals involving Erhard personally. EST was later transformed into Landmark and Erhard sold his rights to his employers. Art Schreiber, the current chairman of Landmark, used to be Erhard’s lawyer. Both Erhard’s brother and sister are high up in the organization (Harry and Joan Rosenberg)."

Kitty Clauson = aunt of Werner Erhard. wife of James Clauson. (1978 Bartley p. 51.)

James Clauson = uncle of Werner Erhard. Sister of Dorothy Clauson Rosenberg. Son of William E. Clauson and Bessie George Clauson. Former Police Captain in the Philadelphia Police Department, Pennsylvania. (1978 Bartley, p. 58.)

June Bryde = Werner Erhard began relationship with her in January 1959 at age 23, while still married to his first wife Patricia Fry. (1978 Bartley p. 46.)

Deborah Rosenberg = born December 1959. Daughter of Werner Erhard and Patricia Fry. (1978 Bartley pp. 50-51)
Deborah Rosenberg = also known as Debbie Rosenberg. (1978 Bartley pp. 50-51)

March 1960 = Werner Erhard used an address in New Jersey "to obtain a New Jersey driver's license under a false name." (1978 Bartley p. 51)

May 25, 1960 = Werner Erhard (as Jack Rosenberg) and June Bryde leave their families, traveling to the airport in Newark, New Jersey and take a flight to Indianapolis, Indiana. On the flight, Jack Rosenberg decides to rename himself Werner Hans Erhard, and June Bryde decides to go by Ellen Virginia Erhard. (1978 Bartley pp. 57-59)

Works cited:

Bartley, William Warren, III. Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man: The Founding of est. (1978). New York: Clarkson N. Potter, Inc.

Hukill, Tracy. "The est of Friends: Werner Erhard's protégés and siblings carry the torch for a '90s incarnation of the '70s 'training' that some of us just didn't get". (July 9, 1998). Metro News. San Francisco. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Landmark says that Erhard has nothing to do with The Forum. But the license Landmark obtained from Erhard enabling them to produce The Forum is in fact owned by Erhard, and is scheduled to revert to him in 2009. Erhard's 63 now and is assured 50 percent of Landmark's net pre-tax profit each quarter, not to exceed $15 million in the 18-year lifespan of the license. Furthermore, Erhard's brother, Harry Rosenberg, is currently Landmark's CEO, and sister Joan Rosenberg is listed as a director."

MacNamara, Mark. "The Return of Werner Erhard: Guru II". (May 1988) Los Angeles Magazine. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Donald Strauss was 25 when he took the training in Los Angeles in 1977. He found it to be a profound experience and volunteered to work at the L.A. est center. Eventually, he earned a staff position, was paid $ 700 a month and was put in charge of 45 part-time volunteers. His boss was Joan Rosenberg, Erhard's sister."

Pressman, Steven. (1993). Outrageous Betrayal: The Dark Journey of Werner Erhard from est to Exile. New York: St. Martin's Press. ISBN 0-312-09296-2.

Spaink, Karen. "The Tupperware trade in happiness". XL Magazine. Amsterdam. (August 1, 1999). [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "The connection between Landmark and Werner Erhard (whose real name is John Rosenberg) is strong and proven. Erhard established "EST", a group that acquired a terrible reputation as a result of tyrannical practices (not allowing participants to use the toilet, not allowing people to eat or drink outside times appointed by the leadership, sessions where participants were physically handled) and as a result of scandals involving Erhard personally. EST was later transformed into Landmark and Erhard sold his rights to his employers. Art Schreiber, the current chairman of Landmark, used to be Erhard’s lawyer. Both Erhard’s brother and sister are high up in the organization (Harry and Joan Rosenberg)."

Celeste Erhard = born August 2, 1963 in California. Daughter of Werner Erhard and Ellen Virginia Erhard (formerly known as June Bryde). (1978 Bartley p. 106).

Adair Erhard = born December 27, 1964 in California. Daughter of Werner Erhard and Ellen Virginia Erhard. (1978 Bartley p. 116-117).

Gonneke Spits = joined office of Parents Magazine publication where Werner Erhard was working in early 1966. According to William Warren Bartley, "Gonneke Spits ... joined the Parents office in San Francisco ... in early 1966, and has worked constantly with him ever since. ... She would later help to start est, and manage both theLos Angeles and Hawaii centers of est, and finally become the manager of Werner's own office." (1978 Bartley p. 131).
Gonneke Spits = As of 2001 was living with Werner Erhard in the Cayman Islands, per New York Magazine, where he went by name of Werner Spits. (2001 Grigoriadis)
Gonneke Spits = Per New York Magazine, "Though his whereabouts have been shrouded in mystery since 1991, it turns out that Erhard has been living at least part of the time in Georgetown, the capital of the Cayman Islands, with Gonneke (pronounced "Hanukkah") Spits, his assistant during his encyclopedia-selling days and later a key executive in est. Changing his surname yet again -- he goes by Werner Spits -- Erhard has joined an eating club called Chaîne des Rotisseurs, which holds formal themed dinners several times a year. One eleven-course feast (roasted squab, peaches in chartreuse jelly) re-created the last dinner on the Titanic. For Jerry, the forum was "the best present anyone ever gave to me."" (2001 Grigoriadis)

Works cited:

Bartley, William Warren, III. Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man: The Founding of est. (1978). New York: Clarkson N. Potter, Inc.

Grigoriadis, Vanessa. "Pay Money, Be Happy: For thousands of new yorkers, happiness is a $375, three-day self-help Seminar. Welcome to EST: The Next Generation." (July 9, 2001). New York Magazine. [www.culteducation.com] [nymag.com]

Hukill, Tracy. "The est of Friends: Werner Erhard's protégés and siblings carry the torch for a '90s incarnation of the '70s 'training' that some of us just didn't get". (July 9, 1998). Metro News. San Francisco. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Landmark says that Erhard has nothing to do with The Forum. But the license Landmark obtained from Erhard enabling them to produce The Forum is in fact owned by Erhard, and is scheduled to revert to him in 2009. Erhard's 63 now and is assured 50 percent of Landmark's net pre-tax profit each quarter, not to exceed $15 million in the 18-year lifespan of the license. Furthermore, Erhard's brother, Harry Rosenberg, is currently Landmark's CEO, and sister Joan Rosenberg is listed as a director."

MacNamara, Mark. "The Return of Werner Erhard: Guru II". (May 1988) Los Angeles Magazine. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Donald Strauss was 25 when he took the training in Los Angeles in 1977. He found it to be a profound experience and volunteered to work at the L.A. est center. Eventually, he earned a staff position, was paid $ 700 a month and was put in charge of 45 part-time volunteers. His boss was Joan Rosenberg, Erhard's sister."

Pressman, Steven. (1993). Outrageous Betrayal: The Dark Journey of Werner Erhard from est to Exile. New York: St. Martin's Press. ISBN 0-312-09296-2.

Spaink, Karen. "The Tupperware trade in happiness". XL Magazine. Amsterdam. (August 1, 1999). [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "The connection between Landmark and Werner Erhard (whose real name is John Rosenberg) is strong and proven. Erhard established "EST", a group that acquired a terrible reputation as a result of tyrannical practices (not allowing participants to use the toilet, not allowing people to eat or drink outside times appointed by the leadership, sessions where participants were physically handled) and as a result of scandals involving Erhard personally. EST was later transformed into Landmark and Erhard sold his rights to his employers. Art Schreiber, the current chairman of Landmark, used to be Erhard’s lawyer. Both Erhard’s brother and sister are high up in the organization (Harry and Joan Rosenberg)."

St. John Erhard = son of Werner Erhard and Ellen Virginia Erhard (formerly known as June Bryde). Born June 3, 1968 in California. (1978 Bartley pp. 139-141)

Works cited:

Bartley, William Warren, III. Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man: The Founding of est. (1978). New York: Clarkson N. Potter, Inc.

Grigoriadis, Vanessa. "Pay Money, Be Happy: For thousands of new yorkers, happiness is a $375, three-day self-help Seminar. Welcome to EST: The Next Generation." (July 9, 2001). New York Magazine. [www.culteducation.com] [nymag.com]

Hukill, Tracy. "The est of Friends: Werner Erhard's protégés and siblings carry the torch for a '90s incarnation of the '70s 'training' that some of us just didn't get". (July 9, 1998). Metro News. San Francisco. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Landmark says that Erhard has nothing to do with The Forum. But the license Landmark obtained from Erhard enabling them to produce The Forum is in fact owned by Erhard, and is scheduled to revert to him in 2009. Erhard's 63 now and is assured 50 percent of Landmark's net pre-tax profit each quarter, not to exceed $15 million in the 18-year lifespan of the license. Furthermore, Erhard's brother, Harry Rosenberg, is currently Landmark's CEO, and sister Joan Rosenberg is listed as a director."

MacNamara, Mark. "The Return of Werner Erhard: Guru II". (May 1988) Los Angeles Magazine. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Donald Strauss was 25 when he took the training in Los Angeles in 1977. He found it to be a profound experience and volunteered to work at the L.A. est center. Eventually, he earned a staff position, was paid $ 700 a month and was put in charge of 45 part-time volunteers. His boss was Joan Rosenberg, Erhard's sister."

Pressman, Steven. (1993). Outrageous Betrayal: The Dark Journey of Werner Erhard from est to Exile. New York: St. Martin's Press. ISBN 0-312-09296-2.

Spaink, Karen. "The Tupperware trade in happiness". XL Magazine. Amsterdam. (August 1, 1999). [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "The connection between Landmark and Werner Erhard (whose real name is John Rosenberg) is strong and proven. Erhard established "EST", a group that acquired a terrible reputation as a result of tyrannical practices (not allowing participants to use the toilet, not allowing people to eat or drink outside times appointed by the leadership, sessions where participants were physically handled) and as a result of scandals involving Erhard personally. EST was later transformed into Landmark and Erhard sold his rights to his employers. Art Schreiber, the current chairman of Landmark, used to be Erhard’s lawyer. Both Erhard’s brother and sister are high up in the organization (Harry and Joan Rosenberg)."

This is an aside, not a relative of Werner Erhard but former associate who later appeared talking about Werner Erhard on the March 3, 1991 broadcast by CBS News of 60 Minutes :

Dr. Robert Larzelere = Physician, internist, among the very first medical doctors to take the Mind Dynamics training under Werner Erhard. As an internist he had affiliation with Alta Bates Hospital, and was previously on staff of the medical faculty at the University of California, San Francisco. He completed the Mind Dynamics course under Werner Erhard in May 1971. (1978 Bartley, pp. 174-176)

The book, Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man: The Founding of est., by William Warren Bartley, is dedicated: "For Robert Larzelere, M.D."

More info about Dr. Robert Larzelere at the 60 Minutes news summary of the broadcast by Rick Ross, [www.culteducation.com]

Works cited:

Bartley, William Warren, III. Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man: The Founding of est. (1978). New York: Clarkson N. Potter, Inc.

Grigoriadis, Vanessa. "Pay Money, Be Happy: For thousands of new yorkers, happiness is a $375, three-day self-help Seminar. Welcome to EST: The Next Generation." (July 9, 2001). New York Magazine. [www.culteducation.com] [nymag.com]

Hukill, Tracy. "The est of Friends: Werner Erhard's protégés and siblings carry the torch for a '90s incarnation of the '70s 'training' that some of us just didn't get". (July 9, 1998). Metro News. San Francisco. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Landmark says that Erhard has nothing to do with The Forum. But the license Landmark obtained from Erhard enabling them to produce The Forum is in fact owned by Erhard, and is scheduled to revert to him in 2009. Erhard's 63 now and is assured 50 percent of Landmark's net pre-tax profit each quarter, not to exceed $15 million in the 18-year lifespan of the license. Furthermore, Erhard's brother, Harry Rosenberg, is currently Landmark's CEO, and sister Joan Rosenberg is listed as a director."

MacNamara, Mark. "The Return of Werner Erhard: Guru II". (May 1988) Los Angeles Magazine. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Donald Strauss was 25 when he took the training in Los Angeles in 1977. He found it to be a profound experience and volunteered to work at the L.A. est center. Eventually, he earned a staff position, was paid $ 700 a month and was put in charge of 45 part-time volunteers. His boss was Joan Rosenberg, Erhard's sister."

Pressman, Steven. (1993). Outrageous Betrayal: The Dark Journey of Werner Erhard from est to Exile. New York: St. Martin's Press. ISBN 0-312-09296-2.

Spaink, Karen. "The Tupperware trade in happiness". XL Magazine. Amsterdam. (August 1, 1999). [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "The connection between Landmark and Werner Erhard (whose real name is John Rosenberg) is strong and proven. Erhard established "EST", a group that acquired a terrible reputation as a result of tyrannical practices (not allowing participants to use the toilet, not allowing people to eat or drink outside times appointed by the leadership, sessions where participants were physically handled) and as a result of scandals involving Erhard personally. EST was later transformed into Landmark and Erhard sold his rights to his employers. Art Schreiber, the current chairman of Landmark, used to be Erhard’s lawyer. Both Erhard’s brother and sister are high up in the organization (Harry and Joan Rosenberg)."

Patricia Fry = first wife of Werner Erhard when he was known as Jack Rosenberg. She remarried in 1965 to man by surname of Campbell. (1978 Bartley pp. 225-227)

Works cited:

Bartley, William Warren, III. Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man: The Founding of est. (1978). New York: Clarkson N. Potter, Inc.

Grigoriadis, Vanessa. "Pay Money, Be Happy: For thousands of new yorkers, happiness is a $375, three-day self-help Seminar. Welcome to EST: The Next Generation." (July 9, 2001). New York Magazine. [www.culteducation.com] [nymag.com]

Hukill, Tracy. "The est of Friends: Werner Erhard's protégés and siblings carry the torch for a '90s incarnation of the '70s 'training' that some of us just didn't get". (July 9, 1998). Metro News. San Francisco. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Landmark says that Erhard has nothing to do with The Forum. But the license Landmark obtained from Erhard enabling them to produce The Forum is in fact owned by Erhard, and is scheduled to revert to him in 2009. Erhard's 63 now and is assured 50 percent of Landmark's net pre-tax profit each quarter, not to exceed $15 million in the 18-year lifespan of the license. Furthermore, Erhard's brother, Harry Rosenberg, is currently Landmark's CEO, and sister Joan Rosenberg is listed as a director."

MacNamara, Mark. "The Return of Werner Erhard: Guru II". (May 1988) Los Angeles Magazine. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Donald Strauss was 25 when he took the training in Los Angeles in 1977. He found it to be a profound experience and volunteered to work at the L.A. est center. Eventually, he earned a staff position, was paid $ 700 a month and was put in charge of 45 part-time volunteers. His boss was Joan Rosenberg, Erhard's sister."

Pressman, Steven. (1993). Outrageous Betrayal: The Dark Journey of Werner Erhard from est to Exile. New York: St. Martin's Press. ISBN 0-312-09296-2.

Spaink, Karen. "The Tupperware trade in happiness". XL Magazine. Amsterdam. (August 1, 1999). [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "The connection between Landmark and Werner Erhard (whose real name is John Rosenberg) is strong and proven. Erhard established "EST", a group that acquired a terrible reputation as a result of tyrannical practices (not allowing participants to use the toilet, not allowing people to eat or drink outside times appointed by the leadership, sessions where participants were physically handled) and as a result of scandals involving Erhard personally. EST was later transformed into Landmark and Erhard sold his rights to his employers. Art Schreiber, the current chairman of Landmark, used to be Erhard’s lawyer. Both Erhard’s brother and sister are high up in the organization (Harry and Joan Rosenberg)."

ok figured out how to find the other pages using search operators.

1) go to the standard Google search box.

2) put the title of the thread in QUOTES as a specific phrase, and then use the SITE: operator. In this case you post this into the Google search.

"Werner Erhard family tree" site:forum.culteducation.com


3) that gives you 2 links, if you press the tiny cache arrow beside the second link, you get the second page. The first link gives you the first page.


This process will work for pretty much any thread. The only thing you have to change are the keywords in "quote brackets" which search for the specific words in order.

Quote
The Anticult
the cached info from this link [forum.culteducation.com] is still available at the link below. Copy it before its gone!

[webcache.googleusercontent.com]


Its unfortunate that more threads have not been copied from the Google cache, almost all of them are there, but it takes a little know-how to get at them.

For example, in this case you..

1) copy the original link [forum.culteducation.com]

2) paste that link into the Google search bar, and press search.

3) then you do NOT press the link, but you press the little arrow to the right of the link where it says CACHED

4) press the cached link and you will see the stored page. Immediately copy it, as it can disappear at any moment.


In this case you only get page 1 of the thread. To get page 2, you can do another search using remembered keywords from page 2, and hopefully the link will turn up. You can also copy the link from page 2 from the cached page, and repeat the process above, which may work. In this example it does not work though.


Also, there is another way. You simply post the old link at the end of this link which uses the word "example" as an example.

[webcache.googleusercontent.com]

[webcache.googleusercontent.com]


Most of the threads are saved in the Google cache, but they can be deleted at any moment.

Share this link around the forum, so people can get their threads back if they want.

Retrieving posts from Internet Archive and Google/Bing cache
[forum.culteducation.com]

This is the easiest method, it seems, to paste into Google, which applies to any thread.



"Werner Erhard family tree" page=1 site:forum.culteducation.com

"Werner Erhard family tree" page=2 site:forum.culteducation.com

These excerpts are quoted from an essay published in
"Times They Were a-Changing: Women Remember the '60s & '70s'
edited by Kate Farrell, Linda Joy Myers & Amber Lea Starfire 2013

In the essay, "Getting It", Kate Farrell described her job as volunteer
librarian at Werner Erhard's residence in San Francisco, Franklin House, in the
1970s, back when the business was called Erhard Seminars Training.

“Getting It” by Kate Farrell pp 233-238

"“Then, suddenly, Werner was there, striding quickly across the stairs to me, tall, lean, handsome, in a black leather jacket and his trademark loose slacks, smiling broadly. Landon, his ever-faithful valet, hurried behind him.

"Embracing me like a lover, Werner said with a perfectly cultivated urbanity, “Thank you for working on my library. I love you.” He kissed me on the cheek in his typical, intimate style. He did not meet my eyes, though. Then with a turn and exit out of the front door with Landon, he was gone. I heard Landon lock the door, securing it.

"....Of course I had seen Werner before and spoken to him, but only in public settings in trainings or at a seminars. One of the first Erhard Seminars Training (est) graduates back in early 1973, I loved the four day training...

(Excerpted for brevity--Corboy)

“..Getting access to this exclusive house intrigued me. I was an opportunity to go behind the scenes and read the very books that Werner read. Little did I anticipate how different the Franklin House environment would be from excitement and fun of the seminars at the animated office....

(Excerpted for brevity--Corboy)

"The interviewer seemed 'painfully determined to convey the rules to me.

“There are standards for working in Franklin House” she said, showing me a packet of papers. The most critical is discretion.” …(sentence excerpted) “Werner would not have asked you to assist in his library if he did not trust you” she said with an earnestness that bordered on anxiety. “Please read over these documents first and sign them.”

"Scanning, I quickly signed the protocols and accepted copies in the packet that I was to review and practice. Though this was a new procedure, it seemed reasonable enough for a private residence.

(Corboy note: Excerpts for brevity. There follows a description of Farrell’s task to classify Werners books according to the Dewey Decimal system. Books were to be thus catagorized and shelved. At first, Farrell worked on one collection of books and in a basement office.)

“As time went on, I began to sense an increasing tension. House alarms went off at random times, for “testing” they said. I noticed a tented room along the side of the house that I heard was painted all black and was taboo: the meditation room."I was never to ask about it, much less enter it.

“I was told that all the library books were to be shelved exactly one-quarter inch from the shelfs’ edge and to measure the distance.

“(Farrell resumes) Over the holidays, three elegantly decorated fir trees were removed and replaced because they were dropping needles. What was at first admirable and disciplined was, to me, becoming obsessive or perhaps paranoid.

"After months alone, reading and cataloguing books, taking books home and studying them, having but not sharing my rising suspicions, I began to conclude that the lofty est training was simply a repackaged mix of scientology, Dianetics, mind control, brainwashing, psychocybernetics, with Zen discipline thrown in for a refined veneer.

“While working in the library on a sunny afternoon, I was surprised to see an older man approach me with some printed pamphlets.

“These are so precious to Werner” he said in a kindly voice. “Please preserve them in the library.”

“Certainly” I said and suggested a Princeton pamphlet file.

"The gracious gentleman left and agreed to procure Princeton files.

“When I read the printed material he gave me, I was stunned: it contained simple Dale Carnegie techniques. To me such pop culture was hardly worth the paper. But when I realized how much these superficial tips fit Werner’s actual behavior, I had to admit these tools were a clear contrivance of his and his trainers. I felt disheartened and disappointed.

(Carnegie material is not 'superficial tips'. Charles Manson took classes on Dale Carnegie material while in prison. More about this below - Corboy)

“One day Landon (the faithful valet — note first paragraph - Corboy) gave me permission to locate and catalogue books on the second and third floors. I was curious to see what books might be in the upper, even more private levels of this house.

“When I reached the attic room that was Werner’s personal office, I became uneasy. Just entering such a sacrosanct place by myself was unnerving. It was all white: the shag carpet, the painted walls and attic beams, the furniture. The highest turret windows were hung with white curtains. On shelves in that room were videotapes of Werner’s public speeches for his viewing and refining---narcissistic enough. But it was the collection of specialized dictionaries that caught my attention. In a white bookcase on a sidewall were dictionaries of all types: military, medical, law, rhetoric, science, philosophy, psychology, shelves of them.

“Werner’s fixation with the exact meaning of words and the precise delivery of his own speeches showed me the mechanics of a mastermind. I saw the emperor revealed, and he had no clothes. Werner Erhard was a fabricated illusion."

“Quoted excerpts from Getting It” by Kate Farrell pp 233-238

From "Times They Were a-Changing: Women Remember the '60s & '70s'"
edited by Kate Farrell, Linda Joy Myers & Amber Lea Starfire 2013

Corboy note:

Dale Carnegie's material is not superficial. Carnegie gave detailed advice on how to gain people's trust and cooperation.

[www.the13thfloor.tv]

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Classes based on Carnegie’s book were offered to prisoners to help them become better people. Manson wanted to get people to trust and confide in him, so he used Carnegie’s class to learn how. The book and subsequent course explains how to influence another person by refraining from complaining or criticizing, being honest and appreciative, and getting someone else excited about something that they desire in life.

By making the other person feel important—by appearing genuinely interested in what they do—you can make it easier for them to listen to you. Manson learned that to gain respect from another person one must avoid arguments, let the other person do most of the talking, be positive about their opinions, and ask questions that the other person will answer yes to.

Chapter seven—a chapter on gaining cooperation—was Manson’s favorite.

In the section of the book readers are told that they must let the other person believe that your idea is theirs. This very notion—which Manson reportedly practiced in his cell daily—was beneficial in controlling the young women who would become a part of his family.

Author Jeff Guinn explains how Manson became one of the most dangerous minds in his book, Manson: The Life and Times of Charles Manson.

He wrote that while Manson failed at many things in his life, he excelled in Carnegie’s course because it spoke to him,

“Virtually every word in the Carnegie publications resonated with Charlie. For the first time in his life he was considered an outstanding pupil…[[i]How to Win Friends[/i]] seemed to formally codify all the ways Charlie had manipulated people since childhood.”

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