Werner Erhard family tree
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Date: September 06, 2013 02:42AM
Werner Erhard family tree
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This will be a thread documenting family tree research and genealogy related to Werner Erhard, with the caveat that it is all information gleaned from publicly available sources previously already available elsewhere -- for example the book Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man, The Founding of est (1978), by William Warren Bartley.
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Re: Werner Erhard family tree
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Date: September 06, 2013 03:05AM
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Werner Erhard family tree
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This will be a thread documenting family tree research and genealogy related to Werner Erhard, with the caveat that it is all information gleaned from publicly available sources previously already available elsewhere -- for example the book Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man, The Founding of est (1978), by William Warren Bartley.
The following information is from Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man, The Founding of est (1978), by William Warren Bartley.
Parents:
Werner Erhard was born as Jack Rosenberg at Jefferson Hospital in Philadelphia to parents Joseph Rosenberg and wife Dorothy Rosenberg on September 5, 1935. (Bartley p. 4)
Both Joseph Rosenberg and Dorothy Rosenberg were aged 25 in 1935. (Bartley p. 5)
Nephew:
Norman Danoff was a nephew of Joseph Rosenberg. (Bartley p. 5)
Grandparents:
Joseph Rosenberg was the son of Nathan Rosenberg and Clara Kaufmann Rosenberg. Both his parents were Jewish and had been born in Russia. Nathan Rosenberg emigrated from Russia to the United States and worked as a tailor in Philadelphia. (Bartley p. 5)
Joseph Rosenberg was the fourth child of Nathan Rosenberg and Clara Kaufmann Rosenberg. Clara Kaufmann Rosenberg gave birth to Nathan Rosenberg's first two children in Russia. Their other four children which includes Joseph Rosenberg were born in the U.S. (Bartley p. 5)
Dorothy Rosenberg was Episcopalian. She had ancestors of background from Sweden and England. Her mother was related to Ethan Allen, the famous American Revolutionary War patriot. (Bartley p. 5)
Dorothy Rosenberg's father was William E. Clauson. William E. Clauson was a graduate of Williston Preparatory School in Easthampton, Massachusetts. He took courses for a period at Yale University in Connecticut. (Bartley p. 5)
Dorothy Rosenberg's mother was named Bessie George Clauson. Bessie George Clauson had worked as a teaching instructing students in French. (Bartley p. 5)
Parents marriage:
Joseph Rosenberg married Dorothy Clauson on August 20, 1933. (Bartley p. 6)
In September 1935, Joseph Rosenberg and Dorothy Rosenberg lived on Chestnut Street in West Philadelphia. (Bartley p. 6)
In 1938 Joseph Rosenberg managed a restaurant located at 52nd and Baltimore in West Philadelphia. (Bartley p. 6)
In 1940 Joseph Rosenberg and Dorothy Clauson Rosenberg and Jack Rosenberg moved to City Line Avenue at the corner of Bala Avenue, Bala Cynwyd, Pennsylvania. (Bartley p. 8)
Cousin:
Werner Erhard had a cousin named Don Clauson who resided at the house of William E. Clauson and Bessie George Clauson in Germantown, Philadelphia in 1940. (Bartley p. 8)
Uncle:
Dorothy Clauson Rosenberg had a younger brother named Eddie Clauson who sometimes babysat for Werner Erhard in 1938. (Bartley p. 9)
Father drafted to army:
Werner Erhard's father Joseph Rosenberg was drafted into the U.S. Army in 1942. He was hurt during training and after time in a hospital for six months he recovered at Fort Custer, Michigan. (Bartley p. 10)
Joseph Rosenberg did not return to live with Dorothy Rosenberg and Werner Erhard until approximately over two years after 1943. (Bartley p. 13)
The above information is from Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man, The Founding of est (1978), by William Warren Bartley.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/06/2013 03:06AM by ajinajan.
Re: Werner Erhard family tree
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Date: September 06, 2013 03:12AM
The below information is from Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man, The Founding of est (1978), by William Warren Bartley.
Father's army service:
Joseph Rosenberg finished his army service in Autumn 1945. (Bartley p. 17)
Uncle(s):
Werner Erhard had an uncle named Al Rosenberg. (Bartley p. 17)
Al and Edith Rosenberg are mentioned together in the Acknowledgements section of the book. (Bartley p. 277)
Other Rosenbergs mentioned: Al Rosenberg, Frank Rosenberg, Max Rosenberg. (Bartley p. 17)
Per quote from Norm Danoff:
The above information is from Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man, The Founding of est (1978), by William Warren Bartley.
Father's army service:
Joseph Rosenberg finished his army service in Autumn 1945. (Bartley p. 17)
Uncle(s):
Werner Erhard had an uncle named Al Rosenberg. (Bartley p. 17)
Al and Edith Rosenberg are mentioned together in the Acknowledgements section of the book. (Bartley p. 277)
Other Rosenbergs mentioned: Al Rosenberg, Frank Rosenberg, Max Rosenberg. (Bartley p. 17)
Per quote from Norm Danoff:
Quote
"My father used to get into politics. Joe would talk about religion, and Al Rosenberg would talk about business. Frank was the comedian of the family. ... Max was the audience. He didnt' talk a lot." (Bartley p. 17)
The above information is from Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man, The Founding of est (1978), by William Warren Bartley.
Re: Werner Erhard family tree
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Date: September 06, 2013 03:34AM
The below information is from Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man, The Founding of est (1978), by William Warren Bartley.
Siblings:
Werner Erhard's sister Joan Rosenberg was born approximately 1948. This from above info, and name of sister as Joan Rosenberg from captions of photos in-between pages 130-131. (Bartley pp. 19, 130-131)
Harry Rosenberg - brother of Werner Erhard - born January 1950 in Pennsylvania. (Bartley p. 24)
Nathan Rosenberg - brother of Werner Erhard - born approximately 1952 in Pennsylvania. (Bartley p. 24)
Cousin:
Werner Erhard's cousin Don Clauson joined the United States Navy sometime about early 1950s. (Bartley p. 28)
Girlfriend, later wife:
Patricia Fry - introduced to Werner Erhard's family in 1952. Later married 2nd husband, whom she divorced. As of 1978 book Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man, The Founding of est by William Warren Bartley, she still went by name Pat Campbell. (Bartley p. 32)
Uncle and niece:
Helene Rosenberg - cousin of Werner Erhard. Note that "Sam and Helene Feinberg" are mentioned in the Acnowledgements section of the "Werner Erhard" book by Bartley. (Bartley pp. 33-34, 277)
Frank Rosenberg - Uncle of Werner Erhard, and father of Helene Rosenberg. (Bartley p. 33)
The above information is from Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man, The Founding of est (1978), by William Warren Bartley.
Siblings:
Quote
"In the late summer of 1947, when Werner was twelve, Dorothy became pregnant. ... I was having a hard time with Joe that Werner knew nothing about. I had a crying baby, and a teen-age son who wanted attention." (Bartley p. 19)
Werner Erhard's sister Joan Rosenberg was born approximately 1948. This from above info, and name of sister as Joan Rosenberg from captions of photos in-between pages 130-131. (Bartley pp. 19, 130-131)
Harry Rosenberg - brother of Werner Erhard - born January 1950 in Pennsylvania. (Bartley p. 24)
Nathan Rosenberg - brother of Werner Erhard - born approximately 1952 in Pennsylvania. (Bartley p. 24)
Quote
"Another child, Harry, was born in Janaury 1950 [sic]; and a third, Nathan, was born two years later. In the summer of 1951, Joe and Dorothy bought a house in the new suburb of Plymouth Meeting, near Norristown."
Cousin:
Werner Erhard's cousin Don Clauson joined the United States Navy sometime about early 1950s. (Bartley p. 28)
Girlfriend, later wife:
Patricia Fry - introduced to Werner Erhard's family in 1952. Later married 2nd husband, whom she divorced. As of 1978 book Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man, The Founding of est by William Warren Bartley, she still went by name Pat Campbell. (Bartley p. 32)
Uncle and niece:
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"He took her to see Helene, one of his favorite cousins, Joe's niece, the daughter of his brother Frank." (Bartley p. 33)
Helene Rosenberg - cousin of Werner Erhard. Note that "Sam and Helene Feinberg" are mentioned in the Acnowledgements section of the "Werner Erhard" book by Bartley. (Bartley pp. 33-34, 277)
Frank Rosenberg - Uncle of Werner Erhard, and father of Helene Rosenberg. (Bartley p. 33)
The above information is from Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man, The Founding of est (1978), by William Warren Bartley.
Re: Werner Erhard family tree
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Date: September 07, 2013 02:51AM
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Re: Werner Erhard family tree
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Date: September 07, 2013 02:53AM
The below information is from Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man, The Founding of est (1978), by William Warren Bartley.
Siblings:
Werner Erhard's sister Joan Rosenberg was 5 years old in 1953, therefore birth year approximately 1948. (Bartley pp. 35, 52)
Cousins:
In the early 1950s Werner Erhard's cousins, siblings Norm Danoff and Anita Danoff, lived in Atlantic City, New Jersey. (Bartley p. 37)
Uncle:
Werner Erhard had an uncle named Jim Clauson, brother of his mother Dorothy Selma Clauson Rosenberg. (Bartley p. 38)
Marriage:
Werner Erhard, as Jack Rosenberg, married Patricia Fry at her church, Trinity Evangelical and Reformed Church, on September 26, 1953. (Bartley p. 38)
Werner Erhard, as Jack Rosenberg, lived with Patricia Fry Rosenberg in 1953 on Washington Lane, Germantown, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. (Bartley p. 40)
Clare Rosenberg - 1st child of Werner Erhard, daughter of Werner Erhard and Patricia Fry Rosenberg - was born March 13, 1954 in Philadelphia. (Bartley p. 40)
Lynn Rosenberg - 2nd child of Werner Erhard, daughter of Werner Erhard and Patricia Fry Rosenberg - was born in March 1955 in Pennsylvania while Werner Erhard and Patricia Fry Rosenberg were living with her parents in Norristown, Pennsylvania.
1958 - while working for Lincln Mercury business as car salesman, Werner Erhard, known at the time as Jack Rosenberg, used name Jack Frost to sell cars. (Bartley pp. 42-43)
Summer 1958 - Werner Erhard, as Jack Rosenberg, and wife Patricia Fry Rosenberg, move to Riverton, New Jersey. (Bartley p. 46)
John Paul Rosenberg, Jr. - 3rd child of Werner Erhard, son of Werner Erhard and Patricia Fry Rosenberg - born in November 1958 while his paretns were living in Riverton, New Jersey. (Bartley p. 46)
January 1959 - Werner Erhard, as Jack Rosenberg, meets June Bryde in Philadelphia. (Bartley p. 46)
Spring 1959 - Werner Erhard, as Jack Rosenberg, arranges for his family to move to Hatboro, Pennsylvania -- so he can be closer to June Bryde who at the time was living with her parents in Philadelphia. (Bartley p. 46)
Summer 1959 - Dorothy Rosenberg, Werner Erhard's mother, gets bill from florist billed to Jack Frost for flowers for June Bryde. (Bartley pp. 47-48)
Deborah Rosenberg - also referred to in book as Debbie Rosenberg - 4th child of Werner Erhard, son of Werner Erhard and Patricia Fry Rosenberg - born December 25, 1959 at a hospital in Abington Township, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. (Bartley p. 51)
Aunt:
Kitty Clauson - aunt of Werner Erhard, wife of James Clauson - interviewed by William Warren Bartley in 1978. (Bartley p. 51)
Departure of Jack Rosenberg:
May 24, 1960 - Patricia Fry Rosenberg receives a phone call from the mother of June Bryde mother asking as to her whereabouts because she had left home and all her clothes and her suitcases were gone. After that, the brother of June Bryde came over to visit with Patricia Fry Rosenberg to talk to her. Later that day, the brother of June Bryde, and Patricia Fry Rosenberg, and Werner Erhard met together to talk about where June Bryde could be. (Bartley pp. 52-53)
May 25, 1960 - Werner Erhard, as Jack Rosenberg, leaves his family to be with June Bryde. (Bartley pp. 52-53)
The above information is from Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man, The Founding of est (1978), by William Warren Bartley.
Siblings:
Werner Erhard's sister Joan Rosenberg was 5 years old in 1953, therefore birth year approximately 1948. (Bartley pp. 35, 52)
Cousins:
In the early 1950s Werner Erhard's cousins, siblings Norm Danoff and Anita Danoff, lived in Atlantic City, New Jersey. (Bartley p. 37)
Uncle:
Werner Erhard had an uncle named Jim Clauson, brother of his mother Dorothy Selma Clauson Rosenberg. (Bartley p. 38)
Marriage:
Werner Erhard, as Jack Rosenberg, married Patricia Fry at her church, Trinity Evangelical and Reformed Church, on September 26, 1953. (Bartley p. 38)
Werner Erhard, as Jack Rosenberg, lived with Patricia Fry Rosenberg in 1953 on Washington Lane, Germantown, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. (Bartley p. 40)
Clare Rosenberg - 1st child of Werner Erhard, daughter of Werner Erhard and Patricia Fry Rosenberg - was born March 13, 1954 in Philadelphia. (Bartley p. 40)
Lynn Rosenberg - 2nd child of Werner Erhard, daughter of Werner Erhard and Patricia Fry Rosenberg - was born in March 1955 in Pennsylvania while Werner Erhard and Patricia Fry Rosenberg were living with her parents in Norristown, Pennsylvania.
1958 - while working for Lincln Mercury business as car salesman, Werner Erhard, known at the time as Jack Rosenberg, used name Jack Frost to sell cars. (Bartley pp. 42-43)
Summer 1958 - Werner Erhard, as Jack Rosenberg, and wife Patricia Fry Rosenberg, move to Riverton, New Jersey. (Bartley p. 46)
John Paul Rosenberg, Jr. - 3rd child of Werner Erhard, son of Werner Erhard and Patricia Fry Rosenberg - born in November 1958 while his paretns were living in Riverton, New Jersey. (Bartley p. 46)
January 1959 - Werner Erhard, as Jack Rosenberg, meets June Bryde in Philadelphia. (Bartley p. 46)
Spring 1959 - Werner Erhard, as Jack Rosenberg, arranges for his family to move to Hatboro, Pennsylvania -- so he can be closer to June Bryde who at the time was living with her parents in Philadelphia. (Bartley p. 46)
Summer 1959 - Dorothy Rosenberg, Werner Erhard's mother, gets bill from florist billed to Jack Frost for flowers for June Bryde. (Bartley pp. 47-48)
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"Then the strangest thing happened," Dorothy told me. "I got a bill from my florist. For flowers. I hadn't sent any, so I called them. They told me that Jack Frost had bought the flowers. I asked where they had gone. 'Well we thought it odd,' they replied, 'that Jack Frost sent flowers to June Bryde.' Both of them sounded like fictitious names. The florist gave me June Bryde's address." (Bartley pp. 47-48)
Deborah Rosenberg - also referred to in book as Debbie Rosenberg - 4th child of Werner Erhard, son of Werner Erhard and Patricia Fry Rosenberg - born December 25, 1959 at a hospital in Abington Township, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. (Bartley p. 51)
Aunt:
Kitty Clauson - aunt of Werner Erhard, wife of James Clauson - interviewed by William Warren Bartley in 1978. (Bartley p. 51)
Departure of Jack Rosenberg:
May 24, 1960 - Patricia Fry Rosenberg receives a phone call from the mother of June Bryde mother asking as to her whereabouts because she had left home and all her clothes and her suitcases were gone. After that, the brother of June Bryde came over to visit with Patricia Fry Rosenberg to talk to her. Later that day, the brother of June Bryde, and Patricia Fry Rosenberg, and Werner Erhard met together to talk about where June Bryde could be. (Bartley pp. 52-53)
May 25, 1960 - Werner Erhard, as Jack Rosenberg, leaves his family to be with June Bryde. (Bartley pp. 52-53)
The above information is from Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man, The Founding of est (1978), by William Warren Bartley.
Re: Werner Erhard family tree
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Date: September 07, 2013 02:55AM
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Re: Werner Erhard family tree
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Date: September 07, 2013 02:56AM
Werner Erhard family tree
Thought it would be useful reference information to have a Werner Erhard family tree posted here, this info will be referenced to publicly available sources and noted as such here:
Parents of Werner Erhard = Joe and Dorothy Rosenberg. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Joseph and Dorothy Rosenberg = both were aged 25 in year 1935, therefore both were born approximately 1910. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Werner Erhard = born as Jack Rosenberg on September 5, 1935 at 11:25pm at Jefferson Hospital in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Jack Rosenberg was named after a brother of his father who had already passed away prior to his birth. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Norman Danoff = nephew of Joseph Rosenberg. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Joseph Rosenberg = Jewish, son of a tailor who had come to the United States from Russia. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Joseph Rosenberg's father = Nathan Rosenberg, born in Russia. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Joseph Rosenberg's mother = Clara Kaufmann, born in Russia. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Joseph Rosenberg = 4th descendant of Nathan Rosenberg and Clara Kaufmann, their prior 2 descendants were born in Russia; Joseph Rosenberg and 3 other children of Nathan Rosenberg and Clara Kaufmann were born in the United States. Therefore there were 6 total children of Nathan Rosenberg and Clara Kaufmann. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Dorothy Rosenberg = daughter of William E. Clauson and Bessie George. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Dorothy Rosenberg's father = William E. Clauson was a graduate of Williston Preparatory School, Easthampton, Massachusetts; he studied briefly at Yale. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Dorothy Rosenberg's mother = Bessie George = worked as a French teacher. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Bessie George = related to Ethan Allen, early United States politician. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Works cited:
Bartley, William Warren, III. Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man: The Founding of est. (1978). New York: Clarkson N. Potter, Inc.
Thought it would be useful reference information to have a Werner Erhard family tree posted here, this info will be referenced to publicly available sources and noted as such here:
Parents of Werner Erhard = Joe and Dorothy Rosenberg. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Joseph and Dorothy Rosenberg = both were aged 25 in year 1935, therefore both were born approximately 1910. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Werner Erhard = born as Jack Rosenberg on September 5, 1935 at 11:25pm at Jefferson Hospital in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Jack Rosenberg was named after a brother of his father who had already passed away prior to his birth. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Norman Danoff = nephew of Joseph Rosenberg. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Joseph Rosenberg = Jewish, son of a tailor who had come to the United States from Russia. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Joseph Rosenberg's father = Nathan Rosenberg, born in Russia. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Joseph Rosenberg's mother = Clara Kaufmann, born in Russia. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Joseph Rosenberg = 4th descendant of Nathan Rosenberg and Clara Kaufmann, their prior 2 descendants were born in Russia; Joseph Rosenberg and 3 other children of Nathan Rosenberg and Clara Kaufmann were born in the United States. Therefore there were 6 total children of Nathan Rosenberg and Clara Kaufmann. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Dorothy Rosenberg = daughter of William E. Clauson and Bessie George. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Dorothy Rosenberg's father = William E. Clauson was a graduate of Williston Preparatory School, Easthampton, Massachusetts; he studied briefly at Yale. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Dorothy Rosenberg's mother = Bessie George = worked as a French teacher. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Bessie George = related to Ethan Allen, early United States politician. (1978 Bartley, pp. 4-5)
Works cited:
Bartley, William Warren, III. Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man: The Founding of est. (1978). New York: Clarkson N. Potter, Inc.
Re: Werner Erhard family tree
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Date: September 07, 2013 02:56AM
Barbara Clauson = sister of Dorothy Clauson Rosenberg. (1978 Bartley, pp. 5-9)
Joseph Rosenberg and Dorothy Clauson Rosenberg = married August 20, 1933. A Jewish Rabbi married them in a synagogue. By 1938, Joseph Rosenberg had become a fundamentalist Christian. (1978 Bartley, pp. 5-9)
Werner Erhard, as his original birth name Jack Rosenberg, was baptized as John Paul Rosenberg. (1978 Bartley, pp. 5-9)
Don Clauson = cousin of Werner Erhard, in 1941 lived with Werner Erhard's grandparents William E. Clauson and Bessie George Clauson. (1978 Bartley, pp. 5-9)
Eddie Clauson = younger brother of Dorothy Clauson Rosenberg. (1978 Bartley, pp. 5-9)
Al Rosenberg = brother of Joseph Rosenberg. Other relatives = Max Rosenberg and Frank Rosenberg. (1978 Bartley, pp 18-19)
Joan Rosenberg = sister of Werner Erhard. Daughter of Joseph Rosenberg and Dorothy Clauson Rosenberg. Born in May 1948. (1978 Bartley, pp 18-19)
Joan Rosenberg = involved as a staff member of Werner Erhard's awareness training companies. (1988 MacNamara)
Joan Rosenberg = member of the Board of Directors of Landmark Education. (1998 Hukill)
Works cited:
Bartley, William Warren, III. Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man: The Founding of est. (1978). New York: Clarkson N. Potter, Inc.
Hukill, Tracy. "The est of Friends: Werner Erhard's protégés and siblings carry the torch for a '90s incarnation of the '70s 'training' that some of us just didn't get". (July 9, 1998). Metro News. San Francisco. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Landmark says that Erhard has nothing to do with The Forum. But the license Landmark obtained from Erhard enabling them to produce The Forum is in fact owned by Erhard, and is scheduled to revert to him in 2009. Erhard's 63 now and is assured 50 percent of Landmark's net pre-tax profit each quarter, not to exceed $15 million in the 18-year lifespan of the license. Furthermore, Erhard's brother, Harry Rosenberg, is currently Landmark's CEO, and sister Joan Rosenberg is listed as a director."
MacNamara, Mark. "The Return of Werner Erhard: Guru II". (May 1988) Los Angeles Magazine. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Donald Strauss was 25 when he took the training in Los Angeles in 1977. He found it to be a profound experience and volunteered to work at the L.A. est center. Eventually, he earned a staff position, was paid $ 700 a month and was put in charge of 45 part-time volunteers. His boss was Joan Rosenberg, Erhard's sister."
Spaink, Karen. "The Tupperware trade in happiness". XL Magazine. Amsterdam. (August 1, 1999). [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "The connection between Landmark and Werner Erhard (whose real name is John Rosenberg) is strong and proven. Erhard established "EST", a group that acquired a terrible reputation as a result of tyrannical practices (not allowing participants to use the toilet, not allowing people to eat or drink outside times appointed by the leadership, sessions where participants were physically handled) and as a result of scandals involving Erhard personally. EST was later transformed into Landmark and Erhard sold his rights to his employers. Art Schreiber, the current chairman of Landmark, used to be Erhard’s lawyer. Both Erhard’s brother and sister are high up in the organization (Harry and Joan Rosenberg)."
Joseph Rosenberg and Dorothy Clauson Rosenberg = married August 20, 1933. A Jewish Rabbi married them in a synagogue. By 1938, Joseph Rosenberg had become a fundamentalist Christian. (1978 Bartley, pp. 5-9)
Werner Erhard, as his original birth name Jack Rosenberg, was baptized as John Paul Rosenberg. (1978 Bartley, pp. 5-9)
Don Clauson = cousin of Werner Erhard, in 1941 lived with Werner Erhard's grandparents William E. Clauson and Bessie George Clauson. (1978 Bartley, pp. 5-9)
Eddie Clauson = younger brother of Dorothy Clauson Rosenberg. (1978 Bartley, pp. 5-9)
Al Rosenberg = brother of Joseph Rosenberg. Other relatives = Max Rosenberg and Frank Rosenberg. (1978 Bartley, pp 18-19)
Joan Rosenberg = sister of Werner Erhard. Daughter of Joseph Rosenberg and Dorothy Clauson Rosenberg. Born in May 1948. (1978 Bartley, pp 18-19)
Joan Rosenberg = involved as a staff member of Werner Erhard's awareness training companies. (1988 MacNamara)
Joan Rosenberg = member of the Board of Directors of Landmark Education. (1998 Hukill)
Works cited:
Bartley, William Warren, III. Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man: The Founding of est. (1978). New York: Clarkson N. Potter, Inc.
Hukill, Tracy. "The est of Friends: Werner Erhard's protégés and siblings carry the torch for a '90s incarnation of the '70s 'training' that some of us just didn't get". (July 9, 1998). Metro News. San Francisco. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Landmark says that Erhard has nothing to do with The Forum. But the license Landmark obtained from Erhard enabling them to produce The Forum is in fact owned by Erhard, and is scheduled to revert to him in 2009. Erhard's 63 now and is assured 50 percent of Landmark's net pre-tax profit each quarter, not to exceed $15 million in the 18-year lifespan of the license. Furthermore, Erhard's brother, Harry Rosenberg, is currently Landmark's CEO, and sister Joan Rosenberg is listed as a director."
MacNamara, Mark. "The Return of Werner Erhard: Guru II". (May 1988) Los Angeles Magazine. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Donald Strauss was 25 when he took the training in Los Angeles in 1977. He found it to be a profound experience and volunteered to work at the L.A. est center. Eventually, he earned a staff position, was paid $ 700 a month and was put in charge of 45 part-time volunteers. His boss was Joan Rosenberg, Erhard's sister."
Spaink, Karen. "The Tupperware trade in happiness". XL Magazine. Amsterdam. (August 1, 1999). [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "The connection between Landmark and Werner Erhard (whose real name is John Rosenberg) is strong and proven. Erhard established "EST", a group that acquired a terrible reputation as a result of tyrannical practices (not allowing participants to use the toilet, not allowing people to eat or drink outside times appointed by the leadership, sessions where participants were physically handled) and as a result of scandals involving Erhard personally. EST was later transformed into Landmark and Erhard sold his rights to his employers. Art Schreiber, the current chairman of Landmark, used to be Erhard’s lawyer. Both Erhard’s brother and sister are high up in the organization (Harry and Joan Rosenberg)."
Re: Werner Erhard family tree
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Joan Rosenberg = sister of Werner Erhard. Daughter of Joseph Rosenberg and Dorothy Clauson Rosenberg. Born in May 1948. (1978 Bartley, pp 18-19)
Joan Rosenberg = involved as a staff member of Werner Erhard's awareness training companies. (1988 MacNamara)
Joan Rosenberg = worked in the staff for EST the company of Werner Erhard known as Erhard Seminars Training. (1993 Pressman, p. 55.)
Joan Rosenberg = member of the Board of Directors of Landmark Education. (1998 Hukill)
Harry Rosenberg = brother of Werner Erhard. Son of Joseph Rosenberg and Dorothy Clauson Rosenberg. Born January 1950. (1978 Bartley, pp 24-25)
Harry Rosenberg = CEO of Landmark Education. (1998 Hukill)
Harry Rosenberg = at age of 23 in 1973, Harry Rosenberg moved form Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to San Francisco, California to start work for EST the company of Werner Erhard known as Erhard Seminars Training. (1993 Pressman, p. 55.)
Harry Rosenberg = first became CEO of "The Forum", before even beginning role as CEO of Landmark Education: "On January 14, 1991, Erhard agreed to sell his New Age enterprise to a group of his most loyal employees, among them his brother Harry, Forum leader Steve Zaffron and others. In doing so, Erhard rejected a competing bid to purchase the operation put together by a group led by Don Cox and Bob Curtis. One day later Erhard relieved Cox of his duties as chief executive officer and turned the position over to Harry Rosenberg." (1993 Presman, p. 253.)
Nathan Rosenberg = brother of Werner Erhard. Son of Joseph Rosenberg and Dorothy Clauson Rosenberg. Born approximately 1952. (1978 Bartley, pp 24-25)
Nathan Rosenberg = "moved to Southern California, where he worked in real estate investment and management consulting while playing a prominent volunteer role in est." (1993 Pressman, p. 55.)
Nathan Rosenberg = began a failed bid for U.S. Congress after announcement of his run against incumbent Congressman Robert Badham in March 1986. "Nathan, who bore a striking resemblance to his famous older brother, for years had been deeply involved in est and the Hunger Project but tried to play down those connections during his campaign. His opponent, an incumbent congressman named Robert Badham, was quick to remind voters about Rosenberg's ties to Erhard and how that might affect his role in Congress. "I imagine that would be the outreach for power [and] the tenets of the est program, to create a different world by mind revolution," Badham told reporters during the campaign. Erhard remained on the sidelines during his brother's campaign, though Rosenberg relied extensively on est-training campaign volunteers along with financial contributions from several Erhard staff members and supporters. On election day conservative Orange County voters gave Badham a huge victory over Rosenberg, who tried to win the same congressional seat two years later after Badham announced his retirement. Once again Rosenberg was attacked as an "est advocate" who tried to conceal his ties to his controversial brother. Once again Rosenberg went down to defeat -- ending his political ambitions and frustrating Werner Erhard's own private desire for increased political influence." (1993 Pressman, pp. 221-223.)
Works cited:
Bartley, William Warren, III. Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man: The Founding of est. (1978). New York: Clarkson N. Potter, Inc.
Hukill, Tracy. "The est of Friends: Werner Erhard's protégés and siblings carry the torch for a '90s incarnation of the '70s 'training' that some of us just didn't get". (July 9, 1998). Metro News. San Francisco. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Landmark says that Erhard has nothing to do with The Forum. But the license Landmark obtained from Erhard enabling them to produce The Forum is in fact owned by Erhard, and is scheduled to revert to him in 2009. Erhard's 63 now and is assured 50 percent of Landmark's net pre-tax profit each quarter, not to exceed $15 million in the 18-year lifespan of the license. Furthermore, Erhard's brother, Harry Rosenberg, is currently Landmark's CEO, and sister Joan Rosenberg is listed as a director."
MacNamara, Mark. "The Return of Werner Erhard: Guru II". (May 1988) Los Angeles Magazine. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Donald Strauss was 25 when he took the training in Los Angeles in 1977. He found it to be a profound experience and volunteered to work at the L.A. est center. Eventually, he earned a staff position, was paid $ 700 a month and was put in charge of 45 part-time volunteers. His boss was Joan Rosenberg, Erhard's sister."
Pressman, Steven. (1993). Outrageous Betrayal: The Dark Journey of Werner Erhard from est to Exile. New York: St. Martin's Press. ISBN 0-312-09296-2.
Spaink, Karen. "The Tupperware trade in happiness". XL Magazine. Amsterdam. (August 1, 1999). [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "The connection between Landmark and Werner Erhard (whose real name is John Rosenberg) is strong and proven. Erhard established "EST", a group that acquired a terrible reputation as a result of tyrannical practices (not allowing participants to use the toilet, not allowing people to eat or drink outside times appointed by the leadership, sessions where participants were physically handled) and as a result of scandals involving Erhard personally. EST was later transformed into Landmark and Erhard sold his rights to his employers. Art Schreiber, the current chairman of Landmark, used to be Erhard’s lawyer. Both Erhard’s brother and sister are high up in the organization (Harry and Joan Rosenberg)."
Joan Rosenberg = involved as a staff member of Werner Erhard's awareness training companies. (1988 MacNamara)
Joan Rosenberg = worked in the staff for EST the company of Werner Erhard known as Erhard Seminars Training. (1993 Pressman, p. 55.)
Joan Rosenberg = member of the Board of Directors of Landmark Education. (1998 Hukill)
Harry Rosenberg = brother of Werner Erhard. Son of Joseph Rosenberg and Dorothy Clauson Rosenberg. Born January 1950. (1978 Bartley, pp 24-25)
Harry Rosenberg = CEO of Landmark Education. (1998 Hukill)
Harry Rosenberg = at age of 23 in 1973, Harry Rosenberg moved form Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to San Francisco, California to start work for EST the company of Werner Erhard known as Erhard Seminars Training. (1993 Pressman, p. 55.)
Harry Rosenberg = first became CEO of "The Forum", before even beginning role as CEO of Landmark Education: "On January 14, 1991, Erhard agreed to sell his New Age enterprise to a group of his most loyal employees, among them his brother Harry, Forum leader Steve Zaffron and others. In doing so, Erhard rejected a competing bid to purchase the operation put together by a group led by Don Cox and Bob Curtis. One day later Erhard relieved Cox of his duties as chief executive officer and turned the position over to Harry Rosenberg." (1993 Presman, p. 253.)
Nathan Rosenberg = brother of Werner Erhard. Son of Joseph Rosenberg and Dorothy Clauson Rosenberg. Born approximately 1952. (1978 Bartley, pp 24-25)
Nathan Rosenberg = "moved to Southern California, where he worked in real estate investment and management consulting while playing a prominent volunteer role in est." (1993 Pressman, p. 55.)
Nathan Rosenberg = began a failed bid for U.S. Congress after announcement of his run against incumbent Congressman Robert Badham in March 1986. "Nathan, who bore a striking resemblance to his famous older brother, for years had been deeply involved in est and the Hunger Project but tried to play down those connections during his campaign. His opponent, an incumbent congressman named Robert Badham, was quick to remind voters about Rosenberg's ties to Erhard and how that might affect his role in Congress. "I imagine that would be the outreach for power [and] the tenets of the est program, to create a different world by mind revolution," Badham told reporters during the campaign. Erhard remained on the sidelines during his brother's campaign, though Rosenberg relied extensively on est-training campaign volunteers along with financial contributions from several Erhard staff members and supporters. On election day conservative Orange County voters gave Badham a huge victory over Rosenberg, who tried to win the same congressional seat two years later after Badham announced his retirement. Once again Rosenberg was attacked as an "est advocate" who tried to conceal his ties to his controversial brother. Once again Rosenberg went down to defeat -- ending his political ambitions and frustrating Werner Erhard's own private desire for increased political influence." (1993 Pressman, pp. 221-223.)
Works cited:
Bartley, William Warren, III. Werner Erhard: The Transformation of a Man: The Founding of est. (1978). New York: Clarkson N. Potter, Inc.
Hukill, Tracy. "The est of Friends: Werner Erhard's protégés and siblings carry the torch for a '90s incarnation of the '70s 'training' that some of us just didn't get". (July 9, 1998). Metro News. San Francisco. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Landmark says that Erhard has nothing to do with The Forum. But the license Landmark obtained from Erhard enabling them to produce The Forum is in fact owned by Erhard, and is scheduled to revert to him in 2009. Erhard's 63 now and is assured 50 percent of Landmark's net pre-tax profit each quarter, not to exceed $15 million in the 18-year lifespan of the license. Furthermore, Erhard's brother, Harry Rosenberg, is currently Landmark's CEO, and sister Joan Rosenberg is listed as a director."
MacNamara, Mark. "The Return of Werner Erhard: Guru II". (May 1988) Los Angeles Magazine. [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "Donald Strauss was 25 when he took the training in Los Angeles in 1977. He found it to be a profound experience and volunteered to work at the L.A. est center. Eventually, he earned a staff position, was paid $ 700 a month and was put in charge of 45 part-time volunteers. His boss was Joan Rosenberg, Erhard's sister."
Pressman, Steven. (1993). Outrageous Betrayal: The Dark Journey of Werner Erhard from est to Exile. New York: St. Martin's Press. ISBN 0-312-09296-2.
Spaink, Karen. "The Tupperware trade in happiness". XL Magazine. Amsterdam. (August 1, 1999). [www.culteducation.com] Quote from article: "The connection between Landmark and Werner Erhard (whose real name is John Rosenberg) is strong and proven. Erhard established "EST", a group that acquired a terrible reputation as a result of tyrannical practices (not allowing participants to use the toilet, not allowing people to eat or drink outside times appointed by the leadership, sessions where participants were physically handled) and as a result of scandals involving Erhard personally. EST was later transformed into Landmark and Erhard sold his rights to his employers. Art Schreiber, the current chairman of Landmark, used to be Erhard’s lawyer. Both Erhard’s brother and sister are high up in the organization (Harry and Joan Rosenberg)."
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