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The arguement you make, makes no sense. So if Foursquare does take action against Scribner because of the updates here on the web site, then I am not bitter or a gossiper?

Forgive me, in re-reading my post I definitely did not state this as clearly as I could have. I was not trying to imply that lack of action, or rejection of action by the denomination, was what brought the tone of bitterness or gossip. I think the "he said, she said" portions of this thread just rub me the wrong way.

Your personal testimony is powerful, and helped me put my finger on many things I had been feeling for years (as have those of others). Hearsay lacks the credibility of personal testimony. Reading posts of “Jane Doe says that…” Made me feel like a middle-aged house-wife reading The Enquirer in the supermarket – trying to get the dirt, but not necessarily having the credible source.

In short: I think we can agree that the Four Square is going to do nothing. Others will find this site and add their personal testimony, thus 2+2=”4” - or in this case “cult”. As such, I personally believe that our efforts are better spent in prayer for those still there, and in building/maintaining personal relationships with those still there, and God willing seeing them free of The Lighthouse Church.

on my short list of things to do before i die is to sit in the front row of the santa monica foursquare church and call it home again.

i see a few events that might let that happen.

1) the passing on of wayman mitchell. wayman's fatal flaw is that he has groomed no one to take his place. there will be a short circling of the wagons, followed by civil war. the collateral damage will leave countless cfm churches twisting in the wind.

2) the passing of harold warner. i see this as a small earthquake that will set larger things in motion.

3) rob's propensity to shoot himself in the foot. he will do the same things day in, day out, expecting different results. is not this the definition of insanity?

4) perhaps, and this is the long shot, but God Himself may pull the plug. or maybe not. the spiritual temperature of the lighthouse falls somewhere between a nightclub and a birthday party.

5) or maybe the universe is being controlled by reptilians who take pleasure in making us earthlings run back and forth trying to figure this all out.

:D

I ran into very nice Lighthouse person the other day, she doesn't believe in the shunning doctrine that they preach there - ha ha ha ha! Anyways she said that the Wayman Mitchell video they put on the web site recently has made a few people in the church upset. Quite a few people there don't like the guy. Mitchell really sets off the women, he is chauvenistic and very derrogatory when he speaks about them in general. I have been reading the other web sites about Mitchell and have learn he can very nasty from the pulpit. He believes there is some sort of spiritual conspiracy by the female race that intends to bring down pastors through adulterous liasons intentionally setup by these women. This conspiracy is worldwide and threatens his global church empire, so he is constantly pining about these so-called pastor killers. Obviously this lunatic dogma is consumed by the faithful as gospel truth and then revomitted on innocent victims.

So if you want to see the boring video of Mitchell here you go:
[www.lighthousechurch.com]

FYI, Scribner is having a conference of some sort this weekend. Harold Warner, a Mitchell devotee, is preaching there. To all those who say Scribner is changing and becoming more Foursquare, you are lying to yourself. Scribner wants the cult of Mitchell to have a base of operations in Santa Monica. That is why he has these Mitchell worshipers come and indoctrinate you with their twisted theology.

[www.lighthousechurch.com]

Scribner needs to take a lesson from Haggard. All that crap that has been covered up is going to be revealed. God's word promises it.

At the same time that The Lighthouse has thier annual "Let's Pat each other on the back" session(s) this past weekend...John got married!!! So while Bill Niel and Rob told the congregation about how the saved the Hesperia church and patted each other on the back...The Man that they back stabbed and robbed...Was Broke FREE from everything that is CFM. PRAISE GOD!!! Yes Bill and Rob continue to tell thier sheep lies about John to salvage thier churches (Not Christ's). PASTORS DONT LIE AND SLANDER ANOTHER MAN OF GOD FROM THE PULPIT, TO BUILD THE BODY...RIGHT? Congrats to John for a new free life!!!

The Darth Vader of CFM Harold Warner, is having a Revival there in Heesperia. Usually The "Big Dogs" dont come out unless there is gonna be a big fall out or A leader is struggling. I was in that Congregation for awhile, and I remember him coming twice...Once when CFM had that fall out in 98-00 and last year...when Johns wife died. Emperor Mitchell usaully sends his apprentice "For a revival" when The congregation is struggling.

Hopefully Some of those people see what CFM is all about...CONTROLL!!!

Thank you Free Agent for the update about John getting married. I hope that he and his new wife enjoy this new adventure. Thank God for spiritual freedom from religious frauds who seek to dominate people's lives with a false gospel of works and slavery to churchianity.

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At the same time that The Lighthouse has thier annual "Let's Pat each other on the back" session(s) this past weekend...John got married!!! So while Bill Niel and Rob told the congregation about how the saved the Hesperia church and patted each other on the back...The Man that they back stabbed and robbed...Was Broke FREE from everything that is CFM. PRAISE GOD!!! Yes Bill and Rob continue to tell thier sheep lies about John to salvage thier churches (Not Christ's). PASTORS DONT LIE AND SLANDER ANOTHER MAN OF GOD FROM THE PULPIT, TO BUILD THE BODY...RIGHT? Congrats to John for a new free life!!!

Free Agent, you have picked up on a real truth here. These "revivals" are just times to reindoctrinate people into the CFM way. I remember some of my conversations with a few exLighthouse friends and they would say that Scribner would have these revivals virtually every month. He wanted wear people down emotionally and mentally to make them only think about the church and the church's activities. It had nothing to with God or Jesus, it was just get people to do Scribner's agenda. What a sick and pathetic mind!

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The Darth Vader of CFM Harold Warner, is having a Revival there in Heesperia. Usually The "Big Dogs" dont come out unless there is gonna be a big fall out or A leader is struggling. I was in that Congregation for awhile, and I remember him coming twice...Once when CFM had that fall out in 98-00 and last year...when Johns wife died. Emperor Mitchell usaully sends his apprentice "For a revival" when The congregation is struggling.

Hopefully Some of those people see what CFM is all about...CONTROLL!!!

Gordon McDonald recently wrote this on Christianity Today website in response to Ted Haggard's recent fall from grace. However, after reading these couple of paragraphs, I clearly see another who has these exact same evil traits. I will give you a guess who I am talking about, his initials are RS.


What to watch for

When I see a leader who becomes stubborn and rigid, who is increasingly less compassionate toward his adversaries, increasingly tyrannical in his own organization, who rouses anger and arrogance in others, I wonder if he is not generating all of this heat because he is trying so hard to say "no" to something surging deep within his own soul.

Are his words and deeds not so much directed against an enemy "out there" as they are against a much more cunning enemy within his own soul. More than once I have visited with pastors who have spent hours immersed in pornography and then gone on to preach their most "spirit-filled" sermons against immorality a day or two later. It's a disconnect that boggles the rational mind.

No amount of accountability seems to be adequate to contain a person living with such inner conflict. Neither can it contain a person who needs continuous adrenalin highs to trump the highs of yesterday. Maybe this is one of the geniuses of Jesus: he knew when to stop, how to refuse the cocktail of privilege, fame, and applause that distorts one's ability to think wisely and to master self.

More than once we've seen the truth of a person's life come out, not all at once, but in a series of disclosures, each an admission of further culpability which had been denied just a day or two before. Perhaps inability to tell the full truth is a sign that one is actually lying to himself and cannot face the full truth of the behavior in his own soul.

But then all sin begins with lies told to oneself.

The cardinal lies of a failed leader? I give and give and give in this position; I deserve special privileges—perhaps even the privilege of living above the rules. Or, I have enough charm and enough smooth words that I can talk anything (even my innocence) into reality. Or, so much of my life is lived above the line of holiness that I can be excused this one little faux pas. Or, I have done so much for these people; now it's their time to do something for me—like forgiving me and giving a second chance.[/color:c44240b6be]

Rob is just lying to himself that everything is OK and that because he is a "pastor" he has the right to hurt people in the name of God. He is self deceived and living a lie.