Re: R.B. Thieme Jr., Berachah Church Houston, Robert B. Thieme Jr.
Date: August 30, 2009 02:45PM
No. Absolutely not. The evidence I used was his own analysis as it contradicts itself. I enjoy reading something written by someone and finding the holes within the parameters they themselves create or impress. I wrote all of this before I read or even knew about Sodoni. In my posts I simply quoted myself from old emails sent to Theimites. I can provide the dates but I provided the broad date before the quotes section.
I failed however in my Pseudoscience to reference The Integrity of God. First in his "analysis" he says God breaths life into us and defines God as Ultimate Perfection, Righteousness and Love, would breath life into humans, and yet we are spiritual dead and seperated from God because of our Sin Nature. Ergo my reference to Bad Breath. His "science" then necessitates the need for "Saving Grace" based on his formula he sets up not the truth. He sets up the equation and then after the fact requires "Saving Perfect Grace" dependent on Imperfection which negates Perfection on a flawed premise after defining God as Perfect Righteousness, Justice, and Love.
A - Perfect God breaths life into us + We are Spiritually Dead and Evil inheriting a Sin Nature from Adam and totally Seperated from God (dualism) (even though he breaths life into us) = Necessity of Salvation through God's Grace for God to be connected to us in a personal way, as spiritually dead matter.
God is not Perfect Benevolence, Righteous, Just, or Love based on the Colonel's Jr. High Linear Algebra which does not balance out. God is a "bumbling lab technician" doing damage control based on analysis of the first few chapters of the Integrity of God. And the diagram is scary, of the fetus and further diagrams falsely give the impressionable that he has "faith reduced to a simple science." Much like, a fictional with a few facts movie presented in black and white, to give the impressionable, it is a historical documentary.
Then I provide some personal commentary regarding my notion of God.
Then I further provided holes in the Colonel's analysis in the Integrity of God.
Then I insult him, using a 1 Corinthians 13:11 "When I was a child....I became a man." And, that includes your first chemistry set, proclivity for bad, and enough sinning and leisure time to gum up the works with bogus science and Jr. High linear algebra. This was a kidney punch maybe but I believe him to be a heretic. As, the scripture outlines in detail.
1 John page 1829
One of the most dangerous heresies of the first two centuries of the church was Gnosticism. Its central teaching was that spirit is entirely good and matter is evil. From this unbiblical dualism flowed five important errors:
1. Man's body, which is matter, is therefore evil. It is to be contrasted with God who is wholly spirit and therefore good.
2. Salvation is the escape from the body ("Overcoming Sin Nature of our physical bodies" as the Colonel harped constantly and even wrote a hymn about it)
3. Christ's true humanity was denied in two ways (1) Some said that Christ only seemed to have a body, a view called Docetism, from the Greek word dokeo (to seem) and (2) others said that divine Christ joined the man Jesus at baptism and left him before he died, a view called Cerinthianism, after its most prominent spokesman, Cerinthus. This view is the background of much of 1 John
4. Since the body was considered evil (spiritually dead), it was to be treated harshly. This ascetic form of Gnosticism is the background of part of the letter to the Colossians (2:21-23) ("Constant Spiritual Testing for the mature believer from God was just to get the believer ready to receive blessings, God spanking was to get the immature believer back to the family, Constant Testing from God was punishment for a Nation not in line with God's pre-determined plan of making some Nations "most favored" like the USA. - Theime in several books and also in The Integrity of God. And, military tactical euphemisms constantly employed and military training/conscription and even showcasing helicopters from the military in the parking lot...I forget which source I got that helicopter fact from but I will find it... Most will say Basic Training in the Military is pretty tough and "ascetic" and just so happens to be the nameing of "The Colonel's intro tapes. "Basic Training" Military Strength was central to Theime and Berachah's thrust. Another book favored by Themeites was "Military Strength".....naturally. Military Strength and in a quick index look there are no specific scriptures regarding military strength...though their are many scriptures about might, strength, protection and "The battle is the Lord." Of course the Colonel used in his Christians at Ease, Faith Rest Drill to get ready for another miserable tacticle course....)
5. Paradoxically, this dualism also led to licentiousness. The reasoning was that, since matter--and not the breaking of God's laws (1 John 3:4) ---was considered evil, breaking the law was of no moral consequence.
(God's laws were not big with this crowd nor anything regarding works or righteousness as spiritually dead anyways and saved already by Grace alone. Not by works but grace alone. Not by works but grace alone. Not by works but grace alone LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST. Ergo "Grace free-loaders" my term for those who take this scripture out of original context. That work done to boast or for show is not work or righteousness.) Though, completely ignoring THE BIBLE AND GOD MAN.
Matthew 16 - 20 - "Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven. Do not think that I came to abolish the Law of the Prophets, I did not come to abolish but fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches other to do the same, shall be called least in heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven." Jesus fulfilled this emphasizing its deep, underlying principles, and total commitment rather than just obedience.
6. The Gnosticism addressed in the NT was an early form of the heresy, not the intricately developed system of the second and third centuries. In addition to that seen in Colossians and in John's letters, acquaintance with early Gnosticism is refelcted in 1,2, Timothy, Titus, and 2 Peter and perhaps 1 Corinthians.
(And later forms and more complex horrific forms would spring up like the Shoah. And, though the Colonel's heresy is not a mirror, much more complex....It is close enough for me. And he even took it upon himself to write a book regarding The Shoah.....Simultaneously.....But I will get to that later and my RIP regarding that as I have strayed from answering your question.)
Occasions and Purpose
John's readers were confronted with an early form of Gnostic teaching of the Cerinthisan variety. This heresy was also libertine, throwing off moral restraints.
("Morality is not the way. I am not saying don't be moral but what I am saying is (Let me guess?!!!) Not by work but faith alone lest any man should boast...Bobby Theime III" Simultaneously a supporter of the Moral Majority except...when back peddaling but again I am straying and will get to that soon enough.)
Consequently, John wrote this letter with two basic purposes in mind (1) to expose false teachers (2:26) and (2) to give believers assurance of salvation (5:13). In keeping with his intention to combat Gnostic teacher, John specifically struck at their total lack of morality. (3:8-10); and by giving eyewitness testimony to the incarnation, he sought to confirm his readers' belief in the Christ incarnate (1:3) Success in this would give the writer joy (1:4)
1 John 26-29 These things I have written, to you concerning those who are trying to deceive you. As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him. Now, little children, abide in Him, so that when He appears, we may have confidence and not shrink away from Him in shame at His coming. If you know He is righteous, you know that everyone also who practices righteousness is born of Him.
Pseudoscience - In The Integrity of God.
“The Colonel did get one thing right which totally refutes his "science" up to this point. At our birth God breathes life into us. God does not have bad breath. And along we go remarkable, unremarkable, tempted, fail, succeed, and believe. And Christ has us in the palm of his hand the whole time. We are not here because of Lucifer.
Our imperfection and proclivities to sin are what they are. When one, genetically back tracks linearly, breaking things down, and puts them back together, what they arrive at, is not what is was, as that is impossible, from the mind of one like the Colonel's, and any imperfect mind.
I feel sorry for his son having to read what the Colonel wrote about him, "An unremarkable infant".
With the Mind of Christ, Hobbsian pessimism is impossible. As Christ saved us from these dark, evil, dalliances in ourselves. Jesus Christ, the ultimate Optimist. Poor Colonel, he owed his entire life to the snake, Lucifer perched in the tree. Then, in his back tracking he left the heart, spirit, joy, celebration, and optimism of the Divine out of our very Creation. Poor, poor, Tin Man. Such a Dark conception and Such a Dark Lord he chose. His thesis: Humans were a mistake and allegiance is to their Sin Nature. Their father, Satan. That is where back tracking linear; piece by taking piece of whole context of scripture leads one. When you break down a pen. It is no longer a pen. His instructors not only have doctrine which refutes his thesis in details but the Infinite Perfection of God would never make a mistake. And in his arrogance going against Bible doctrine he sought to impress his quest for understanding, which is a nightmare. (The Bible is a double edge sword.) That concept is also a rationalization for literalists of Genesis who unfortunately in their literal interpretation or misinterpretation give authority of their human existence to Lucifer. I am all too familiar with the Colonel's "science." It has so many holes to it. One major one being Sin Nature authored it. However, it after the fact loops around the necessity of Perfection as the connection to God. It is also in its human sin nature logical extreme the rationalization Hitler arrived at and (Dick Cheney). What humans fail to do time and again in their "reasoning minds" is to admit in their arrogance that they just do not know everything. I am very familiar with the "Colonel's Science" and it is all his interpretation which linearly from the ends to the means “makes sense” for his agenda. It is not Biblical doctrine. The Colonel I gather would not be a fan of "Intelligent Design" but more along the lines of a bumbling Lab Technician God who screws up and then must constantly engage in damage control. Basically, the philosophy of many scientists who spend too much time breaking things down and tend to miss the whole picture until it blows up in their face. Keep me in your prayers because at least the Colonel has everyone praying to the right Lord to forgive them from being born and giving allegiance to the wrong one. Poor Colonel. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The road to hell is paved with hell intentions.
THE ROAD TO HEAVEN IS NOT PAVED WITH HELL.”
“His foundation is wrong as it starts with Perfection possessing negative volition towards Perfection and therefore negates his further appeals towards positive volition. Though, his analysis of parts of the Bible after this fallacy is good whether or not he, himself, is positive or negative. His character emulates the foundation, not the pith or message of Christ or analysis of some of the Bible. Many of his followers do the same. The result is many who do not embody the message or Mind of Christ. The running start provided, Negative Volition or Negative Incarnate as their origin.
The Colonel's flawed foundation furthers the mitigation of Perfect Grace, by making Perfect Grace dependent on Negative Volition, which negates Perfection as a constant without an end, or beginning and dependent on Imperfection. And, if human's purpose is within the context of winning the Angelic Conflict as Jesus as their Leader, then remaining in the Garden as two perfect individuals who fell from Grace by making a wrong choice, which is not consistent with perfection in and of itself, would mean no Angelic Conflict to win and no need for "dependent" Perfect Grace. Moreover, if humans were perfect in every way in the garden then there would be no need to test this perfection. Perfect in every way with free will never makes a choice other than perfection. And, if indeed, the Angelic Conflict is pre-human history then remaining in the garden was not the Plan of God. That is, unless, the Angelic Conflict was only born when perfect in every way made an imperfect choice, and therefore negates it as pre-history, and requires Perfect Grace and many followers to resolve it.
Do you see how many conflicts reside in the Colonel's linear thinking?”
“There are serious flaws to the Colonel's undertaking and it largely rests on the method he used. His attempt to balance the equation by starting with a linear conception, employing reductionism, back tracking linearly with the singular and reduced, then filling in the blanks to achieve a pre-determined solve. Only to further expose how his equation is not balanced nor sound by the theories he espouses. What appears to his followers is that he has faith reduced to a science. This man in all actuality has no concept of science. I would even say the very elementary basics he lacks. Then using different nomenclature to separate himself from other Pastor's, he presents something which appears unique although it merely is different verbiage. Though his whole cosmology is seriously flawed, if it is a method which is a catalyst for people to embody the solve, than this is positive. However, “a house built on sand” has many lasting problems.
Check your premise.”
“The "Colonel's Science" is very attractive to the sugar, spice, and everything nice, who love the bad boys through and through, snakes, snails, and puppy dog tails. It unfortunately leaves Christ out of the mix except to be the ultimate scapegoat and rationalization to keep up the bad work that feels so good.
Lies regarding the sexes and the complexity of both male and female under sovereign God.
Not to mention, all that discussion of Christ's life and that bit about growing up, "When I was a child I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, but when I became a man I put away childish things." 1 Corinthians 13:11
And that includes your first chemistry set, proclivity for bad, and enough sinning and leisure time to gum up the works with bogus science and Jr. High linear algebra.
Then, he trips himself up even further by stating anyone can be a believer even if they do not state it, and then draws line upon line regarding unbelievers and who they are. Then, he fills his diatribes with human viewpoint regarding politics of the time, and then makes claims that he is not political. Having the same effect as Bob Dylan had when he claimed he was not political to the Press after releasing his song, "War".
Then, he bites his own bullet regarding adultery as a Sin Unto Death so that the husband's of wives he may be interested in for himself, ...their husband's will keep to themselves so he can have free reign. And or have the congregation do a wife swap/husband swap swinging cult bonanza.
And then, what he failed to realize until too late is that the kernels of truth always usurp Colonels, Generals, Captains, and Majors. Jesus was a Carpenter's son and the battle is His.”
Truthtesty, "The Colonel" is/did not come out and say, "I am a heretic." He did not have to...He screamed it.
And, even if he did, he covered all his bases with his devotees....Maybe he is "Reverting" a bit but we can't surpass his spiritual maturity of our Pastor as he said.
He could have slit a baby's throat on the steps of his Church and his devoted followers would still be his followers. I believe even in The Integrity of God from reflection as I emailed this when I read it...."He's covered all his bases including his character. Because it says in this book that some of the greatest people serving God have awful and dislikeable personalities." I'd have to look up the exact quote but I bb'd it. So much for all the scriptures warning of anger, encouraging mercy, hositlity "A harsh word stirs up anger" or a common saying not Biblical "Fanatics are those who beat a dead horse." And we know in this quote who the Fanatic was and who were the dead horses.