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Dr. Chafer was very familiar with what Dr. Ethelbert W. Bullinger said.
Of course he was! E.W.Bullinger was known and studied by many serious students of the Bible.
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TruthtestyDr. Lews Sperry Chafer Vol. 4, Page 127
Dr. Ethelbert W. Bullinger—which inaccuracy, along with others, he recanted before his death—was the theory that Israel is the Bride of Christ while the Church is His Body. (To see an exact copy of what Dr. Chafer on this in Vol 4, page 127 see [
www.withchrist.org] )
Dr. Chafer lists Dr. Ethelbert W. Bullinger several times Vol. 8, Page 69, Vol. 4, Page 127, Vol. 7, Page 180(twice), Vol. 7, Page 181.
Which goes to show. All great teachers made/make errors at times. That is why we have more than one teacher. So, one can balance out the other, and visa versa. I have hear a Berachah ordained pastor correct some of Thieme's teachings. Were we surprised or offended? No. Thieme trained us for such things. Thieme simply disdained stupidity trying to superimpose itself over knowledge.
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What is noteble in Bullinger's statement is that Bullinger said "by" the blood. As I stated previously, Thieme's spiritual death only theory is invalid becuase the Angel of Jehovah could have died spiritually an accomplished salvation (if "spiritual death only" was the only requirement), therefore literal "flesh and blood" were required for salvation.
You missed the true issue, again. "By" the blood? Yes. That's right. That's what he said.
But? Bullinger also stated what the term "blood" indicated. That, is what you keep blanking out on.
Back then someone could murder a man by strangulation. And? Someone who saw him do it, could say
..."His blood is on your hands!"But? No physical blood was shed. That's what you (and the fundamentalists) keep skidding off the road with.
That is how the word was often times used back then. Its not the way we readily use it today to mean one thing. It could also mean "life." We sometimes say
..."We need some new blood in the department." Have fun with that one.
And? If the physical blood of Jesus were to save us? Like the animal sacrifices had shedding of blood onto death, only portray by illustration the atonement ordained of God? Then God would have arranged Jesus to be sacrificed by a means of blood letting.
One more time.... men did not bleed to death on crosses. Pilate was taken by surprise to hear that Jesus died so soon.
Why? Pilate knew what had been done to Jesus. He gave the orders. Pilate knew that Jesus should have still remained alive! For nothing extra ordinary had been done to Jesus. That is why he was surprised.
Men did not bleed to death on a Roman cross. If something unusual had been done to cause bleeding to death of Jesus? It would have been noted by the Roman soldier assigned to see if Jesus were truly dead. God would want it recorded in the Bible.
I can see exactly why Robert Thieme used to get angry at times. If I had his temperment? And, I kept getting told by fundamentalists things revealing a denial of historical fact? And, while being ignored and maligned when explaining the details of what the Bible and historical record reveals? I can see why. That's why I never held it against him.
Now, here's a reversal to your lament of home breaking.
Like said earlier... My Jewish father who used to mock preachers to my face after I became a Christian? He respected Robert Thieme. He liked
the way and what RBT taught.
This I did not tell you.. My father was quite a successful man. Not easily impressed. My mom one day told me how my dad approved of RB Thieme.
Interesting... because she used to add in with taunts after I believed in Christ. Robert Thieme helped bring my family back together. I also had been disowned, up until then.
Robert Thieme they could respect. They both could see and know he was a well educated man . And, these were my same parents that wanted me to see Jewish deprogrammers after I told them I believed in Christ...well before I ever heard of Robert Thieme.
So much for that. There's the other side of the story.
In Christ, GeneZ