How can there be justice for 20yrs of a ruined life?
How could there ever be compensation for that?
How can a life damaged by post traumatic distress disorder , anxiety and depression because of one woman be reclaimed. How can losing a whole life friends ,family ,successful career be replaced? I thought when I came on this site that it was a recovery site for the abuses I endured. Up untill that point I thought I was the only one that it had happened to. Obviously it has happened to many more people than I realised. As the same techniques we have have discussed previously have been used on all of us. When I heard that childrens lives had been destroyed and their mental health ruined ,as a childhood abuse survivor I feel broken hearted about that. Maybe some of you who are watching this site can now understand why David and Tina have been so angry. I know there are many more of you out there that havnt come forward yet.
The only thing I can say is abuse is evil, destroying peoples mental health is evil. It must be stopped before more innocent peoples lives are damaged and destroyed....

At the very least, justice would be for Cheryl and the gang to be stopped in their tracks. There is no way to undo the damage done so far, but we can do our best to prevent it happening to others.

I would like to agree with Liverpool Writer over peoples feelings, I myself no longer see myself as a christian.

The idea of justice is a subjective ideal – do the fab four think they are doing the just thing? (I never know weather they believe in what they say). We all know that if justice was practical we would not have gone throw that dark place.

We can only hope that people can recover and at best the place will close.

I would like to see any evidence people have for trying to talk to the fellowship. Saying that it may be better if the evidence is put together with your story and send to Liverpool Writer. Don’t know if the letters are shown here first it may harm them as evidence. If used here first what will the response be by kcf when/if we take it further?

I wonder if anyone else is affected by delving into this spiritual abuse stuff as much as I seem to be. I think I have mentioned previously on here that I had a breakdown four years ago following my involvement in KCF...and as a result have recurring depression. I was recovering pretty well and was successfully decreasing my medication with the hope I would be off them completely by late spring/early summer. I don't think it is just these discussions here that have begun to plummet me into a depression again (I recognize there are other "happenings" in my life that activate it again) but in any case...I find myself of two minds.

I want to confront the problems/feelings I have concerning my KCF experiences and at the same time I want to leave them buried! Now I know that is a contradiction...but that's the way it is. So I look at this site regularly, wanting to read the posts to get updated, and then feeling down. Does anyone else feel as I do? Any suggestions?

I am definately not an evangelical/charasmatic Christian any longer. I am a believer but don't have this close "buddy" relationship with Christ that I once felt was necessary (maybe part of me still wants that; I really am unsure!). I do know it was harmful to be around Christians who were naval-gazing all the time...looking inward...striving to be "better" Christians...and I am very relieved to have left all that part of my faith behind. I don't have highs/lows of faith experiences any longer...it is just a deep abiding kind of faith...a "knowing" faith that recognizes God's love for me and for all his creation. I sense God's leading at times, just as I always have. I see God's involvement in the lives of others, even when they wouldn't recognize it as God iyswim.

So, I don't feel faith-less, not a Christian, not a backslider....just a woman who still feels lost and bruised...and depressed. I too am affected when I read things with the "born-again" lingo...I feel an outsider and yet I know we were all harmed spiritually, emotionally and some even physically by KCF...that is our common ground. For others (like John, I think) Christian faith has departed from their heart...if they are sad about that, then I am too. I wouldn't be out to evangelize or condemn anyone (eg. John) because he does not hold to the Christian faith. I just think we are all a wide spectrum of people who are loved by God and ones who have gone through terrible times. Ones who desire to recover from this abuse and to see that no one else falls into the hands of KCF and is faced with picking up the pieces of their lives as we are. How that is to happen...I am not certain...publicity, co-operation of other ministries/churches, Charity Commission investigations....whatever it takes.

Peace to all our troubled hearts.

Hi Broken,
In the earlier years when I first left (1991) I was very fragile for a long time. It has got easier as I have talked about it over the years and as time has elapsed. I have had to accept what happened and realise I had to adopt a whole new way of thinking and a different easier lifestyle. I had to accept also that I would never be the same as I used to be before I had breakdowns(I have had 7 altogether). Now I just take one day at a time and that is enough to cope with. I make sure I take myself out of stressful situations, if they are too much to cope with. Post traumatic stress disorder is managable if you understand why it happens. But yes coming on this site has stirred up old feelings, I have cried a lot , out of sadness for what has happened to other people. Many realisations have hit me but it could never be as bad as when I was in KCF. I know it is all over now I dont have to take their abuse any more and I have got my old friends back. We are all at different stages it has taken years for the old thinking and teaching to be removed. I know it is hard for people who have just left as they only know one way to think.That includes all the born again phrases that grate on us, but they have no other way of expressing themselves , it is all they have known , so I know I need to learn tolerance and remember what I was like when I first escaped. Everyone used to say I was so intense when I went to other churches . It used to irritate me but I realise it was the ethos of the church that I had been socialised in. Now Im not intense and very laid back ,it does get better. At least I am not alone anymore....

just for the record. I am definatly not a christian. I believe in God but not as other people may do. I don't believe he answers prayers or interferes with our lives at all.

What would justice look like? I could imagine it to be ugly. I would imagine it would feel pretty great tho. To see them held accountable for the things they have done.How far are you all willing to go to shut this place down? As I have said before and I will say it again and again untill I get a response from sombody who is into the idea of alerting the media. You have to know your enemy, are they putting peoples lives and health at risk? Of course they are. Are they a cult? Yes they are. Are they responsible for all the hurt caused to you whilst in thier care? Yes . Are they still a danger to children and young adults? Yes all you have to do is read a lot of the posts on this website to see that.

I will explain why I want to use the media.
I think all of us can agree that the stuff that has happened to all of us and the stuff still going on is serious. It is abuse, it has affected peoples mental health, personal development, positivity, faith, self esteem , relationships sexual or other. How is this going to end. We can't win back what was taken, and yes we don't owe society in general anything. But I do think we have a responsibility to every child, young adult or anybody other vunerable person who lives in this area. This place needs negative attention brought to it. This website is great but it is hard to find, people are not going to accidently find it. We need to inform people of this cult in the midst of Kirkby( which is next door to a school) of what these odious people are up to. The media will definately help to draw attention to this revolting woman and her brainless zombie sheep.

i understand that there are people on this site who could not deal with the media. That is fine. I am not asking anyone to do something which they are not comfortable with. What I am asking for is for you all to examine inside yourselves, see just how far you are willing to go and act on it rather than talking about it. those of us strong enough to act on this should do so, we can look after the others who arent able to, but we have to be united because they will get their say and they will do all that they can to destroy us all over again. Talking is good to ease pain, but I dont think that any of us will truly be able to heal unless we start taking some positive action to bring them down.

KNOW YOUR ENEMY!

love Trina xx

[b:1293157d60]bruisednotbroken[/b:1293157d60] - cannot reply to your note yet. No I don't mind & no I'm not.

[b:1293157d60]rosebud[/b:1293157d60] - I have e-mailed the local paper to see if they were intrested in doing a story. I put a link to this site, I have had no reply to it - I send it when you talked of it last time.

It's sad what's been happening at places like Kirby Christian Fellowship. But let's face it - there's nothing unique about it. What gets me (at least here in England) is why more people don't complain to their MPs to get the law changed.

I'm no expert (though I want to learn) but it seems to me that at the moment it's easier to get a television advert banned than it is to get such organisations shut down. There should be some mechaism by which if a certain level of complaints is reached by ex-members then that organisation is prohibited by law from soliciting further funds until an investiagtion is completed.

Thanks, John....sorry, I forgot about the 10 posting rule regarding pm's.

Hi john. Which paper did you try? Maybe if a few people e mail about KCF they may take it more seriously. If you get back and tell me which one I will drop them an e mail pointing in the direction of this site. And maybe other people if they are willing can do the same.

AJG I think there definatly should be a kind of watch dog for these independent churches. Like an independent body whom you can complain to if you are mistreated. And they will then investigate the church and have the aurthority to close it down.

Regards Trina xxx