Re: James Arthur Ray - 2 die at Arizona retreat's sweat lodge
Posted by: The Shadow ()
Date: January 24, 2010 08:10AM

random thoughts from The Shadow:
"making money is as easy as 1-2-3" says James Ray (aka DeathRay)...i would really like to hear from any of his followers who have achieved this promised success.

Re: James Arthur Ray - 2 die at Arizona retreat's sweat lodge
Posted by: Stoic ()
Date: January 26, 2010 05:59AM

James Ray breaks his silence for his first media interview:

DeathRay Q & A

James Arthur Ray - Oprah, Larry King, Deepak Chopra, Tony Robbins
Posted by: The Anticult ()
Date: January 26, 2010 08:35AM

My god, the amount of brazen lies in that propaganda piece, is almost unbelievable.
What is needed are some serious interviewers who have experience dealing with trained liars.
But he will always avoid trained interviewers in the media, or professional investigators, he's still totally avoiding them to this day, as he knows full well they are trained to deal and overcome all of the tactics that can be used.

The only good part of the article is the intro, which correctly links him with...

"He was admired by Oprah and Larry King; a peer of Deepak Chopra and Tony Robbins"

Re: James Arthur Ray - 2 die at Arizona retreat's sweat lodge
Posted by: Christa ()
Date: January 26, 2010 03:17PM

Everyone, the New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans Site has had its account suspended. This site has been very important in the Death Ray murder lodge saga, and in the fight against all shady white people who steal, corrupt, and market Native peoples' sacred ceremonies.

Maybe they just didn't pay their bill this month. Maybe they've decided the fight is over, they've won, and there's no more need for their site. Maybe they got a letter from one of James Ray's busy beaver lawyers.

I am very concerned and will try to find out more. If someone from the New Age Frauds site sees this, please let us know what is happening.

James Arthur Ray - Plastic Shamans
Posted by: The Anticult ()
Date: January 26, 2010 03:46PM New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans

The site is listed as suspended. Most of the website is still available in the Google cache temporarily. If there is important information, someone could archive it.

There are thousands of pages of that website still available from this link...just press "Cached"


There are links about James Arthur Ray if this search string goes into Google: james arthur ray

To do a search on other subjects, just put your search word after the string, then search Google for it. (search words here)

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/26/2010 03:53PM by The Anticult.

Re: James Arthur Ray - 2 die at Arizona retreat's sweat lodge
Posted by: ResearchingTruth ()
Date: January 28, 2010 02:00PM

I'm not sure if this wall already mentioned in a previous post, but for anyone who happens to be doing internet research on this case, I thought it would be helpful to make note of the fact (and perhaps reiterate) that the James Arthur Ray retreatin question included the Samurai Game. Many other LGATs incorporate the Samurai Game [] in their programs. Such as; the Legacy Center, Raleigh (Morrisville), North Carolina; and the Choice Center in Las Vegas, Nevada. Many more I'm sure. And they often rename it but still containing the word "samurai".

Ray's rebuttal on his website claims:

The Samurai game focuses on the concept of acting with integrity. As with many corporate team-building exercises, the rules are intricate and somewhat arbitrary. Participants divided into two teams. Each team had a domio, a priest who can talk to “God,” a ninja, a sentry and other assigned characters. Mr. Ray played “God” merely by acting as the proctor for the exercise by answering questions about rules. At one point during the game, participants watched a clip from The Last Samurai, starring Tom Cruise.

The Samurai Game culminated in various “battles” – using the term loosely – between individual team opponents. For example, the “battles” included a contest to see who could spin around ten times with a pillow on his or her head, and who could carry an egg on a spoon to a chair and back first. Those who “died” in battle, e.g., by dropping their pillows or eggs, were escorted by volunteers dressed as “Angels of Death” to the “graveyard,” which was a cordoned-off section of the Pavilion. Although some outside observers have chosen to take the metaphor of the Samurai Game literally, the evidence shows that the Samurai Game was just that – a very theatrical game, and the kind of team-building exercise that might be played at a corporate retreat.

Fascinating that he would highlight Tom Cruise, what with his Scientology connection and all.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/28/2010 02:01PM by ResearchingTruth.

Re: James Arthur Ray - 2 die at Arizona retreat's sweat lodge
Posted by: Stoic ()
Date: January 28, 2010 10:03PM

'a very theatrical game, and the kind of team-building exercise that might be played at a corporate retreat.'

He is using the idea of a 'corporate retreat' as something innocuous and beyond reproach but corporations are increasingly using the LGAT techniques of Landmark, est etc (without the informed consent of the participants) to instill loyalty and a driven competitive motivation into their employees. Such corporations are messing with unknowing minds every bit as much as DeathRay is.

Re: James Arthur Ray - 2 die at Arizona retreat's sweat lodge
Posted by: buffman ()
Date: January 29, 2010 12:21AM

The last thing I would want as a corporate employee is for my boss to play God.

Re: James Arthur Ray - 2 die at Arizona retreat's sweat lodge
Posted by: Stoic ()
Date: January 29, 2010 05:05PM

'The last thing I would want as a corporate employee is for my boss to play God.'

There is unfortunately no shortage of corporate bosses suffering from the delusion that they can play god, but in corporate life they generally have a less all-encompassing grip on the employees mind---there are labour laws for protection in developed countries that give a recognised means of address for the worst abuses.

I did not intend my comment to move this at a tangent to a comparison between JAR and corporate practices, I was intending to show that his justification of the 'god game' as something completely acceptable and above board in corporate life was ultimately meaningless.

Re: James Arthur Ray - Russ Whitney - Robert Kiyosaki Rich Dad
Posted by: The Anticult ()
Date: January 31, 2010 12:12AM

Here is a way to curb these deceptive LGAT seminars and their deceptive sales tactics and advertising claims.

Robert Kiyosaki (Rich Dad) went into business with Whitney Information Network (Russ Whitney) and they use the same basic seminar sales-structure as James Arthur Ray.
Short "free" seminar, where they upsell to a seminar costing $500, then very high-pressure tactics to seminars costing $50,000, and far beyond.
Complaints to the Attorney General had some impact in curbing their rip-offs and deception.

How Rich Dad seminars work

In 2006, Kiyosaki and his company teamed up with Cape Coral, Florida-based Whitney Information Network to deliver “Rich Dad Education Seminars”.

The usual structure for these seminars is first a “free” two-hour event where participants are encouraged to sign up for a second three-day event for $500. Then, at that event participants are further encouraged to sign up for individual advanced classes which are approximately $5,000 each. A consumer who signs up for the advanced course will typically spend from $12,000 to upwards of $45,000.

Complaints about Whitney Information Network

In January 2008, following an investigation by the Florida Attorney General office, [] Whitney agreed to pay out more than $1 million dollars as a consumer settlement based on their business practices.

"More than 250 consumers complained that Whitney and its related companies engaged in deceptive advertising and misleading business practices, whether through the use of "testimonials" from individuals claiming to have achieved success using Whitney's educational products or through other inaccurate statements in the infomercials about what would be taught at the seminars. Consumers complained that the introductory programs and seminars, touted as training that would change careers and lifestyles and give persons financial freedom and independence, covered only very rudimentary information and were used mainly to entice consumers to purchase "more advanced" and significantly more expensive training programs costing thousands of dollars.”

Under their agreement with the AG, the company must “strictly refrain from making false statements or implications in its advertising or at its seminars that financial opportunities, results or claims will occur as a result of the use of its products and services unless the company can substantiate the claims as feasible for a significant number of consumers or unless a disclaimer is provided specifically stating that the purported results are not typically obtained by the majority of consumers.”

In the Fall of 2009, Whitney changed its name to Tigrent.

As of Jan. 29, 2010, according to the Better Business Bureau of Florida [] Tigrent has an F rating on a scale from A+ to F. The rating is based on 122 complaints, 8 of which were resolved, 4 were considered serious, and also based on the aforementioned government action against the business.


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