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James Arthur Ray: The Documents In the Case
Posted by: The Anticult ()
Date: February 18, 2010 03:58AM

James Arthur Ray: The Documents In the Case
Written by Lynne LaMaster
Monday, 15 February 2010 23:30
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James Ray has been in jail for 2 weeks, since Feb 3.
Its really unusual for him to keep himself in jail for that long. What kind of tactic is he running? He and his followers could come up with the bail money overnight, so James Ray is choosing to keep himself in jail.

As others have said, it has to be part of his strategy regarding all of the lawsuits against him. Since all these LGAT gurus stash their cash in other hidden shell companies, and family members and brothers names, and offshore, he has to play act not having any money.

Its so absurd. For years James Ray has been shouting from the housetops he knows the secrets to "wealth", to manipualte people into attending his seminars.
Now he is claiming he is broke.
No, the cash is stashed.
But its going to take years for all of it to play out.

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Re: James Arthur Ray - 2 die at Arizona retreat's sweat lodge
Posted by: Stoic ()
Date: February 18, 2010 04:15AM

Latest document to be released, the States allegation of aggravating circumstances:

Yavapai doc Aggravating circs


The doc mentions:

1. Presence of an accomplice

2. The especially heinous, cruel or depraved manner in which the offense was committed

3. Defendant committed the offense as consideration for the receipt of anything of pecuniary value

4. The victim, or if the victim died as a result of the conduct of the defendant, the victim’s immediate family suffered physical, emotional or financial harm

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Re: James Arthur Ray: The Documents In the Case
Posted by: Yakaru ()
Date: February 18, 2010 04:19AM

Might this have something to do with "accomplices" who may have blown their immunity? It sounds like the accusations have just been ratcheted up another notch. (????)

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Re: James Arthur Ray: The Documents In the Case
Posted by: The Anticult ()
Date: February 18, 2010 04:56AM

Maybe they've submitted the "accomplice" doc as a "suggestion" for those people who are lying to protect James Ray, to wake up and smell the coffee before its too late.

They make several points, one that the accomplice is being paid in any way (pecuniary) as in being an employee, of the guy who is charged with the crimes.

There was a comment somewhere about one of the James Ray staff who was physically shaking while being interviewed by the investigators. She said she was "cold" and not afraid of being questioned.
Not believable.
It must be terrifying to be confronted by trained professional detectives, who are experts in catching lies, and in giving you enough rope to hang yourself. Those folks are in serious trouble.
Lying to the court is a very serious offence, and you can get in very serious trouble for that. Its terribly stupid to try and lie to a judge.

Notice that James Ray did not allow himself to be interviewed by professional investigators, he knows they are experts in catching deception and lies.

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Re: James Arthur Ray - 2 die at Arizona retreat's sweat lodge
Posted by: Stoic ()
Date: February 18, 2010 04:58AM

I'm not too sure of the legal definitions in the US, but 'aggravated' when attached to a charge would normally make it a much worse offense than the bog-standard charge.
If I were an accomplice or even two accomplices, I'd be worrying about now.

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Re: James Arthur Ray: The Documents In the Case
Posted by: The Anticult ()
Date: February 18, 2010 05:07AM

Way back in this thread, it was predicted that James Ray was going to hang his own people out to dry, in trying to save his own skin.
Convincing and coaching your employees to get immunity, and then walk in there and pretend your memory has gone blank, is hanging them out to dry.
No wonder they are visibly shaking.

Another prediction. If James Ray hits the stand, you will not see him try to protect others. The finger is going to be pointed at them, as it already has. Particulary the Directors of Operations for James Ray, who was responsible for running the operations.
They will try to blame those who built the sweat lodge, and those who were running the events, and directing the operations.

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Re: James Arthur Ray - 2 die at Arizona retreat's sweat lodge
Posted by: Stoic ()
Date: February 18, 2010 05:10AM

In this case I think the aggravation is being extended to the charges against JAR, who had received pecuniary advantage from perpetrating the offense.

As yet the accomplices have not been charged, and the investigators, having given the immunity in the presence of their legal counsel, are unlikely to extend much further generosity with regard to being lied to after the immunity deal was accepted. There is apparently only a small window of time when the immunity deal covers changing testimony and that seems to have passed.
The investigators have interviewed over 100 participants, I doubt they are relying on the testimonies of the accomplices at this point.

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Re: James Arthur Ray - 2 die at Arizona retreat's sweat lodge
Posted by: Yakaru ()
Date: February 18, 2010 05:31AM

Re. Death Ray hanging people out to dry.

I might be way off here, so it's just a speculation. Reading the witness statements, there was a lot of confusion over whether particular events happened in the 5th or 6th round in the sweat lodge. Some said there were 7 rounds ("a round for each chakra") others said there were 8 rounds.

Someone said that round five was counted twice, and that seems quite likely.

The 2008 lodge with 7 rounds had people at death's door, curled up in a fetal position etc. The extra round in 2009 (if indeed there was one) is probably what made it completely unbearable for the human body.

Ray was in charge of calling the rounds, but Megan Fredrickson said she was sitting next to him to assist with practicalities. (She's very good at noticing small details, you know!)

It's a long shot, I know, but I noted Josh F was already claiming it was he and not James who ordered: "Those of you who can walk, get up and go back to your rooms now" when the ambulances first appeared coming down the hill. Even more incredibly, Josh F claimed HE told JR to go and have a shower while CPR was still being carried out on two victims, rather than as witnesses recalled Ray deciding all by himself.

Is Megan Fredrickson being set up to share the blame for fatally adding an extra round, and causing "a tragic accident"?

I hope I'm wrong, because even she wouldn't deserve it.

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Re: James Arthur Ray - 2 die at Arizona retreat's sweat lodge
Posted by: Yakaru ()
Date: February 18, 2010 05:31AM

Any thoughts?

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Re: James Arthur Ray -
Posted by: The Anticult ()
Date: February 18, 2010 05:45AM

James Ray would not take orders from Josh or anyone else. James Ray flies into a rage anytime anyone does anything he doesn't want them to do.

Its speculation of course, but it seems common sense that Josh was coached to say he told James Ray to leave the scene, to try and deflect from James Ray.
They also coached other JRI staff in what to say, after Colleen Conaway died.

In terms of the rounds, it makes the most sense that they deliberately were miscounting the rounds, to deceive people on the inside.
James Ray was TOTALLY in control, he was fresh, hydrated, and well-rested.
Maybe they are just trying to fudge the rounds, to make it seem like they didn't know what was going on.

But there is no question, no doubt James Ray was 100% in control of everything going on. James Ray was "God".

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