Desteni, rape, pornography, Facebook
Posted by:
Sandman
()
Date: January 16, 2012 07:35PM
They'll be targeting anyone who responds to them, certainly young people if not minors.
Markus Modin, aged 22, has caused a bit of a stir by posting videos explaining the Desteni view on the consequences of masturbation or sexual fantasy which is that it leads to rape. It is of course just a way of playing on people's emotions and sense of morality and trying to induce guilt and fear. It's worked on Markus and now he tries the same ruse on others.
Secret Rape
[www.youtube.com]
2012 Secret Rape pt.2
[www.youtube.com]
[www.facebook.com]
Whether anyone approves of pornography is beside the point because the issue is being manipulated by Desteni to exploit people. It would be one thing to agree that pornography should be banned, quite another to support the idea that discussion of the matter should be used as a way of recruiting people into joining a Multi-Level Marketing pyramid scheme for a pro-Hitler channeling cult.
But they will use any cheap trick they can. They are tagging all their latest videos with "2012" to target people who have already been taken in by the 2012 hoax.
[www.2012hoax.org]
Sunette Spies is even channeling Gaddafi:
2012 Gaddafi from the Afterlife - The Interview!
[www.youtube.com]
Many if not all the original "interdimensional portal" videos including the Hitler channeling videos are being re-released via several different Desteni member channels like DesteniUSA -- [www.youtube.com]
Adolf Hitler History Part 1
[www.youtube.com]
Some of Poolman's lectures are being re-uploaded but the emphasis generally has shifted on to blogs and videos of the ordinary followers. This may explain the increase in membership: less of a creep-out factor without so many Poolman videos. 150 may not seem like a lot but there will be more interested people who haven't yet officially joined, and it is remarkable that they seem to have increased their numbers by half in a matter of only about three months.
Markus Modin, aged 22, has caused a bit of a stir by posting videos explaining the Desteni view on the consequences of masturbation or sexual fantasy which is that it leads to rape. It is of course just a way of playing on people's emotions and sense of morality and trying to induce guilt and fear. It's worked on Markus and now he tries the same ruse on others.
Secret Rape
[www.youtube.com]
2012 Secret Rape pt.2
[www.youtube.com]
[www.facebook.com]
Whether anyone approves of pornography is beside the point because the issue is being manipulated by Desteni to exploit people. It would be one thing to agree that pornography should be banned, quite another to support the idea that discussion of the matter should be used as a way of recruiting people into joining a Multi-Level Marketing pyramid scheme for a pro-Hitler channeling cult.
But they will use any cheap trick they can. They are tagging all their latest videos with "2012" to target people who have already been taken in by the 2012 hoax.
[www.2012hoax.org]
Sunette Spies is even channeling Gaddafi:
2012 Gaddafi from the Afterlife - The Interview!
[www.youtube.com]
Many if not all the original "interdimensional portal" videos including the Hitler channeling videos are being re-released via several different Desteni member channels like DesteniUSA -- [www.youtube.com]
Adolf Hitler History Part 1
[www.youtube.com]
Some of Poolman's lectures are being re-uploaded but the emphasis generally has shifted on to blogs and videos of the ordinary followers. This may explain the increase in membership: less of a creep-out factor without so many Poolman videos. 150 may not seem like a lot but there will be more interested people who haven't yet officially joined, and it is remarkable that they seem to have increased their numbers by half in a matter of only about three months.
Re: Desteni, rape, pornography, Facebook "idiot test"
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: January 17, 2012 07:03AM
Its interesting that Desteni is using what many other sects and salespeople use, sometimes called an "idiot test". That is, right in their first materials, they put in some crazy material, to screen out critical thinkers, and screen-in those who will believe basically anything.
Like fake channeling Gaddafi or Hitler.
This means Desteni is filtering potential members up-front, as if a person believes that nonsense, they'll believe almost anything.
Many salespeople and sects do this, as it gets rid of critical thinkers up front, and gives the sect people who will apparently believe almost anything.
That is also interesting if Desteni is trying to decentralize their propaganda. That makes it harder to get removed, as opposed to one official Desteni channel on youtube.
Its also Viral Marketing, person to person, like many sects use.
And using sex as a hook, is what Desteni has learned from other cults. Poolman knows that if you can control the sex lives of members of the sect, that is a royal road to total control of the person.
Same old standard techniques being used by the Desteni cult.
Like fake channeling Gaddafi or Hitler.
This means Desteni is filtering potential members up-front, as if a person believes that nonsense, they'll believe almost anything.
Many salespeople and sects do this, as it gets rid of critical thinkers up front, and gives the sect people who will apparently believe almost anything.
That is also interesting if Desteni is trying to decentralize their propaganda. That makes it harder to get removed, as opposed to one official Desteni channel on youtube.
Its also Viral Marketing, person to person, like many sects use.
And using sex as a hook, is what Desteni has learned from other cults. Poolman knows that if you can control the sex lives of members of the sect, that is a royal road to total control of the person.
Same old standard techniques being used by the Desteni cult.
Re: Desteni
Posted by:
shimwah
()
Date: January 26, 2012 05:49AM
I have tried leaving comments on youtube's Desteni stuff and have been blocked. It seems as long as you agree with them or say what they want to hear you are okay. One word out of line and they cut you off.
Re: Desteni
Posted by:
corboy
()
Date: January 27, 2012 02:02AM
Am putting this in just in case its of use.
Destini has managed to remove disgust from Hitler, and thats a very huge bit of mind engineering right there.
Interesting article on Disgust in the NY Times this week. I wrote a bit about its implications - citizens hunches--here.
[forum.culteducation.com]
Destini has managed to remove disgust from Hitler, and thats a very huge bit of mind engineering right there.
Interesting article on Disgust in the NY Times this week. I wrote a bit about its implications - citizens hunches--here.
[forum.culteducation.com]
Re: Desteni
Posted by:
freespeech4tw
()
Date: February 14, 2012 01:55AM
[www.youtube.com]
Misleading video title: 'We have a cure for Cancer. Why haven't you heard about it?''
For one, the 'documentary' she is refering to seems to have a rather fishy background:
[en.wikipedia.org]
Also, am I the only one who thinks that her haircut suggests that she is a cancer patient recovering from chemotherapy? Simple minded people, who are, as we all know, Desteni's target audience, might be lead to believe that she is a former cancer patient who can validate these results (or maybe even that Desteni itself has some sort of share in this supposed wonder-therapy).
It speaks volumes about her mindset if she believes everything without questioning, as long as it has the flavour of conspiracy theory about it.
Misleading video title: 'We have a cure for Cancer. Why haven't you heard about it?''
For one, the 'documentary' she is refering to seems to have a rather fishy background:
[en.wikipedia.org]
Also, am I the only one who thinks that her haircut suggests that she is a cancer patient recovering from chemotherapy? Simple minded people, who are, as we all know, Desteni's target audience, might be lead to believe that she is a former cancer patient who can validate these results (or maybe even that Desteni itself has some sort of share in this supposed wonder-therapy).
It speaks volumes about her mindset if she believes everything without questioning, as long as it has the flavour of conspiracy theory about it.
Re: Desteni
Posted by:
ThomDarc
()
Date: March 15, 2012 05:39AM
I put up a twitter account for Desteni so people can say whatever they want about Desteni Productions without fear of being banned or blocked:
[twitter.com]
[twitter.com]
Re: Desteni
Posted by:
ThomDarc
()
Date: March 24, 2012 12:31AM
Response to LLCraver on the Real EMS
[equalmoney.org]
which is in regards to the absurdity of using such words as ‘level of equality’ in one statement, as commonsensically, that does not mathematically compute. Why? Because equality does not have ‘levels’ but is absolute in expression – equal is equal, simple as that – a mathematical equation cannot have ‘different levels of answers’ to the equation. No – that which is on either side of the = must be equal (ex: 1+1=2, 2=2).
I’m sorry Miss Craver but there are degrees of equality in societies – even your run of the mill anthropologist will acknowledge this. Now, if you’re saying that equality doesn’t exist unless it fits into the perfect ideal you have, then that is your viewpoint. I think most people will agree that there is a difference in equality from a society like Ancient Rome and one such as the modern USA. Also, societies are complex creatures. You can’t just plug in 1+1 and expect it to work like you want it. This is why social sciences are considered soft and why physical sciences are considered hard or rather precise.
The argument that there was at some point ‘Egalitarian societies’ is simply not true, and even ‘xfinksx’ noted this when he stated: “While not all Hunter Gatherer and Tribal societies were thoroughly egalitarian…” – yeah, however – not only were ‘not all Hunter Gatherer and Tribal societies thoroughly egalitarian’ – but NONE of them were.
Miss Craver, my point is that those primitive societies approach a level of equality in practice that outshines most other societies including Desteni which is a top down organization. Just look at which direction most of the money flows in your group – which is described in the EMS overview with the funny little potatohead pictures on the Desteni iProcess site. Who is at the center? It isn’t you nor Spamann. I’ll give you hint: It is at the farm. But, what was wrong with those societies in the past that didn’t make them truly equal? Well for the most part, this was the problem:
[www.mesacc.edu]
Now, who at the Desteni farm acts like a Big Man in regards to wealth? Somehow I think he gets more than he gives back. Therefore, the Big Men in those primitive societies are way cooler than Mr. Monster Mash.
Talk about ‘vagueness’ – here, ‘xfinksx’ is making elusive statements, basically punching at the air, with no substance or insight into what he is in fact expressing. He basically is making a statement with no practical significance, as it shows no point of understanding or moreover offers no solution to the problem of inequality.
You know it looks like you just want to call what I’m saying as vague because you’re pissed off that I called your sparkly little meme-toy vague. But whatever, It isn’t vague Miss Craver. It is called ownership of resources. The person or people who own the resources dictate the laws and thereby how wealth is acquired and maintained. You can have all the money you want, but money has no real power by itself. Implementing your EMS will not change where certain resources are located nor would it stop people from trying to horde possessions (here’s a secret: people don’t just horde things for reasons of scarcity). Never will everyone on earth agree to become Desteni tool slave willingly. And unless everyone isn’t mind controlled your EMS won’t ever work period! Now as for solutions and potential realistic alternatives, they are out there – you just don’t bother to look or take the time to understand them. But, they have nothing to do with Desteni pipe dreams, money schemes, self-writing, self-forgiveness, talking to the dead, or ignoring the BS claim that Desteni messages came from some supernatural source.
[equalmoney.org]
which is in regards to the absurdity of using such words as ‘level of equality’ in one statement, as commonsensically, that does not mathematically compute. Why? Because equality does not have ‘levels’ but is absolute in expression – equal is equal, simple as that – a mathematical equation cannot have ‘different levels of answers’ to the equation. No – that which is on either side of the = must be equal (ex: 1+1=2, 2=2).
I’m sorry Miss Craver but there are degrees of equality in societies – even your run of the mill anthropologist will acknowledge this. Now, if you’re saying that equality doesn’t exist unless it fits into the perfect ideal you have, then that is your viewpoint. I think most people will agree that there is a difference in equality from a society like Ancient Rome and one such as the modern USA. Also, societies are complex creatures. You can’t just plug in 1+1 and expect it to work like you want it. This is why social sciences are considered soft and why physical sciences are considered hard or rather precise.
The argument that there was at some point ‘Egalitarian societies’ is simply not true, and even ‘xfinksx’ noted this when he stated: “While not all Hunter Gatherer and Tribal societies were thoroughly egalitarian…” – yeah, however – not only were ‘not all Hunter Gatherer and Tribal societies thoroughly egalitarian’ – but NONE of them were.
Miss Craver, my point is that those primitive societies approach a level of equality in practice that outshines most other societies including Desteni which is a top down organization. Just look at which direction most of the money flows in your group – which is described in the EMS overview with the funny little potatohead pictures on the Desteni iProcess site. Who is at the center? It isn’t you nor Spamann. I’ll give you hint: It is at the farm. But, what was wrong with those societies in the past that didn’t make them truly equal? Well for the most part, this was the problem:
[www.mesacc.edu]
Quote
Egalitarian societal members tend to treat each other as equals. Wealth differences are few as is the amount of power available to any individual or group. The people possess norms that emphasize sharing and ideals of interpersonal equality. This is not to say that stratification is non-existent in these societies. In comparison with nonegalitarian societies, however, stratification is relatively insignificant. Even when someone like a bigman is present, prestige is important and linked to redistribution. However, the bigman gives more than he receives as his role as a redistributor is defined. If he hordes or possesses too much, he will lose the recognition as a bigman. In effect, he is a member of society as an equal who has a defined role that carries prestige but not wealth and recognition but not status.
Now, who at the Desteni farm acts like a Big Man in regards to wealth? Somehow I think he gets more than he gives back. Therefore, the Big Men in those primitive societies are way cooler than Mr. Monster Mash.
Talk about ‘vagueness’ – here, ‘xfinksx’ is making elusive statements, basically punching at the air, with no substance or insight into what he is in fact expressing. He basically is making a statement with no practical significance, as it shows no point of understanding or moreover offers no solution to the problem of inequality.
You know it looks like you just want to call what I’m saying as vague because you’re pissed off that I called your sparkly little meme-toy vague. But whatever, It isn’t vague Miss Craver. It is called ownership of resources. The person or people who own the resources dictate the laws and thereby how wealth is acquired and maintained. You can have all the money you want, but money has no real power by itself. Implementing your EMS will not change where certain resources are located nor would it stop people from trying to horde possessions (here’s a secret: people don’t just horde things for reasons of scarcity). Never will everyone on earth agree to become Desteni tool slave willingly. And unless everyone isn’t mind controlled your EMS won’t ever work period! Now as for solutions and potential realistic alternatives, they are out there – you just don’t bother to look or take the time to understand them. But, they have nothing to do with Desteni pipe dreams, money schemes, self-writing, self-forgiveness, talking to the dead, or ignoring the BS claim that Desteni messages came from some supernatural source.
Re: Desteni
Posted by:
concernedmom83
()
Date: March 24, 2012 01:32AM
Excellent disection of desteni cult Thom!
I have noticed over the last few months of being away that some things stay the same:
self-forgiveness (one should always feel quilty and bad about oneself)
outlandish posts by the members (sadly they will regret one day)
BALDNESS! What happened to the shaving heads for the earth, chemicals or whatever it was.
And the biggest change is a their 'store' with a new gimmicky name. They are now selling
literally anything they can to make money on.
Gotta give bernard and the gang credit for always coming up with new money-making ideas.. for what now
OH YES, EMS or bernie and the farm, whoever needs it more.
I have noticed over the last few months of being away that some things stay the same:
self-forgiveness (one should always feel quilty and bad about oneself)
outlandish posts by the members (sadly they will regret one day)
BALDNESS! What happened to the shaving heads for the earth, chemicals or whatever it was.
And the biggest change is a their 'store' with a new gimmicky name. They are now selling
literally anything they can to make money on.
Gotta give bernard and the gang credit for always coming up with new money-making ideas.. for what now
OH YES, EMS or bernie and the farm, whoever needs it more.
Re: Desteni
Posted by:
ThomDarc
()
Date: March 28, 2012 03:13AM
Quote
concernedmom83
What happened to the shaving heads for the earth, chemicals or whatever it was.
They certainly made a big deal out of it a few years ago. I think many still do the head shaving but it is not emphasized anymore. You know cause it was more about a statement than attracting attention and getting people to buy in. Maybe Poolman got over his hair envy? Or more likely it wasnt helping to bring in the pesos.
Re: Desteni
Posted by:
Sandman
()
Date: April 03, 2012 08:00PM
Andrea Rossouw of Desteni has posted on one of her blogs what appears to be an academic paper...
2012 Internet Victimization and Rick Ross - http://andrearossouw.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/internet-victimization-and-rick-ross
a Criminology Paper 2012
Section A: Critically discuss the phenomenon of internet/virtual victimization and provide a case study or newspaper/internet article to substantiate your discussion of the topic
Table of Content
Introduction.
Definition of Key Concepts:
2.1. Internet
2.2. Victimization
Types of Internet Victimization:
3.1. Flaming.
3.2. Denigration or dissing.
3.3. Bash Boarding.
3.4. Defamation of Character.
3.5. False Accusations.
3.6. Rumor.
An example of Internet Victimization: The Rick Ross Forum
Conclusion.
Quote:
Recently I had such an experience where an online group focused their attention on myself and a group that I participate with on the Internet. The group that I participate with researches the nature and consciousness of humanity and has supportive tools for people to use, based on the research. The group in question did not agree with our findings and our methods and took it upon themselves to proceed with over 100 pages of internet bullying such as defamation, the creating of rumors, denigration and bash boarding. From there many of the members commenced the bullying on other forums and social network sites. The Consequence of their attacks, was the creation of a negative public image for the organization/group, which directly influences the effective establishment of the group on the Internet, as a support group, due to false allegations. This in turn influences not only the functioning of the group on the internet but their income as well.
The post includes a link to Darryl Thomas' blog, The Cult of the Deprogrammer: Rick Ross - http://darrylthomas.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/the-cult-of-the-deprogrammer-rick-ross
Andrea states that members of this forum "made up stories about sexual abuse, child abuse etc" but there are IN FACT no such stories on this forum. I would point out to her that if someone makes a remark about for example, the age of recruits, that is not "making up a story about sexual abuse".
Almsot all of the information and comments at this forum about Desteni have been in relation to material produced by Desteni and links to their websites have been provided. No-one here has made up stories about what Desteni do or say, they have offered their perspective on what Desteni already publicly make known what they do or say.
In the image Andrea shows of her selected highlights from this forum the last comment circled is from YouTube.
It is strange that although she refers to being in a certain group, not anywhere in her paper does she actually use the name, Desteni.
2012 Internet Victimization and Rick Ross - http://andrearossouw.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/internet-victimization-and-rick-ross
a Criminology Paper 2012
Section A: Critically discuss the phenomenon of internet/virtual victimization and provide a case study or newspaper/internet article to substantiate your discussion of the topic
Table of Content
Introduction.
Definition of Key Concepts:
2.1. Internet
2.2. Victimization
Types of Internet Victimization:
3.1. Flaming.
3.2. Denigration or dissing.
3.3. Bash Boarding.
3.4. Defamation of Character.
3.5. False Accusations.
3.6. Rumor.
An example of Internet Victimization: The Rick Ross Forum
Conclusion.
Quote:
Recently I had such an experience where an online group focused their attention on myself and a group that I participate with on the Internet. The group that I participate with researches the nature and consciousness of humanity and has supportive tools for people to use, based on the research. The group in question did not agree with our findings and our methods and took it upon themselves to proceed with over 100 pages of internet bullying such as defamation, the creating of rumors, denigration and bash boarding. From there many of the members commenced the bullying on other forums and social network sites. The Consequence of their attacks, was the creation of a negative public image for the organization/group, which directly influences the effective establishment of the group on the Internet, as a support group, due to false allegations. This in turn influences not only the functioning of the group on the internet but their income as well.
The post includes a link to Darryl Thomas' blog, The Cult of the Deprogrammer: Rick Ross - http://darrylthomas.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/the-cult-of-the-deprogrammer-rick-ross
Andrea states that members of this forum "made up stories about sexual abuse, child abuse etc" but there are IN FACT no such stories on this forum. I would point out to her that if someone makes a remark about for example, the age of recruits, that is not "making up a story about sexual abuse".
Almsot all of the information and comments at this forum about Desteni have been in relation to material produced by Desteni and links to their websites have been provided. No-one here has made up stories about what Desteni do or say, they have offered their perspective on what Desteni already publicly make known what they do or say.
In the image Andrea shows of her selected highlights from this forum the last comment circled is from YouTube.
It is strange that although she refers to being in a certain group, not anywhere in her paper does she actually use the name, Desteni.
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