A Sufi author who was involved in a Gurdjieff group with what appears to be a venerable pedigree has some intriguing information. The group was reportedly not pleased when he chose to leave.
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The author has an entire library of topics on spiritual abuse within Sufism
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and..another library of essays on general Sufi topics here:
'Streams to the Ocean
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In the Gurdjieff essay the author mentions the following which I thought was worth quoting:
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Some of my earliest contacts with anything remotely related to the Sufi Path was through Gurdjieff and Ouspensky.
' I actually spent some time with a Gurdjieff group that was tied to Madam Walsh - wife of the attending physician at the time of Gurdjieff's passing away in France.
'One of the other primary lines of Gurdjieff-linked teachings was through Madam de Hartmann, wife of Thomas de Hartmann who often played, and helped arrange, the music that was played in conjunction with the form of sacred dancing which Gurdjieff introduced to the West.
'Interestingly, at the time I was involved with all of this, the latter group didn't seem to have much to do with the former group, and vice versa.
While there were many very talented and intelligent people associated with the Gurdjieff-like group with which I spent a little over a year, I didn't feel any of the leaders of the group had substantial spiritual insight into the nature of Being.
More importantly, not only did I find some of their answers to my questions problematic - especially as things related to the possible links between Gurdjieff and the Sufi tradition, alluded to in, for example, the second of three works by Gurdjieff - namely, Meetings with Remarkable Men -
"but, as well, I found disconcerting and troublesome the way several of them came in search of me at my place of employment when I indicated to them that I was going to pursue the Sufi Path rather than continue with the Gurdjieff group.
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All too many people confuse manifestations of worldly kashf with spirituality. Although some authentic shaykhs have access to such powers, the general principle among legitimate guides is to keep one's distance, as much as possible, from matters of worldly kashf.
I have read much that Gurdjieff has written (including: Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson) along with many of the writings of his followers such as Ouspensky, Nicoll (e.g., the multi-volume Commentaries), as well as spent some time with at least one person who actually knew Gurdjieff. Nonetheless, although I saw lots of evidence for worldly kashf in Gurdjieff (and some of those who followed him), there seemed to be very little evidence for spiritual kashf in conjunction with him - indeed, there seemed to be more confusion about spirituality swirling around, and through, his teachings than clarity.
Gurdjieff was interested - or, so, he claimed - in waking people from their sleep. But, there is such a thing as dreaming that one has awoken, only to remain fast asleep, and one of the questions which is still relevant with respect to Gurdjieff and his teachings is to what extent Gurdjieff was actually spiritually awake, or to what extent his teachings were capable of helping one find the truth of things.
God knows best what the truth is concerning him. However, he gives expression to a continuing problem for seekers after the Truth, and, in fact, this is the primary reason why I have spent a bit of time talking about Gurdjieff.
I have heard many people allude to powerful zikrs that they have experienced. I, too, have participated in zikrs which have quite powerful.
Nonetheless, one still can raise questions about what is actually transpiring during such sessions or from where the power is coming which may be associated with a given zikr. The unrealized individual is vulnerable to attacks from Iblis and nafs while saying zikr - or, while engaged in prayer, contemplation and seclusion, and the presence of an altered state of consciousness in conjunction with certain practices does not necessarily mean that the state is an expression of Divine favor.
Trans-personal experience does not, in and of itself, necessarily say anything about the significance of such experience. Iblis is capable of inducing non-ordinary states of consciousness, as is nafs, and so are practitioners of occult systems. Many drugs - designer and natural - also are capable of generating very powerful, transforming experiences, and, under certain circumstances, group dynamics can bring about overwhelming emotional, physical, and psychological changes.
Just for clarification, Gurdjieff's stuff and Traditionalism are two different ideologies.
But both have the same outcome: adherants feel they are on some sort of secret mission and that those who disagree are at best clueless and at worst, against them. A pattern of dissumulation and concealment seems often to be part of the deal.
And...selective recruitment of persons deemed useful to 'the cause.'
Am proud to be clueless about Gurdjieff.
And I dont mind dying like a dog. Unlike human beings, dogs are loyal and incapable of lying. In the case of dogs, what you see is what you get.
Agehananda Bharati put it nicely when he said, you cannot get esoteric truth from esoteric lies.
As for the old chestnut that superior spiritual attainment releases one from the obligation of conventional ethics (or in the case of Islam, following Sharia), there is a story told of a sheikh during Ramadan. It is forbidden during daylight to drink or eat during Ramadan.
All at once, a vision of an oasis and date palms appears and an angelic voice invited the holy man to partake, saying 'Your sanctity is such that you are free to eat and drink.'
So the story goes, the sheikh replied, 'I take refuge in God from Shaytan the Accursed.
'So how did you know it was me?' the Tempter asked.
'Partly from your tone of voice,' the master replied, 'and because God never exempts anyone from following the Sharia.'
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 08/07/2008 01:09AM by corboy.