Deceptive practices by christians
Posted by: KevinBishop ()
Date: October 10, 2006 07:54AM

There is a christian-based private investigator business who devulges confidential information to an opposing side. They are in business to show others how to discern cultic practices when they use the same techniques. Some of you may be familiar with the name of Faithfinders, Inc., in Littleton, CO. They use their christianity to gain confidence & then will extort money. They are backed by another christian church in that area so they can bully their way in deceptive practices. Beware.

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Re: Deceptive practices by christians (facts of the case)
Posted by: chrisbuda ()
Date: February 29, 2008 01:30AM

‘IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA

Lynn, as personal representative

for the estate of Stickel,

Plaintiff,

vs.

Johnny L. Chambers; Natalie A.

Chambers; Tatjana Guenther,

Defendant.

No. CV 99-2189-PHX-MHM

ORDER

Presently pending before the Court are two letters from Defendant Tatjana Guenther.

The first letter the Court has construed as a Motion to Vacate the Judgment (Doc. 40). The

second letter the Court has construed as a Motion to Remove the Case (Doc. 42), however

this letter looks like a continuation of Defendant’s request to vacate the judgment. Plaintiff

has filed a Response. The Court considers the papers submitted and issues the following

Order.

BACKGROUND

This lawsuit was filed on December 14, 1999. Defendant Tatjana Guenther was

personally served with a summons and complaint on May 14, 2001. Judgment was entered

against all Defendants, including Ms. Guenther on April 5, 2002.

Defendant Guenther’s now requests to vacate the judgment based on the following:

(1) it is unfair that she has been subject to post-judgment collection efforts in Oklahoma, and

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(2) Jeff and Sandy Chrisman, who are not parties to this action, are persons whose character

Ms. Guenther questions.

LEGAL STANDARD

Rule 60(b) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure provides as follows:

On motion and upon such terms as are just, the court may relieve a party or a

party’s legal representative from a final judgment, order, or proceeding for the

following reasons: (1) mistake, inadvertence, surprise, or excusable neglect;

(2) newly discovered evidence which by due diligence could not have been

discovered in time to move for a new trial under Rule 59(b); (3) fraud (whether

heretofore denominated intrinsic or extrinsic), misrepresentation, or other

misconduct of an adverse party; (4) the judgment is void; (5) the judgment has

been satisfied, released, or discharged, or a prior judgment upon which it is

based has been reversed or otherwise vacated, or it is no longer equitable that

the judgment should have prospective application; or (6) any other reason

justifying relief from the operation of the judgment. The motion shall be made

within a reasonable time, and for reasons (1), (2), and (3) not more than one

year after the judgment, order, or proceeding was entered or taken.

DISCUSSION

Initially, the Court notes that Defendant Guenther did not serve the instant Motions

on the Plaintiff. This is in direct violation of Rule 5 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

Defendant is directed to serve on the Plaintiff any further documents that she files in this

case. Defendant also is warned that failure to serve documents on the Plaintiff will not be

looked upon kindly by this Court.

Over five years have passed since entry of judgment in this case. Therefore, pursuant

to Rule 60(b), any request to vacate the judgment for reasons (1), (2) or (3) of Rule 60(b) is

untimely. Ms. Guenther has not suggested a basis under reason (5) that the judgment has

been satisfied, released, or discharged. Thus, Defendant’s Motion must be considered under

reason (4) that the judgment is void or under reason (6) that other reasons justify relief from

the operation of the judgment.

A judgment is void only if the court that rendered the judgment lacked jurisdiction

over either the subject matter or the parties, or acted in a manner inconsistent with due

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process of law. In re Center Wholesale, Inc., 759 F.2d 1440, 1448 (9th Cir. 1985). Ms.

Guenther has made no showing of any facts to suggest that the judgment here is void.

To obtain relief under Rule 60(b)(6), a party must demonstrate “extraordinary

circumstances which prevent or render him unable to prosecute [the case].” Martella v.

Marine Cooks & Stewards Union, 448 F.2d 729, 730 (9th Cir. 1971). The party must

demonstrate both injury and circumstances beyond her control that prevented her from

proceeding with the defense of the action in a proper fashion. United States v. Alpine Land

& Reservoir Co., 984 F.2d 1047, 1049 (9th Cir. 1993). Ms. Guenther’s primary issue with

the judgment seems to be that the judgment from this Court was registered with the United

States District Court in Oklahoma pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1963. Ms. Guenther also takes

issue with the alleged post judgment conduct by persons who are not parties to this lawsuit.

Ms. Guenther states that the reason she did not file any sort of responsive pleading in this

case was because she had just moved “out of” Tulsa, Oklahoma and was “going on a

missionary trip out of the country and firmly believe that [she] was innocent. . .” Def.’s

March 26, 2007 Letter to the Court. These assertions are not grounds for vacating the

Court’s judgment under Rule 60(b)(6). Defendant has not demonstrated injury and

circumstances beyond her control that prevented her from proceeding with the defense of this

action. Accordingly, Defendant’s Motion to Vacate the Judgment is denied.

CONCLUSION

For the foregoing reasons,

IT IS ORDERED that Defendant’s letter construed as a Motion to Vacate the

Judgment (Doc. 40) is denied.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Defendant’s letter construed as a Motion to

Remove the Case (Doc. 42) is denied.

DATED this 10th day of July, 2007.

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Re: Deceptive practices by christians
Posted by: chrisbuda ()
Date: February 29, 2008 01:31AM

Dear Ms. Wooten:

We are highly recommending Ms. Sandra Chrisman as a reliable, competent and skillfull private investigator whose background is impeccable. We have associated ourselves with Ms. Chrisman because of The Trinity Foundation's recommendation regarding some personal investigative work for us. If it wasn't for Ms. Chrisman and her expertise in this field, we never would have accomplished all of what she had produced for us.

The quality and professionalism that Ms. Chrissman exhibits in her work will always give you 100 percent satisfaction. Ms. Chrisman does put in that extra effort to accomplish what is set out by her to do; even though more time may be involved than initially planned.

In our opinion you will be very fortunate to have Ms. Chrisman assist you in whatever you employ her to do.

Sincerely,


Catherine and Christine Buda

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