The group leader of the "NCCG" group in Sweden (documented at www.geocities.com/nccg_concern ) recently made a series of highly paranoid and ranting posts in his group messageboards.

The group leader is making these posts in response to a specific incident. I did not see in any of the posts where the group leader explains this incident. There were a few indirect references to it, but in each case, the actual reason for the incident was not specified. Instead, "hacking" is incorrectly indicated. Due to privacy concerns, I myself cannot explain this incident here.

I am including some of the text from these posts below. It may be interesting reading.

On the subject of Rick Ross:

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I feel, that our latest critic refuses to identify either himself (or herself) or his belief system, andf that he is supplying his information to a 'cult-watch' group run by a Jew (Rick Ross) who has classified all Messianic Jews as 'cultic' simply' because he believes that it is immoral to evangelise and recruit Jews to Christianity simply because he doesn't like Christianity (not that's bias in the extreme)!

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One 'investigator', whom we believe may well be a satanist, has started a website called 'NCCG Concern' which is making an 'investigation' for the secular Rick Ross anti-cult organisation (the one who thinks converting to Jews to Christ is 'cultic activity').

Rick Ross is Jewish? I had no idea! ;)

(The above paragraphs also reference me as "our latest critic" and "One 'investigator'". )

The group leader's stated opinions on "deprogrammers" and similar up until this recent incident generally had a positive slant, with an attitude similar to "They generally do good work, but can be wrong once in a while". This was while he maintained the public perspective that his own group did not resemble the "cults", was not dangerous, and so on, so anti-cult information could never apply to his group.

This has changed since this recent incident. My impression is that he (correctly) perceives that the information on this messageboard about his group, as well as this site's link to my research web site, as a danger to his recruitment efforts. It's also possible that the group leader thinks that one outcome of the recent incident is going to be bad publicity on the Rick Ross web site itself. In this and other communications with group members, Warren appears to be grooming the group members to distrust the Rick Ross cult education resources as well as any other cult education or exit counseling activities.

This group leader has a habit of accusing people he wishes to discredit of being "Satanists". While he seems to have stopped short of calling Rick Ross a Satanist, he does start pointing the "Satanist" finger my way! <chuckle>.

Other interesting sections (much of this is indicated in the context of my research site):

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In examining any critic's analysis of another person and religious movement it is therefore vital to find out just what his own belief system is, whether he actually lives it or is only acting it out (like the Pharisees of yesteryear) and therefore through what interpretive lens he is seeing the world.

The above is probably stated because I do not indicate a personal religious affiliation on my research site. This group leader frequently uses a person's religious affiliation (or status as an atheist or agnostic) to attack them, no matter how benign that affiliation may be. Hints or accusations about the person being a "Satanist" or otherwise supporting or being involved with "Satanic covens" often follow.

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If you come into contact with tale-bearers and slanderers, it is your duty to ignore them and break off all contact after warning them that what they are doing is harmful and unchristian. Anybody who repeats private family matters to others, without their consent, in this community will be warned to desist. If they continue they will be thrown out.

This community has previously (before detailed rules of conduct were established) witnessed such activities as well as their destructive effects. The mistrust and divisiveness which it breeds simply harms the Body of Christ and reduces what is a sacred and holy principle - marriage - into a soap opera for the entertainment of carnal man. We will not tolerate that here. Furthermore, those who take delight in such things, and who regard these things as theatre or entertainment are not welcome here.

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In regard to private family life we refuse to comment on principle because it is nobody's concern, and especially not malicious parties. We particularly find it obnoxious when personal intimacies between husbands and wives are published after hacking because this is nothing less than the spirit of adultery. What apsses between husbands and wives in the romantic realm is, as far as we are concerned, their marriage bed, which is holy and sacred. We won't even repond to romantic or sexually explicit material, assuming it is even genuine, because this makes what is holy into pornography. Therefore we rightly view such people as adulterers and pornographers who as far as Yahweh is concerned are under a spiritual death-sentence.

It must be remembered that it is extremely easy to doctor evidence - emails, IMs and even pictures can be changed and digitally altered. We have advanced beyond the crude falsification of pictures (for example) that characterised old-fashioned film (a classic is one is one in which Trotsky has been removed from a picture with Stalin following Lenin's death on a speaking platform in order to boost Stalin's position - Trotsky was later assassinated in Mexico by Stalin's henchmen. It's easy to spot such fakes but nowadays the art is very sophisticated along with forgery in general. Just look how complicated modern banknotes are). So if people come a long claiming to have in their possession private logs and conversations which were hacked, simply dismiss them as criminals and perverts and refuse to see what is offered you privately or what is published online. We will - and I hope you will also - simply refuse to comment on such material.

Throughout my ministry accusations of financial and sexual misconduct have frequently been made, these being the most popular in attempts by the enemy to discredit Christian ministers. I mentioned the imaginary Australian hiker earlier. I have been accused of wife-swapping, pedophilia, bigamy, and other things that I won't even bother mentioning. You can be quite sure that the enemy will try to do so again. Since we know the truth, we have clear consciences, and can categorically state, in Yah'shua's Name, that we have never behaved immorally in the sexual realm and been true to biblical standards. I have never commited fornication or adultery, and never will, as Yahweh is my witness. More than that we refuse to say.

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Finally, a group of Lutherans banded together many years ago and accused me of being a pervert because we supported, amongst other things, the rights of Kenyan Christian polygamists to continue living their lifestyle in the face of opposition by the traditional denominations (Catholic and Anglican/Presbyterian, who ironically and hypocritically accommodate the practice thsemselves in this and other Third World countries on condition that their newly baptised polyagmous parishoners do not expand their families further - other violently split the families apart and cause much suffering and impoverishment). By selectively taking materials from our website out of context and selectively photocopying extracts from stolen letters quoted out of context, they attempted to convince my employer that I was a dangerous man who, by virtue of my position of responsibility as a school teacher, should be dismissed 'for the safety of the children'. Fortunately, by employer, who knew me well over many years, smelled a rat and simply dismissed the whole matter without further ado. It was an unpleasant and distatasteful experience but served the purpose of strengthening my resolution not to be intimidated by such dishonourable people. Only when I threatened the people concerned with legal action for harrassment did they finally desist, but not before one of them had threatened to come and beat me up. Amusingly, the day he was to set out on his wicked appointment, the kitchen of his house caught fire and was burned out, forcing him to remain at home and leave me to go home unmolested. The same people attempted to take me to court, have me deported from Norway, put me in prison, and have my children seized by Social Services. Needless to say they totally failed in their evil attempts, Yahweh warning me ina dvance in vision of their wicked designs.

As mentioned in the text, the events referenced above transpired during the group's time in Norway, before the group's move to the compound in Sweden. The employment referenced should be one of the following:
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Part-time English Teacher at Våk State School, Våler Kommune, Østfold, Norway (1991-4)
Head of Computer Science and ICT Department, Oslo International School (1988-99)
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May I also remind our people that we owe nothing to those who act dishonestly or illegally. If someone came to me and accused a fellow brother by presenting me hacked material from emails or IM conversations (for example), I would refuse to look at it, because a hacker is, by default, a criminal. You can check MSN and Yahoo Privacy Policy to know the legalities of such things. The Bible says that for a person to be implicated in a crime there must be at least two witnesses who are fellow Israelites (i.e. not just any Tom, Dick or Harry). There are plenty of satanists posing as Christians. They run whole churches, thousands of them, and have done so, in many cases, for many generations. Just because someone calls themselves a 'Christian' or a 'believer' does not make you or I obligated to treat them as fellow Messianic Israelites or to be answerable to them. And to remove the accusation that it is possible to cover up by limiting yourself to your own people, let it be known that we are a part of a Beit Din of Messianics based in the USA consisting of many different Messianic groups worldwide who resolve inter-fellowship disputes and who carefully check the credentials of anyone bringing forth accusations. We frequently consult one another when smear campaigns are launched against our integrity and share information about known criminals and dishonest activists.

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We're anticipating hacked and faked IM's and emails to be 'published' in the immediate future. When they are, remember how they got them and don't assume they're genuine whatever data they may publish showing IP addresses and the like. Remember, anything can be forged. If people like Joseph Smith can make up an entire history of a nation and theology (with demonic help) called the Book of Mormon, then don't put it past people to make up imaginative conversations using real live people. This also goes for 'recorded' telephone conversations. I remember being shown an audiovisual website recently in which President Bush was making speeches and saying things he never said in real life. The editing was clever and seamless. Using sophisticated computer programs, it is possible to make up imaginary audiovisual conversations by using the word prints taken from from genuine taperecorded conversations. Science has become sophisticated. You can never be sure what is real these days unless you were an eyewitness yourself, and even them some eyewitnesses have agendas and can be untruthful, as we know from those who falsely testified at Yah'shua's trial.

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On one occasion I hinted to someone I was IMing on Yahoo telling him I was on my way to the airport to Moscow to assist the escape of an SRA victim in Russia. The coven response was immediate and they had a man monitoring me in a car parked by the roadside. He was there all day because when I returned from town on what was, in fact, a shopping trip, he was still there, and when he saw me returning I could see him angrily cussing. We know our phones are tappened and email read too so there is actually no privacy online - hacking into email and IMs is an easy task which, as one satanist told me once, does not require someone with the 'brains of a rocket-scientist' to do. She was impersonating one of my clients after the covens had tried to persuade me that she was dead - they often rig fake deaths (usually car accidents) to make their people 'disappear' (and even arrange fake funerals). Since she was sympathetic to the plight of my client, she shared some insider secrets - and though a lot of material of this nature coming from covens is premeditated misinformation, there are genuine sympathisers who want to help and be helped. Most are prisoners of satanism against their will. So be aware: online chats are not private.

Within the last 24 hours of preparing this article, emails have been sent to members of our online groups to warn them that we are a 'cult' and to visit their 'NCCG Concern' website which we have linked to our own main group and made some preliminary comments about. To read about this, join NCCG Cyber Community and find the link at 'NCCG Critics'.

It is also important to realise that satanist spin-doctors pose online as being benevolent informers on people like ourselves. They are not amateurs and know now to make themselves credible by actually supporting or contributing to Christian websites that are trying to expose genuine cultic groups. In this way they gain credibility and respect. They even have people purporting to be exposing satanic cults but who circulate information that is already known (and is therefore harmless) about satanism, and sufficient misinformation to get people off the covens' trail.

I added a short page to my research site, linked at the bottom of the page, which is intended for group members who might be looking for some kind of response from me to the content of these strange posts. That page is at www.geocities.com/nccg_concern/strange.html .

As mentioned in another post, the group is currently involved in an effort to get internet-located cult members to move to the compound in Sweden. This activity is still under way, and families who become aware of what is happening are likely to look for help with their situation.

--nccg_concern (nccg.concern@hotmail.com)

www.geocities.com/nccg_concern

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We know without a shadow of a doubt we are being hacked, that information is leaking through from hacked private material to nccg_concern, and whether nccg_concern is the hacker himself or not (I have never said he was, incidentally), there is no doubt he is in cahoots with criminals (ignorantly or deliberately, I have no idea). And as to whether he is a satanist ot not is also unknown to me, but I have no doubt whatsoever that he is receiving information either from satanists or their sympathisers who we have known for years have been hacking our Yahoo and MSN accounts.

The nature of the incident he's referencing is actually such that the non-group people involved would not be chargeable with having committed a crime or any sort of hacking.

This is the first time I have been able to passively observe a real-life situation and see how Warren handles it. I keep posting this stuff in here because what I learned from watching him proceed is a breakthrough of sorts in my research about this group (I am not playing some kind of silly game of tag with him in his group messageboards).

It appears to me that Christopher Warren is a thoughtful, creative manipulator, and I say this primarily because of this tactic I am observing. In this recent incident, he immediately went to work setting up different "facts" and "incidents" surrounding the main incident. It's clear that later, he will be better aligned to more easily guide the group members into believing what he wants them to believe about the fallout he appears to think is coming. One of the little "facts" he indicated in this case was absolutely, factually, and verifiably incorrect, but none of the group members seem to be verifying any of this stuff for themselves.

I can see where he appears to be doing other types of manipulation as well, but this situation-building stuff was the most interesting to me.

I had the suspicion from the language he used while discussing other incidents (ones I had no real-life information about) that he might be doing things like this. This is the first time I have had a wholly verifiable situation to observe, and it's obvious what's happening and what he's doing.

In terms of my research of this group, this is new stuff, and I am posting about it here for that reason. I think it belongs somewhere obvious (like this place).

A few more comments about Rick Ross made by Warren:

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Now an honest investigative ministry would insist on properly checking out motives, at best a difficult task and often impossible because the deliberate liars will always seek to actively remain concealed. That is why in Torah accusers were always expected to present themselves physically within a community where they were well known where living witnesses could testify as to their integrity or lack of it. Morever, the accusations should be to the one accused in full opennness.

Now none of these safeguards is actually maintained by the Rick Ross group. Everything is shrouded in secrecy, there are no proper accountability structures other than, we suppose, a cabal of those who share the same life philosophy (hence Ross' universal categorisation of all Messianic Jews as 'cultic') which is never identified.

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You see, it is possible to look at anyone anyway you want to given a little bias and prejudice. Really, to be fait, we should be allowed to go through Rick Ross' and nccg_concern's, Mr, Mole's and Mr. Hackers lives with a comb, don't you? I mean, fair's fair. I wonder what we'd find? I guarantee it would be very interesting indeed. In fact, I would wager that all of them would be found wanting and that the accusation of hypocrisy would fall easily from a carefully scrutinising public.

--nccg_concern
www.geocities.com/nccg_concern

Christopher C. Warren has now pasted the full texts from Scientology magazine articles (Freedom Magazine) that drag exit counselors (and Rick Ross especially) through the dirt into his nccgcybercommunity message board.

Some of the NCCG members are going to limit their field of trusted information about exit counselors to only the information presented in the NCCG message boards. Those NCCG members are likely to internalize the malicious perspective being presented in the Scientology articles and by Christopher C. Warren, and will cite the factual-type information in the articles as the basis for this perspective.

Some information that could provide some balance to the Freedom Magazine articles would be as follows:

[www.culteducation.com]

[www.culteducation.com]

[www.culteducation.com]


Christopher C. Warren's own conclusions as presented in the context of the Freedom Magazine articles/etc is as follows:

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It is becoming more and more clear as we invetigate the criminal activities of these "cult deprogammers" that not only are these people highly violent and unstable with criminal records but they show unmistakable signs of being rabidly anti-religious. We will show later that their criteria of judgment are bogus and that what they are actually doing is using the real cults as a stringboard for victimising and persecuting all Bible-believing Christians. Since they refuse to tell us who they are or what they believe in, we must inevitably draw our own conclusions based on the evidence of their criminal past. Whilst some may just be financial opportunists, others clearly have a communist or satanistic agenda or something akin to it.

How foolish we were to even believe that they might be decent but misguided people. The truth will out and we shall see these people for what they are. More information coming anon.

I had not noticed Christopher C. Warren pointing the "communist" finger at anyone before. The "satanist" one is much more common.

Christopher C. Warren seems to be grouping me (nccg_concern web site author) together with Rick Ross, and is assigning an evil agenda and blame to both of us due to my investigation being reported on my [www.geocities.com] web site.

nccg_concern
[www.geocities.com]

Standard mode of operation with them.

"enemies of the church" that "god" needs to destroy

Rick was sued into oblivion over the Jason Scott case

but, take note...

Rick is still here.

and I get a lot of strength from that

thanks Rick

A last update for this thread:

Here is a fresh example of Warren's type of information manipulation. It's not too often that I know all of the circumstances behind something he is addressing, and this is one of those times.

He posted this in his own message board, and I'll point out the manipulation as it appears:

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From: Community_Moderator Sent: 5/22/2006 10:13 PM

Mr.Concern has been busy posting on his website again - there are so many lies and distortions that it is not even worth replying to. Most of what he writes is ad hominem attacks.

When critics start making personal attacks you know they are losing. His 'academic impartiality' has now given way to the heart of Mr.Concern who seems to be spending the better part of his life 'researching' us. There is a very bitter and angry man behind this.

Warren is responding to a medium-length, new section of my web site. This single page was written for an intended audience of group members who may be moving from fringe to core types of involvement (my report did not have anything like that before). It discusses undue influence and shows a few examples of it as it is used in the group, the group's uses of SRA/MPD and some education on those topics, and a number of other things. It was [b:28ca8f2e6b]absolutely critical[/b:28ca8f2e6b] for me to use a much different writing style than is used in other areas of the report, using visual aids and attention-getting language to communicate as effectively as possible to this audience. Warren most certainly understands why the style difference was used, but he is pretending to the group members that it represents other things.

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IMO the only valid criticism he makes is in questioning the authenticity of three of the prophecies in the Olive Branch - you can get a handle on such criticisms, but the rest is just wind.

The above referenced authenticity issues are ones he has already overcome with group members, having explained them away to their satisfaction. The biggest hitting ones should have been the MPD/SRA information and the undue influence discussion.

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No matter, we have discovered more about Mr.Concern and will expose him finally for the deceiver he is. For one thing, we now now that Mr.Concern and Mr.Mole are one and the same. He is posing as someone in DFD and likely in here too. His attempt at distancing and being 'neutral' are wholly bogus.

Warren was for a while broadcasting to the group that several people were behind my web site's creation and research. This was strictly his idea, as my web site had only mentioned having one author. In the latest update, I made some comments expressing what perhaps should have been expected from the start, that my web site and research was primarily a one-man operation. Warren appears to be representing this as his "discovery" regarding two people actually being one.

It should also have been obvious to Warren that I have had access to both of the referenced message boards "DFD and likely in here too" for some time This is not a new discovery at all.

My guess is that he is building toward something, and these comments will contribute to group members' perception of Warren always being on top of the situation.

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His day is soon over.

This is an interesting sentence due to its timing. My ongoing research of this group ceased last week and a new statement on the front of my research site communicates this. I have seen a few occasions where he appeared to do situational manipulation where the timing within the events did not support the proclaimed outcome, but it was done regardless, and appeared to be effective. He may be considering deleting a few accounts from his message board and claiming that he "won". Obviously I do not know this for sure, and may not find out unless I keep paying attention.

My finished report is at [www.geocities.com]. The material included for group members is linked at [www.geocities.com] . The exact link containing the material I wrote for group members of deepening involvement is at [www.geocities.com] . I may make a few adjustments to some areas of the site to increase accuracy, but the main effort is complete.

Personal note (the one and only personal note made so far): SRA "recovered" memories/MPD induction/hypnosis/kids going psycho. Obviously dirty pool.

--NCCG_Concern

nccg.concern@hotmail.com