Guru Occupational Disease Cluster
Posted by:
corboy
()
Date: September 23, 2018 12:08AM
Corboy proposes a specific diagnostic entity Guru Occupational Disease Cluste
Predispositions
* Inability to enjoy peer to peer adult relationships
* Overriding need to control people and people's perceptions of self
* Ambition
* Inability to distinguish between clean money and dirty money
* Family members who profit
* Creation of glamorous backstory, stories may change, books, literature
and websites documenting earlier backstories may be suppressed
For an example, read how Byron Katie suppressed earlier books such as Cry In the Desert and Losing the Moon. Her current disciples are told only her Cockroach Story.
[forum.culteducation.com]
Post by Wanderer77 who claims to have been friends with Eckhart Tolle
[forum.culteducation.com]
* Presents as confident and charming; hides a long history of
studying various methods of social manipulation
* Early career often spent in retail, marketing, sales, teaching, in some
cases as a monk or junior clergy
* May study methods of trance induction, takes care to conceal this
* May study with exploitative gurus, if guru has bad reputation often hides this hides this from followers
* During pre-guru career phase, often involves self with other gurus, other
self help organizations, learning people management skills, logistics of
booking cheap rooms, advertising free meditation sessions, creating travel packages to retreat settings, etc
(Guru may have prior background in Scientology, est, Landmark Education or other Large Group Awareness Training, if studied with abusive gurus will take care to hide this (Adi Da, Rajneesh/Osho, Andrew Cohen, Frederick Lenz/Zen Master Rama)
* May rationalize abuse as necessary for spiritual growth - crazy wisdom.
* May claim bogus ties to Himalayan Buddhisms or Advaita sages who left no lineage but are dead and in no position to complain.
(Ramana Maharshi left no lineage and this has not kept a multitude from claiming to be in his lineage.)
Charismatic and Accessible During Early Career
* Often handsome and slim, when older will often become pudgy if not obese
* Gift of gab
* Sets up in areas associated with famous gurus (Tiruvannamalai, India.
* Rents space for events at reputable Zen Centers, other Buddhist centers, public libraries
* May set up as close to Harvard College as possible to make it seem guru is Harvard affiliated; may do this with other universities as well
* Offers free meditation classes
* Posts fliers on bulletin boards and windows of laundromats, Indian restaurants, health food stores, yoga studios, buddhist centers (Most Western Buddhists dread practicing wrong speech and hesitate to imagine that a charlatan guru is using their reputable practice center facilities and bulletin board)
* May set up yoga centers, sponsor vegetarian or vegan restaurants, food products, cooking classes,
* Cultivates and charms academics and scientists who are not alert enough to fact check and unaware they are prime targets for gurus on the make
* May find ways to associate cult with feel good events such as Christmas
pageants, childrens schools that outside community becomes invested in.
* Creates a charity project to distract from spending bulk of funds on self and on enriching extended family
* Encourages some disciples to drop out of school or work if more useful in the gurus entourage (Guru says education inflates intellectual arrogance and is a hindrance to spiritual development)
* Insists other disciples stay in work place or finish their schooling if this makes them more valuable to the guru (Guru says work and education are that persons proper dharma, says it is householder practice)
* May talent spot and pay some promising disciples to go through school and professional training as therapists, health care professionals who then become
"owned" by the guru, like old time mafia lawyers.
* Guru and disciples say they are apolitical but acquire property, which means they will be very political, especially when dealing with neighbors
* Becomes expert or hires experts in PR, real estate, finance, website design, social media marketing, search engine optimization, hospitality and event planning.
* Generates excitement by announcing plans for ashram, solicites funds and donated labor
* Recycles material from other gurus and does not give credit
* Goes on tours, travels
* Uses same few quotes from Bhagavad Gita
* Emphasizes in early years how simple the practice is
* Denies it is a religion, claims its an alternative to and liberates from religion
* Discourages and devalues study of the tradition, to conceal own ignorance from disciples
* Uses silences, jokes, giggles when cannot answer questions
* Gets disciples to laugh at anyone who asks awkward questions
* Atmosphere around the early career guru is often free and delightful, lots of improvisation. Easy to socialize with the guru
Guruitis - Mid Career
* Often begins to wear white clothing. Always has vase of flowers on table or
by chair.
* Enforcers appear - senior disciples who issue reprimands, run disciplinary meetings Disciples begin to fear them
* Stories told of the guru now have fear components. There is now dark talk of critics and former disciples having bad outcomes - sickness, car crashes, family misfortunes, insanity, etc
* Disciples disappear and no one says why or they are blamed for disloyalty
* Increasingly surrounded by and screened by entourage and limo drivers. In
extreme cases, accompanied by bodyguards
* Increasingly surrounded by people who look and act the same, often young and
attractive females looking increasingly goo eyed
* The guru plays favorites, with an inner select circle of favored disciples,
secret elite gatherings, other less favored disciples excluded.
* Does less and less for self, water and food and accessories always brought by
acolytes. One teacher who was a heavy smoker took his walks, an ashtray
carried alongside him by an acolyte.
* When gets sick claims bad thoughts or lack of faith from disciples caused it
* Taste in decor emphasizes throne like padded chairs on raised platforms, often has a vase of flowers alongside. Flowers in vase may be used as a prop for talks.
* If guru started out in western clothes, may increasingly select Indian or South Asian or Himalayan clothes and furnishings
* Demands more from disciples, simple path no longer simple
* Harder for disciples to have access to guru
* Pictures of guru become more prevalent
* Increasingly fussy about food
* May change spouses, signs of roving eyes, more and more one sees
young attractive people selected for front row seating and for entourage duty
* Temper flares and worsens - character deteriorates due to flattery,
social isolation, lack of opportunities to exercise patience
* Ingratitude for wealth and fame given by trustful disciples
* Loneliness not assuaged by fame and followers, must be hidden behind guru mask
Late Stages of Guru Disease
* Sexual acting out
* Bloated face and body, large stomach, dark circles under eyes
* Some gurus, especially female may starve selves to stay thin
* Plastic surgeries concealed by guru going on lengthy "retreats"
* Photographs of guru are usually from the younger years
* Ashram is built, guru becomes less able to function outside of controlled setting
* A dying guru may demand an especially grandious fancy ashram, provoking
discord with neighbors. This in turn may increase guru and group paranoia.
* Travels less frequently, increasingly gives retreats or satsangs over Skype
* Rageful yet pathetically dependent upon a few trusted disciples, often rageful at same disciples
* Disciples may be assaulted verbally or physically behind closed doors by guru or by guru's favorites or both.
* Disciples who donated years of their time and much labor are often
ignored or ejected
* The best and kindest disciples are leaving
* Paranoia as increasing number of former disciples instigate discussions online
* Takes lots of naps behind closed door of bedroom
* Wet eyed or dull eyed expression
* May binge watch TV or Netflix and claim to be engaging in some sort of
enlightened activity
* Drug use or alcohol use disguised as samadhi
If taken into police custody must often be taken first to hospital for medical evaluation;
often found to have Type 2 diabetes or cardiovascular disease or both
* Plead illness to avoid being jailed or get better treatment in jail
* May end life as recluse
* Diabetic gurus risk developing performance troubles;
Type 2 diabetes leading cause of this malady
[www.google.com]
Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 11/30/2018 10:48PM by corboy.
Predispositions
* Inability to enjoy peer to peer adult relationships
* Overriding need to control people and people's perceptions of self
* Ambition
* Inability to distinguish between clean money and dirty money
* Family members who profit
* Creation of glamorous backstory, stories may change, books, literature
and websites documenting earlier backstories may be suppressed
For an example, read how Byron Katie suppressed earlier books such as Cry In the Desert and Losing the Moon. Her current disciples are told only her Cockroach Story.
[forum.culteducation.com]
Post by Wanderer77 who claims to have been friends with Eckhart Tolle
[forum.culteducation.com]
* Presents as confident and charming; hides a long history of
studying various methods of social manipulation
* Early career often spent in retail, marketing, sales, teaching, in some
cases as a monk or junior clergy
* May study methods of trance induction, takes care to conceal this
* May study with exploitative gurus, if guru has bad reputation often hides this hides this from followers
* During pre-guru career phase, often involves self with other gurus, other
self help organizations, learning people management skills, logistics of
booking cheap rooms, advertising free meditation sessions, creating travel packages to retreat settings, etc
(Guru may have prior background in Scientology, est, Landmark Education or other Large Group Awareness Training, if studied with abusive gurus will take care to hide this (Adi Da, Rajneesh/Osho, Andrew Cohen, Frederick Lenz/Zen Master Rama)
* May rationalize abuse as necessary for spiritual growth - crazy wisdom.
* May claim bogus ties to Himalayan Buddhisms or Advaita sages who left no lineage but are dead and in no position to complain.
(Ramana Maharshi left no lineage and this has not kept a multitude from claiming to be in his lineage.)
Charismatic and Accessible During Early Career
* Often handsome and slim, when older will often become pudgy if not obese
* Gift of gab
* Sets up in areas associated with famous gurus (Tiruvannamalai, India.
* Rents space for events at reputable Zen Centers, other Buddhist centers, public libraries
* May set up as close to Harvard College as possible to make it seem guru is Harvard affiliated; may do this with other universities as well
* Offers free meditation classes
* Posts fliers on bulletin boards and windows of laundromats, Indian restaurants, health food stores, yoga studios, buddhist centers (Most Western Buddhists dread practicing wrong speech and hesitate to imagine that a charlatan guru is using their reputable practice center facilities and bulletin board)
* May set up yoga centers, sponsor vegetarian or vegan restaurants, food products, cooking classes,
* Cultivates and charms academics and scientists who are not alert enough to fact check and unaware they are prime targets for gurus on the make
* May find ways to associate cult with feel good events such as Christmas
pageants, childrens schools that outside community becomes invested in.
* Creates a charity project to distract from spending bulk of funds on self and on enriching extended family
* Encourages some disciples to drop out of school or work if more useful in the gurus entourage (Guru says education inflates intellectual arrogance and is a hindrance to spiritual development)
* Insists other disciples stay in work place or finish their schooling if this makes them more valuable to the guru (Guru says work and education are that persons proper dharma, says it is householder practice)
* May talent spot and pay some promising disciples to go through school and professional training as therapists, health care professionals who then become
"owned" by the guru, like old time mafia lawyers.
* Guru and disciples say they are apolitical but acquire property, which means they will be very political, especially when dealing with neighbors
* Becomes expert or hires experts in PR, real estate, finance, website design, social media marketing, search engine optimization, hospitality and event planning.
* Generates excitement by announcing plans for ashram, solicites funds and donated labor
* Recycles material from other gurus and does not give credit
* Goes on tours, travels
* Uses same few quotes from Bhagavad Gita
* Emphasizes in early years how simple the practice is
* Denies it is a religion, claims its an alternative to and liberates from religion
* Discourages and devalues study of the tradition, to conceal own ignorance from disciples
* Uses silences, jokes, giggles when cannot answer questions
* Gets disciples to laugh at anyone who asks awkward questions
* Atmosphere around the early career guru is often free and delightful, lots of improvisation. Easy to socialize with the guru
Guruitis - Mid Career
* Often begins to wear white clothing. Always has vase of flowers on table or
by chair.
* Enforcers appear - senior disciples who issue reprimands, run disciplinary meetings Disciples begin to fear them
* Stories told of the guru now have fear components. There is now dark talk of critics and former disciples having bad outcomes - sickness, car crashes, family misfortunes, insanity, etc
* Disciples disappear and no one says why or they are blamed for disloyalty
* Increasingly surrounded by and screened by entourage and limo drivers. In
extreme cases, accompanied by bodyguards
* Increasingly surrounded by people who look and act the same, often young and
attractive females looking increasingly goo eyed
* The guru plays favorites, with an inner select circle of favored disciples,
secret elite gatherings, other less favored disciples excluded.
* Does less and less for self, water and food and accessories always brought by
acolytes. One teacher who was a heavy smoker took his walks, an ashtray
carried alongside him by an acolyte.
* When gets sick claims bad thoughts or lack of faith from disciples caused it
* Taste in decor emphasizes throne like padded chairs on raised platforms, often has a vase of flowers alongside. Flowers in vase may be used as a prop for talks.
* If guru started out in western clothes, may increasingly select Indian or South Asian or Himalayan clothes and furnishings
* Demands more from disciples, simple path no longer simple
* Harder for disciples to have access to guru
* Pictures of guru become more prevalent
* Increasingly fussy about food
* May change spouses, signs of roving eyes, more and more one sees
young attractive people selected for front row seating and for entourage duty
* Temper flares and worsens - character deteriorates due to flattery,
social isolation, lack of opportunities to exercise patience
* Ingratitude for wealth and fame given by trustful disciples
* Loneliness not assuaged by fame and followers, must be hidden behind guru mask
Late Stages of Guru Disease
* Sexual acting out
* Bloated face and body, large stomach, dark circles under eyes
* Some gurus, especially female may starve selves to stay thin
* Plastic surgeries concealed by guru going on lengthy "retreats"
* Photographs of guru are usually from the younger years
* Ashram is built, guru becomes less able to function outside of controlled setting
* A dying guru may demand an especially grandious fancy ashram, provoking
discord with neighbors. This in turn may increase guru and group paranoia.
* Travels less frequently, increasingly gives retreats or satsangs over Skype
* Rageful yet pathetically dependent upon a few trusted disciples, often rageful at same disciples
* Disciples may be assaulted verbally or physically behind closed doors by guru or by guru's favorites or both.
* Disciples who donated years of their time and much labor are often
ignored or ejected
* The best and kindest disciples are leaving
* Paranoia as increasing number of former disciples instigate discussions online
* Takes lots of naps behind closed door of bedroom
* Wet eyed or dull eyed expression
* May binge watch TV or Netflix and claim to be engaging in some sort of
enlightened activity
* Drug use or alcohol use disguised as samadhi
If taken into police custody must often be taken first to hospital for medical evaluation;
often found to have Type 2 diabetes or cardiovascular disease or both
* Plead illness to avoid being jailed or get better treatment in jail
* May end life as recluse
* Diabetic gurus risk developing performance troubles;
Type 2 diabetes leading cause of this malady
[www.google.com]
Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 11/30/2018 10:48PM by corboy.
Re: Guru Occupational Disease Cluster
Posted by:
corboy
()
Date: September 23, 2018 11:08PM
Guru Business - Its Advantages
* Tax exempt status
* Volunteer donated labor from disciples, no need for payroll or workman's compensation -- how simple!
* Customers who want to feel relief, feel better and do not want to fact check
because fact checking spoils the mood
* Audiences who don't ask questions who glare and frown at disruptive skeptics
* Getting waited on by an entourage, meals, laundry, housing, appointments all
taken care of
* Personal physician who gives you all the drugs you want and does not nag you
when you get fat from overeating
* Get to stay in swank hotels and rich disciple's houses when on tour
* Full access to all adult pleasures, such as bossing people around and them
never retaliating, sexual release whenever one wishes, partying, famous
Bollywood stars at your parties, changing array of
partners, can binge watch TV or Netflix and pig out on favorite foods show up
late for lectures or not at all and retinue and disciples
will make excuses for you
* Chose only companions who are interesting and entertaining, kick them out when
bored
* Design a palace to your own specifications, use money and local connections to
overrule objections by neighbors
* Influence national politics and have politicians courting you so you'll tell
their disciples to vote for you (India)
Drawbacks to Guru Career
* Gotta wear same outfit every day
* Deep down guru gets scared of any situation not under guru's control - and
must hide that
* Guru begins hiding from disciples, less available, hating them for being so
clingy yet Guru had made them clingy
* Life no longer feels fresh and spontaneous because Guru controls everything.
Simple pleasures no longer suffice. Guru increasingly dependent on luxury,
fussy, disciples continually berated for not giving satisfaction. Personal care
team cannot satisfy guru.
* Guru feels dead inside and has to face all these people who expect guru
to give them vitality
* Nonstop adulation and luxury get boring, guru needs more and yet more
adulation and luxury to get any sort of mood enhancement - just like a junkie
who needs to shoot more and yet more dope
* Monopolizes all disciple attention and resents any attention paid to disciples' own children. May pressure disciples to abandon children for ashram life, get abortions, not have children at all, disrupt partnered relationships
* Increased scrutiny from government or adverse media coverage leads to paranoia
* In old age, guru usually becomes isolated, cared for by just a few disciples. Succession disputes loom. Elderly guru may become a prisoner of enfeebled body and caretakers. Possible elder abuse behind closed doors.
* Age and guru occupational diabetes cause narcissistic moritifcation when
bedroom performance impaired. Guru gets more abusive of women because of
erotic insecurity, more abusive and bitterly envious of younger more vital male
disciples, may inflict increasing demands for celibacy on followers
Karmic payback is not pretty.
* Tax exempt status
* Volunteer donated labor from disciples, no need for payroll or workman's compensation -- how simple!
* Customers who want to feel relief, feel better and do not want to fact check
because fact checking spoils the mood
* Audiences who don't ask questions who glare and frown at disruptive skeptics
* Getting waited on by an entourage, meals, laundry, housing, appointments all
taken care of
* Personal physician who gives you all the drugs you want and does not nag you
when you get fat from overeating
* Get to stay in swank hotels and rich disciple's houses when on tour
* Full access to all adult pleasures, such as bossing people around and them
never retaliating, sexual release whenever one wishes, partying, famous
Bollywood stars at your parties, changing array of
partners, can binge watch TV or Netflix and pig out on favorite foods show up
late for lectures or not at all and retinue and disciples
will make excuses for you
* Chose only companions who are interesting and entertaining, kick them out when
bored
* Design a palace to your own specifications, use money and local connections to
overrule objections by neighbors
* Influence national politics and have politicians courting you so you'll tell
their disciples to vote for you (India)
Drawbacks to Guru Career
* Gotta wear same outfit every day
* Deep down guru gets scared of any situation not under guru's control - and
must hide that
* Guru begins hiding from disciples, less available, hating them for being so
clingy yet Guru had made them clingy
* Life no longer feels fresh and spontaneous because Guru controls everything.
Simple pleasures no longer suffice. Guru increasingly dependent on luxury,
fussy, disciples continually berated for not giving satisfaction. Personal care
team cannot satisfy guru.
* Guru feels dead inside and has to face all these people who expect guru
to give them vitality
* Nonstop adulation and luxury get boring, guru needs more and yet more
adulation and luxury to get any sort of mood enhancement - just like a junkie
who needs to shoot more and yet more dope
* Monopolizes all disciple attention and resents any attention paid to disciples' own children. May pressure disciples to abandon children for ashram life, get abortions, not have children at all, disrupt partnered relationships
* Increased scrutiny from government or adverse media coverage leads to paranoia
* In old age, guru usually becomes isolated, cared for by just a few disciples. Succession disputes loom. Elderly guru may become a prisoner of enfeebled body and caretakers. Possible elder abuse behind closed doors.
* Age and guru occupational diabetes cause narcissistic moritifcation when
bedroom performance impaired. Guru gets more abusive of women because of
erotic insecurity, more abusive and bitterly envious of younger more vital male
disciples, may inflict increasing demands for celibacy on followers
Karmic payback is not pretty.
Re: Guru Occupational Disease Cluster
Posted by:
corboy
()
Date: November 30, 2018 10:33PM
This article was written about exploitative bosses, but applies
remarkably well to gurus and other cult leaders.
Don't Work Eighty Hours a Week for Elon Musk - Or Anyone
[www.vice.com]
"Nobody ever changed the world on 40 hours a week".
Corboy note: Charles Darwin changed the world He reproitedly worked about four hours a day as did Charles Dickens.
[www.google.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/30/2018 10:36PM by corboy.
remarkably well to gurus and other cult leaders.
Don't Work Eighty Hours a Week for Elon Musk - Or Anyone
[www.vice.com]
"Nobody ever changed the world on 40 hours a week".
Corboy note: Charles Darwin changed the world He reproitedly worked about four hours a day as did Charles Dickens.
[www.google.com]
Quote
But in this system, he’s always going to try to pay you as little as possible, because it will allow him to keep more money. (Maybe he’ll reinvest in the company, maybe just buy a boat—if he’s a private equity type, it’s probably the latter.) When that avenue becomes blocked due to a contract, he’ll try to get more bang for his buck by continually blurring the line between “work” and “home” life. He’ll get you to stay after hours, tether you to your smartphone, or just give you tasks that were not at all what you signed up for.
The ultimate dream for any boss is getting one of their workers to believe that they’re part of something grander, that the project is worth the sacrifice, while not having to give them any stake in the company’s ownership. The utopia is for the world, but the profits are for him.
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Realistically, whatever Musk accomplishes during his life by instructing his hired help to make a variety of tech items will be less of a change to the world than what those who fought and died for the eight-hour work day
[www.vice.com]
and 40-hour work week, accomplished. You know, those folks in unions or who want to join one, the people Musk has long derided and been repeatedly accused of targeting for reprisal—a.k.a. union busting.
[www.theguardian.com]
People like these legitimately changed the material conditions of lives around the world in a way that Musk, or any boss, never will.
Most damning of all, supposedly visionary minds like Musk’s could never even dream of that sort of change.
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Now, imagine what “change” to your own personal world could mean. Might working fewer hours positively affect its quality? Would being able to allot more time in your limited existence to other activities like reading, writing, playing with your kids, exploring the world, or maybe just your own neighborhood, improve your quality of life? Probably! And yet that’s not what Musk tries to sell his potential workforce on, because that’s not even the world he’s trying to use his technological prowess to build. (Imagine going back to the year 1930 and telling someone about all the technological inventions we’ve made, and then watch their face drop when you let them know how many hours people still have to work.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/30/2018 10:36PM by corboy.
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