Cannon training and development -- Landmark Lite?
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CognatusNoctem
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Date: May 26, 2006 10:21AM
www.thegreatamericanbusinessowner.com
Does this sound like Landmark Lite to you? I just learned about the seminar schemes and Landmark. If you have been through this kind of experience I would love to hear from you!
There is a man in San Diego who seems to hail from Landmark Training. He uses much of the same stuff in his personal development training seminars now focused on small business owners; he spoke of Landmark training but he sneers at it. I got caught up in his 7 week seminar that requires you to focus totally on the group. He does the intense 3 day session where you get deprived of sleep and he does the “processes” to change you. He is now extending the seminar involvement for a year. My wife and I dropped out. There is a formal and a networking meeting like Landmark.
His biggest buzzword is “commitment.” Sound familiar to anyone? The demands are excruciating and if you don’t do them you obviously aren’t “following the program.” His letter to us when we quit the program is included here. Since he claims to have an MBA in contract negotiations we thought it best to drop out by email. He wanted a chance to negotiate the terms of our surrender.
We laid down $1595.00 for his business seminar. It started up about business but now seems focused on the formal party, the network party, the shirts with logos and doing massive homework, filling out forms and keeping commitments.
Here are the daily rules for living during the 7 week seminar:
Commitment
1.Be On purpose and Have Fun
2.Be committed to your family and ask for their support during your PGA Program.
3.Be committed to yourself, your Success Partner, your Team and your PGA Program. Success Partner and Team Support
4.Support your Success Partner and everyone on your team and on your committee(s).
5.Attend all PGA functions and be on time
6.Complete and wear your t-shirt to the Midpoint Meeting and the friendship Party.
7.Each Day Listen to your Asking Tapes.
8.Each Day Be Abundant - put $1.00 in your Success Partners Bank.
9.Each Day Call your Success Partner each day.
10.Each Week Attend your weekly success meeting.
11. Two Week: Support Two Preview Evening and Bring your friends and family
Learning
12.Be Coachable - Be open to feedback from your Coach.
13.Do Personal Clearings as soon as possible and only to build better relationships.
14.At All Times: Know where your PGA notebook is and be within 5 minutes of it.
15.Each Day:Review your Purpose, Goals and Results.
16.Each Day Speak the truth, come from Integrity and have dignity in everything you do
17.Each Day:Overcame Limitations, Control Dramas Ways to Avoid, Mechanisms, etc.
18.Each Day:Ask Powerful Questions and Practice the 5 Points Personal Power
19.Each Day Work to improve ali areas in all 12 domains
20.Each Day:Read for 15 minutes from the reading assignments.
21.Each Day Write in your Daily Log your biggest lesson of the day.
Achieving Your Goals
22.Each Day Take Massive Action do more then you did the day belort
23.Each Day Look at your Image Pages and get committed to your vision and goals.
24.Each Day Schedule everything into your calendar of events.
25.Each Day:Complete at least 2 Action Steps and your Team Activities.
Improving Your Support System and Mastering Your Personal Development
20.Each Day Ask two or more people for support.
27.Each Week: committed to adding one or more people to your support circle.
Restrictions
26.No alcohol 3 hours before any PGA function
29.No illegal drug use during the PGA program
30.No dating anyone from any of the Seminars for 30 days after the PCA formal.
31.No disclosure of anyone else’s experiences. Talk only about lessons you learned.
32.No disclosure of any of the Weekend, Eagle or PGA Seminar Processes.
I have read and understood the PGA Ground rules and I agree to follow them.
******************
Don't get me wrong. I thought that it was something wrong in me. I could not take the pressure. I was pushing so hard that my wife was worried I might have a heart attack. I finally just caved in.
He asked at the last meeting we attended, for new ideas. I thought it would be a good idea to pass along the ideas I had in mind since he seemed to be pushing something other than business. He read parts of that letter to the group without my permission. For that reason I feel it is fair to include his comments here.
HIS LETTER
Hi Don and Amber,
Thank you for your email.
Many of the points you made are valid and I would love to have you discuss them with me and the group.
This is why I do not like email.
People make up their minds, take a position then fire a broadside and then shut the door.
This is not what I have been teaching you during the seminar.
You can not have been applying the lessons I have been teaching and leave the group in this manner.
The proper way to do this is to honor your agreement by attending the meeting tomorrow.
We can all fully discuss these issues – many of them are excellent and I will take them to heart.
But if I were to have followed them from the start you and Amber would not have been in the group in the first place.
I had to bend a lot of rules for you too.
The mid point meeting is where the real learning occurs.
That is what the mid-point meeting is all about.
The Fear
The unmet expectations
The broken agreements
This is the point where people say it is about everything else except what is really going on with them.
Trust me and do tomorrows meeting – then you will understand!
Make the same hard decision you made when you decided to do the program and do the mid-point tomorrow.
You will never regret the few hours you will spend tomorrow.
If you want to change your agreement then I will fully support you in doing so.
I will not put any pressure on you to continue – but tomorrow’s lesson is the key.
And I believe it will be the key to you really getting your goals.
I see such promise in both you and Amber and I know the struggle – I KNOW.
It is not about herding cats – and rules!
Trust me – 20 years and 70 mid-point meeting – I know the gift tomorrow will be for your goals and your relationship.
Love, Fran
**** End of Letter ****
Your comments would be greatly appreciated!
Don
Does this sound like Landmark Lite to you? I just learned about the seminar schemes and Landmark. If you have been through this kind of experience I would love to hear from you!
There is a man in San Diego who seems to hail from Landmark Training. He uses much of the same stuff in his personal development training seminars now focused on small business owners; he spoke of Landmark training but he sneers at it. I got caught up in his 7 week seminar that requires you to focus totally on the group. He does the intense 3 day session where you get deprived of sleep and he does the “processes” to change you. He is now extending the seminar involvement for a year. My wife and I dropped out. There is a formal and a networking meeting like Landmark.
His biggest buzzword is “commitment.” Sound familiar to anyone? The demands are excruciating and if you don’t do them you obviously aren’t “following the program.” His letter to us when we quit the program is included here. Since he claims to have an MBA in contract negotiations we thought it best to drop out by email. He wanted a chance to negotiate the terms of our surrender.
We laid down $1595.00 for his business seminar. It started up about business but now seems focused on the formal party, the network party, the shirts with logos and doing massive homework, filling out forms and keeping commitments.
Here are the daily rules for living during the 7 week seminar:
Commitment
1.Be On purpose and Have Fun
2.Be committed to your family and ask for their support during your PGA Program.
3.Be committed to yourself, your Success Partner, your Team and your PGA Program. Success Partner and Team Support
4.Support your Success Partner and everyone on your team and on your committee(s).
5.Attend all PGA functions and be on time
6.Complete and wear your t-shirt to the Midpoint Meeting and the friendship Party.
7.Each Day Listen to your Asking Tapes.
8.Each Day Be Abundant - put $1.00 in your Success Partners Bank.
9.Each Day Call your Success Partner each day.
10.Each Week Attend your weekly success meeting.
11. Two Week: Support Two Preview Evening and Bring your friends and family
Learning
12.Be Coachable - Be open to feedback from your Coach.
13.Do Personal Clearings as soon as possible and only to build better relationships.
14.At All Times: Know where your PGA notebook is and be within 5 minutes of it.
15.Each Day:Review your Purpose, Goals and Results.
16.Each Day Speak the truth, come from Integrity and have dignity in everything you do
17.Each Day:Overcame Limitations, Control Dramas Ways to Avoid, Mechanisms, etc.
18.Each Day:Ask Powerful Questions and Practice the 5 Points Personal Power
19.Each Day Work to improve ali areas in all 12 domains
20.Each Day:Read for 15 minutes from the reading assignments.
21.Each Day Write in your Daily Log your biggest lesson of the day.
Achieving Your Goals
22.Each Day Take Massive Action do more then you did the day belort
23.Each Day Look at your Image Pages and get committed to your vision and goals.
24.Each Day Schedule everything into your calendar of events.
25.Each Day:Complete at least 2 Action Steps and your Team Activities.
Improving Your Support System and Mastering Your Personal Development
20.Each Day Ask two or more people for support.
27.Each Week: committed to adding one or more people to your support circle.
Restrictions
26.No alcohol 3 hours before any PGA function
29.No illegal drug use during the PGA program
30.No dating anyone from any of the Seminars for 30 days after the PCA formal.
31.No disclosure of anyone else’s experiences. Talk only about lessons you learned.
32.No disclosure of any of the Weekend, Eagle or PGA Seminar Processes.
I have read and understood the PGA Ground rules and I agree to follow them.
******************
Don't get me wrong. I thought that it was something wrong in me. I could not take the pressure. I was pushing so hard that my wife was worried I might have a heart attack. I finally just caved in.
He asked at the last meeting we attended, for new ideas. I thought it would be a good idea to pass along the ideas I had in mind since he seemed to be pushing something other than business. He read parts of that letter to the group without my permission. For that reason I feel it is fair to include his comments here.
HIS LETTER
Hi Don and Amber,
Thank you for your email.
Many of the points you made are valid and I would love to have you discuss them with me and the group.
This is why I do not like email.
People make up their minds, take a position then fire a broadside and then shut the door.
This is not what I have been teaching you during the seminar.
You can not have been applying the lessons I have been teaching and leave the group in this manner.
The proper way to do this is to honor your agreement by attending the meeting tomorrow.
We can all fully discuss these issues – many of them are excellent and I will take them to heart.
But if I were to have followed them from the start you and Amber would not have been in the group in the first place.
I had to bend a lot of rules for you too.
The mid point meeting is where the real learning occurs.
That is what the mid-point meeting is all about.
The Fear
The unmet expectations
The broken agreements
This is the point where people say it is about everything else except what is really going on with them.
Trust me and do tomorrows meeting – then you will understand!
Make the same hard decision you made when you decided to do the program and do the mid-point tomorrow.
You will never regret the few hours you will spend tomorrow.
If you want to change your agreement then I will fully support you in doing so.
I will not put any pressure on you to continue – but tomorrow’s lesson is the key.
And I believe it will be the key to you really getting your goals.
I see such promise in both you and Amber and I know the struggle – I KNOW.
It is not about herding cats – and rules!
Trust me – 20 years and 70 mid-point meeting – I know the gift tomorrow will be for your goals and your relationship.
Love, Fran
**** End of Letter ****
Your comments would be greatly appreciated!
Don
Cannon training and development -- Landmark Lite?
Posted by:
mjr40
()
Date: June 03, 2006 12:45AM
Sounds very similar to cults in many respects - total control, obedience, group confession, and strict rules. Also when the person from the group states "trust me", that is a good indication that something is wrong.
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