"He was the focal point at all times, and what seemed so amazing is that he somehow... I would feel totally out of control, and yet I would watch him and he would seem totally IN control..."
"The idea was to get rid of all the conditioning, to die in yourself, so he would hold you up and say something to you say "see I can see your mother on you - it's still the conditioning, you know, you haven't gotten rid of it, you're not dead yet"
"(he'd say) I would die for you, and then the questions would begin: "would you die for me?"
Voiceover: "And what was the philosophy that ______ was offering? It had begun with the notion of oneness and the power of love, but over time, it grew steadily more paranoid, the message to the family grew steadily darker, there was no right or wrong, and life and death were really the same thing, in fact death could be a welcome step on the way to a better world..."
Who does this sound like. I'll give you a hint, the first two quotes come from a woman named Patricia Krenwinkel, the third quote comes from Leslie Van Houten. The voiceover is from Charles Manson - the Manson Family documentary
Voiceover: "During the trial, as in their lives before, the 3 women took all their instructions from Manson"
Krenwinkel: "With Manson he believed everything we did was creating some picture that was going to go out into the universe and bend it towards his will"
Voiceover: "The daily march of Van Houten, Atkins and Krenwinkel, smiling and singing was unnerving to anyone who saw it on the news, the song they were singing was one that Manson had written."
Voiceover: "On January 25th of 1971, after 9 days of deliberation, the jury found each defendent guilty of conspiracy to commit murder and murder in the first degree, in a separate trial Tex Watson was also found guilty and sentenced to death. In the penalty phase of the trial, the women did testify and tried to exhonerate Manson. And now the instructions from Manson were changing..."
Krenwinkel: One of things that Charlie always promoted about himself was "I don't lie" and all of a sudden he was asking every one of us to lie on a daily basis... and it was like "you lie??? A god lies???"
Prosecutor: " Before that clerk reads that verdict you don't know what he's going to say, "life" or "death", it's a very tense, suspenseful moment, and I look over at Manson, and his hands were trembling, now here's someone who always spoke of the beauty of death, was always telling everyone, death is a beautiful thing, and maybe when we kill these people, we're doing them a favour and they don't even realise it, but I was with him for 9 and a half months and HE fought very hard for his own life, see, so that was just pure hypocrisy on his part."
Voiceover: Now Charles Manson is moving into his 70s, and Tex Watson and the women are in their 50s. To listen to Manson, Pat Krenwinkel, and Leslie Van Houten toay is to hear very different memories of those events well over a quarter century ago.
Van Houten: If anything, the older I get the harder it is, Mrs LaBianca was younger than I am now, I, took away all that life.
Manson: I see blood in here every day, every day someone's gettin shot, someone's gettin cut, someone's gettin beat, I've lived in that all my life... you can pile a hundred dead bodies in front of my cell and that don't set me to do nothin."
Krenwinkel: Every day I wake up and know that I'm a destroyer of the most precious thing: which is life, and living with that is the most difficult thing of all. And I do that because that is what I deserve, is to wake up every morning and know that.Van Houten: You know it didn't happen ovenight, he spent a lot of time taking middle class girls and remolding them.
Manson: I never broke nobody's will, I never told anybody to do anything other than what they wanted to do.
Krenwinkel: Oh Charlie's just absolutely lying, there wasn’t one thing done, that was even allowed to be done without his express permission.
Manson: Wait a minute, I said you do what’s best for you, you do what you feel is right, you do what you think is right, whatever you think is right has got to be right, all I’m doing is walking with you, I’m walkin in line with you and holding in line with you, what you do is up to you, it’s got nothing to do with me.Van Houten: You know I take offence to the fact that 25 years later Manson doesn’t own up to his share in this, I take offence to that. I take responsibility for my part. And part of my responsibility was helping to create him.
I hope readers make it this far, I know it is a long post. But I hope the readers can also see the glaring parrallels between the above excerpt on Charles Manson and his followers and the excerpts you have read on here regarding Serge and his followers. The thought processes, patterns, and coercion are all very similar.
There are two final things:1. The women invloved in the Manson cult and Murders, they were young girls at the time, they feel they were coerced and used, looking back they see the error of their ways. Charles Manson does not.
2. Their victims, the people they preyed upon don't get that chance, they are dead. One of them was a pregnant woman. They didn't join a cult, they didn't choose to take those risks, but they paid the price for the choices these other people made.
Children of Serge, when will you wake up, when will you realise you are being coerced, however willfully, how well do you know Serge and what his plan for you is, when will you wake up? Hopefully not after it is too late.
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