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Re: Hatred seems to be a natural reaction
Posted by: shakti ()
Date: June 18, 2010 12:00AM

"But Jews in America use this to attack blond kids all the time and that is wrong. They invent games like "hate blue-eyes" in the schools to "teach about racism" and this is directly responsible for the growth of white racism in those fringe groups that are becoming more popular as blond white kids become more desparate"

-Uh, Rick, why is DSM still on this board? He just makes stuff up, throws it against the wall, and hopes it sticks.

DSM= total loon.

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Re: Hatred seems to be a natural reaction
Posted by: dsm ()
Date: June 18, 2010 12:43AM

Anyone can look into the program Alan and Roselle Chartock introduced into the schools in Massachusetts in the 1980's.

It was a professional "workshop" style program paid for by federal grants that started out as a claim to teach about the Holocaust but that led the children through the blue-eyed experimental role playing.

Here are some links:
[www.google.com]

Mob attacks in the 1980's in the town of Great Barrington were directed at blond, conservative appearing people whether or not we were active in any form of politics or social action. Chartock succeeded in creating aggressive hate of a stereotype. The attacks which took place at a local college there have been described by a Clark University professor in her book, "Who Stole Feminism?" but feminism was really a side issue, one part of the overall picture of a new hate industry that has emerged out of the cults.

It is in full flower today, 30 years later.



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Re: Hatred seems to be a natural reaction
Posted by: shakti ()
Date: June 18, 2010 01:35AM

Your links give me nothing. Nothing. Please link to a specific story describing these alleged "mob attacks by Jews against people who had blond hair and blue eyes."

Just one story, please, otherwise, I'm asssuming you just made this up.

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Re: Hatred seems to be a natural reaction
Posted by: dsm ()
Date: June 18, 2010 03:30AM

shakti, you are twisting my words. I did not say Jews attacked people. I did say Roselle Chartock ran the program teaching active stereotyping of blue-eyed blonds with Hitler's Nazis in the schools in that town. I did say there were assults on people who fit the profile Roselle Chartock targetted, which were all blue-eyed blond or light-haired people.

The assaults are well-documented. There were many newspaper articles at the time and there is a well-respected book about the entire mob-assault movement that emerged from these programs in the 1980's.

Here is a link to a page in that book that also describes the same kind of hate-march taking place in Pennsylvania, organized by the same cult that organized the classes in Massachusetts.

[books.google.com]

If you do not want to read the links, shakti, I cannot force you to do so. Obviously, if you don't read them, you are not that concerned, yet you are emotionally aroused at me, personally, for posting this material.

In general, if some material upsets us so much that we cannot examine it but we feel compelled to attack the person who presented the upsetting material, that is a sign that we have been subjected to some kind of manipulation at some point in our lives. This is especially true if you deny the obvious facts in the material provided. Denying the facts is not the same as disputing them. Denial is a symptom of having been damaged by cult manipulation because it does not allow you to see material that is feared by the manipulators, whereas to dispute something you need to look at it and then rely on your own judgement and have confidence in your own judgement.

The original topic of this thread is the question of where "natural" hate drops out and something else kicks in, the question of limits of "natural" hate.

I addressed that: it is natural for Jews to hate the Germans of Hitler's time for what they did to their people, but it is not natural to expand that hatred to all blond-blue-eyed Americans, especially since many who fit this physical stereotype are not of German origin and not only did not particpate in Nazi genocide, but they fought hard against it, and they fought hard to protect and save as many Jews as they could. Blond-blue-eyed people in America in the 1980's who were not even born until 1970 most certainly should not be the targets of natural hatred for Hitler and his Nazis.

The people who attacked the designated targets on campusses were all products of these manipulation programs. I don't think anyone ever analyzed their ethnic origin, except that they were middle class kids who had been subjected to cult manipulation by that feminist cult, "Take Back The Night", and by professors including Roselle Chartock among others.

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Re: Hatred seems to be a natural reaction
Posted by: shakti ()
Date: June 18, 2010 11:54PM

"In general, if some material upsets us so much that we cannot examine it but we feel compelled to attack the person who presented the upsetting material, that is a sign that we have been subjected to some kind of manipulation at some point in our lives. This is especially true if you deny the obvious facts in the material provided."

-But the point is you DON"T PROVIDE THE MATERIAL. You sent a list of google links which went nowhere and did not discuss the issue at hand. FINALLY, you posted a book by a right-wing Libertarian that while documenting certain excesses of the Radical Left, DOES NOT discuss the "attack blondes" movement that you describe. I'm not saying these incidents didn't happen, but that you have not done what is necessary in a debate to prove that they did. Please cite a page from that book where these mob attacks are discussed, and I would be happy to read it.

On a less argumentative note, I agree with you that NATLfed is evil, as that appears to be your target. Do you have actual evidence that Take Back the Night is a NATLFed front? I would find that fascinating if true.

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