Its a good list of some of the Tech basic NLP salespeople will try to use on you...Rapport, Matching Mirroring, Eye Cues, Anchoring and the rest of the list. And its not so much that all of that stuff actually works as advertised, its that by seeing someone is trying those techniques on you, it shows they are trying to manipulate you. And of course, most of that stuff is decades old, so the a
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Very good advice to immediately and permanently stop any communication with anyone who practices overt NLP-Hypnosis for profit. Especially anyone associated with the Tony Robbins companies, as they are constantly messing with your mind using very advanced techniques of persuasion. Of course these days people are doing it COVERTLY so its difficult to know who is doing what, which is their poin
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The comments on The Guardian site are interesting. There are some Robbins "volunteers" posting, who volunteered at Robbins seminars for 9 YEARS. They worked for free to make Tony more millions of dollars for almost a decade of their life. Its all just a big game for guys like Robbins. Getting people to work for you for free, is a game to him. People are just objects to use. The
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They are already blaming the victims. The original article quotes a Robbinite follower, that you won't get burned if you are in a "peak state", which of course is a lie. A brazen lie. You don't get burned if there is lots of ash covering the coals acting as an insulator, and you pass over quickly. But Robbins screwed up, got sloppy, and these people BLINDLY walked over re
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They need to find a team of lawyers who work on contingency. The problem there, is all the lawyers care about is getting paid, making a settlement, and agreeing to non-disclosure. This is why the sharks like Tony Robbins and so many others, can do anything they want. And they know it. A shark knows the fishes are at his mercy. The only time a shark like Tony Robbins can get brought down, w
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Many many people have been burned at these events, but its been covered up. But now a possible class action lawsuit from the injured parties as a group will expose the reality of what is really going on. People are simply conned by the supreme Confidence Man Tony Robbins, and walking over coals is just a test to see how gullible these people are. Tony Robbins tries to tell them its mind over
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Hypnosis and trance-work with a trained licensed competent professional is fine, it can be something good to try. But the unlicensed sharks, its a nightmare. Its the same as getting a medical operation from a licensed professional, or a backstreet butcher-job. You can die from the butcher-job, where the medical professional could save your life. Hypnosis is simply inward-focused-attention
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That stuff can be very powerful. Not as powerful as they say in their marketing, but still very effective. The basic NLP books do not go into the "real" techniques, are really just dumbed down 'self-help' ideas that are being marketed. The real NLP tech is about group persuasion and using conversational hypnosis, and all of the other techniques discussed. What some of th
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Tony Robbins unpaid "Crew" = pay to work for a for-profit company A new thread was just started in the LGAT section about Robbins looking for unpaid workers. These "Crew" "jobs" are unpaid. You notice the legalese language buried in the text. "you are NOT sales people" is protection against Robbins Inc violating labor laws. They just use paying c
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If you look at the images of James Ray on his own facebook page... His main image was chose by Ray to give an image of Satan, as a visual cue about Magick "dark powers" You see the red background, it looks smokey, etc. People have mentioned he looks Satanic in that photo, and that is a deliberate strategy. Of course James Ray picked that, as he was trying to make people belie
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Sadly what is happening here, happens every week. Vulnerable people get whipped into a manic-trance state, and spend tens of thousands on Tony Robbins seminars. Some get cleaned out of hundreds of thousands of dollars for other schemes they have running. If a person has a past with mania, they can easily be flipped into mania. And everyone knows where that ends, with a total breakdown. D
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Its the typical stance of trying to minimize the damage created by these con-women cultish leaders. In fact, the focus needs to be on exactly WHO they are damaging. Who is getting scammed? Who are the people who are getting conned into selling their houses and businesses, and handing over all their money to Ching Hai Inc? And these celebrities should be ashamed of themselves. When they ge
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Its not known if this is actually the person stated, or someone else. But for the person stated, they are another self-proclaimed "NLP expert" in persuasion. Its another in a long line of Tony Robbins clones. The front page of their website is literally a paste/copy of the Tony Robbins material, using Questions with presuppositions to pace and lead those who are reading it. So in
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yep, low-protein diet and sleep-deprivation, very standard stuff. "playing all out" is stolen from Tony Robbins, that means following orders/suggestions, and "maxing all out" your lines of credit, buying the Gurus worthless junk, stolen from other Gurus. James Ray was recklessly doing all the basic and some advanced techniques, on people who don't know about these t
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(cross-post for reference) ------------ James Arthur Ray was also an incompetent, talentless hack, but he made a lot of money, and now 4 people are DEAD, there is a criminal trial, and many others injured in many ways. James Arthur Ray. James Ray, the greasy salesman pitchman guy from The Secret James Ray was identified and EXPLAINED in these threads in MINUTES after he appeared on Oprah,
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Why do you think Bernard Poolman & Co picked "world hunger" as an issue to use? Because no sane person is against children eating food! Its simply another PR stunt, like head-shaving, like the Hitler nonsense, sex, and the rest of it. The Raelians use similar techniques. The people posting here about Desteni are very very experienced people in the world of identifying these k
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The James Ray 45 minute deathlodge audio is something important to listen to. Its a cross between James Ray copying Tony Robbins language patterns and audience interaction, mixed in with various persuaders and New Age nonsense, all the way up to including some of the techniques used by Jim Jones. What these extremely disturbed psychopaths want is absolute control of other people, even to the p
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yes, these threads and others here explain the various techniques used by Ray, including the NLP tech. This thread also includes who specifically taught James Ray his NLP tech, and where and when. Matthew B. James is still bragging he trained James Ray, they clearly literally don't care that people are dead. QUOTE "I have trained some of those people that you may be familiar with,
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The Meta-Faith Facebook group has 33 members. One of them would know the name of the actor playing Micheal Ultra. The real Michael Ultra us likely on Evan Georgiades list of 300 Facebook friends, the face might be recognizable, and that would lead to the real name of the actor. Meta-Faith Community Temple Organizations 33 members Admin: Evan Georgiades (Toronto, ON) (creator
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lack of time, but these are complex and important areas. Pain/pleasure, at root comes from Behaviorism, and of course is used in advertising. But its taken to an extreme psychological level in the LGAT seminars, by their persuasion experts. They find your pain, your WOUND. Then they stick a knife in it, and magnify your pain, and twist the metaphorical knife. Then they try to make you
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Thanks for the book update. One has to wonder to what extent former followers of James Ray understand what really happened to them. He preyed on people who did not have experience in this area. For example, the list of stuff from above, like breaking boards and walking on coals, that stuff is literally 25 years old. The first NLPer LGAT scam artists were doing that decades ago. Its truly scary
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Good link. There is some interesting research in that area. But here is the amazing thing. The Gurus have known this by experience, for many years. For example, Byron Katie knows very well that when she is saying or doing _______, that the people in the audience are EXPERIENCING it just by watching. Even if it is talking about another person. That is called Pacing and Leading, from NLP. Ja
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Note to CosmicConnie... ...if you read this! Concerning some comments on Shamblog, about this thread. (for the record, it appears the Sham situation in this forum was mainly a miscommunication. I thought SHAM was a good book, and we need more books like that, with even more specific detail on exactly HOW they get away with it). But its amazing how distorted viewpoints can get, and this is
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There is another James Arthur Ray in the making, named Kurek Ashley. Another Tony Robbins clone. And Kurek Ashley claims he can teach people to elevate their "frequency", and not get burned by fire on human skin? Like James Ray in his deathlodge? Where people die, and have permanent organ damage for life? People get their feet terribly burned in firewalks all the time, like at prev
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This also again proves how James Ray and others like him operate. Its by applying specific technique. James Ray does not believe his own BS Belief Systems. Belief systems are shaped and created by the Influencer. James Ray is not "crazy", he is applying techniques extremely recklessly. There are all sort of specific seminars that teach the actual techniques of mastering persuasi
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Check this out, someone posted a link to this photo of James Ray with other Gurus. harmonicwealthweekend.com/remix/social-proof.jpg Notice the photo is called SOCIAL PROOF. What is Social Proof, its one of the Six "Weapons of Influence" that Tony Robbins learned from Robert Cialdini, and James Ray has copied that technique. That is what that photo is, social proof, and they eve
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Of course, in a non-cultic environment, difference of opinion is healthy! But there have been many terrible mistakes made about James Ray. The worst are in the media, and in those who wanted to ban sweat lodges, and the like. James Ray has nothing to do with sweat lodges, it was just an instrument for him. He could have used an igloo, or desert island, or hotel ballroom. What was James
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They used the fancy word "kinesiology" just for this reason, to bamboozle people, and themselves. Have met people who "believe" Applied unKinesiology, funny coicidence, they also $ELL it make a lot of money, funny how that works. Grant Cordone says James Ray did that AK stuff. "Prior to this he was teaching pseudo science neuro-linguistic programming and using the c
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Matthew B. James (and his people who taught James Ray NLP, as shown below) were also into the abusive Siddha-Yoga cult and Muktananda. Muktananda also had his fingers into the NLP group persuasion tech, fusing the modern persuasion techniques and "spiritual" practices. This was explored in the Byron Katie thread, and this would be where the SYDA "install the guru in your body medi
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