One can find ways to discuss the internal affairs of a troubled organization, even if one is an outsider. But discussions of enlightenment are, in that context a distraction. One can discuss enlightenment forever and never reach a conclusion, and this will serve to distract from any searching examination of the troubled organization. For continuing education, here is an article is by a
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If I ever wanted to slip in and research one of these gigs, I'd slip in some of my own food, even if it was just a pack of M&M's stashed in my skivvies. And I'd go to the bathroom and palm an M&M just to remind myself a portion of my life was still under my control. And if they tried to take that away from me, I'd start a shit fit in public.
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I can tell you that if my routine is disrupted in the slightest, I cant crap. My stepmom had a male coworker who could not travel away from home for more than a week because he was unable to take a dump outside of his own bathroom at home. The old Drill Instructor saying was, 'Your soul belongs to God, but your ass belongs to me.' Will tell you, that's not really true.
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And also too, if you're staying at a pre-designated hotel as part of the deal, you're in a controlled environment where you can be observed and monitored even outside of the indoctrination chamber. This is radical. For according to our other correspondants, when doing Landmark Education, people at least could go to their own homes at night. They often ran short on sleep, due to t
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Another thought: What Garden mentioned...giving roses to each arriving participant a "After signing in (and getting our 'goodie-bags', argh..hate that word) and settlling in our rooms, the school begins with a rose cerimony. All participants recieves a red rose with a note on saying "Welcome to The School of Wonderful, Wonderful You. -kt" (initial love-bomb?) We we
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Based on what I read on the Craigslist.org parenting forum and stray copies of Working Mother* magazine that turn up in my dentists' office, 'goodie bags' are what are given out to young children when they arrive at kid's parties. IMO, it all sounds very infantalizing--tying in with Anticults remarks about 'come into my parlour'--the children's rhyme. Is
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Earlier on this thread Dave showed up suggesting that a Dharma Debate be conducted to evaluate DW. February 06, 2009 01:43AM QuoteQuote: Hi Anti and Corboy Thanks for your post. I thought , what is needed is a Dharma Debate contention in the internet . Instead of complaining about a person/teacher, we can take the content of both teachings taught in Diamondway and Kagdyu sc
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It is Mr Ross's job as moderator, to instruct all us, (including myself) to stay on topic. I still think even legitimate Vajrayana inculcates blind spots that protect the teacher and teacher role from insightful scrutiny. This protects abusive teachers like Ole from accountability they owe as powerholders and automatically deflects onus for trouble onto the students. Even if a Vajr
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Having an idol is incompatible with Buddhist practice, because idols are exempt from insight and scrutiny. In relation to an idol about whom nothing negative must ever be said, and whose bad behavior must never be subjected to seaching scrutiny, Dharma practice comes to a halt. If any area is made exempt from penetrating insight ones entire Dharma practice becomes compromised. Nothing can
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Its like the Magritte painting 'This is Not a Pipe'--it has a picture of a pipe, with the words, in French, 'This is Not a Pipe.' You say your work isnt for medical problems and yet you rent a room at a hospital???
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Problem is, its easy to rent a room at a reputable setting and get this kind of implicit credibility. In an economic crunch, where money is tight, cash strapped schools, churches, hospitals, even reputable retreat centers are going to be very tempted to rent facilities to anyone who has liquid cash on hand. Its tempting to take the dough and not run a Google search. Anyone attending an
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Dear Garden and all: We have had some disruptive visitors to this thread. And, any time someone provides now information, the likelihood of a new set of disruptive visitors increases. Garden, you identified yourself as a former BK participant. You may risk being targeted by persons who know what kinds of triggers were installed during the training. So please be careful. A very good strat
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Based on the performance pattern of the disruptive people who have appeared on the Ole thread, I offer this guess: Going by the performance of these visitors, my guess is that the Buddhist training they recieved from whoever their DW teacher/s were is deficient. My take is that their DW training had the effect of making an important cluster of topics exempt from and even off limits from the
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suenam wrote: "but i do think it is important to be accurate. in writing on this forum, i'm finding it quite difficult to put my finger on exactly what is wrong with DWB. " The role of the teacher and lineage is so exalted by both etiquette and possibly by internalization of idealized images of the teacher if prescribed by meditation, that that would ensure that practitioners
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It is also easy to 'punk' Craiglist.org All one has to do is advertise or post free ads on Community Discussion for discussion groups or meditation classes relating to some guru or spiritual entrepreneur/euse. Anyone who posts warnings or describes bad experiences with this same group will get their contribution flagged down, because personality cults can so easily organize a rapi
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Dave, have you done guru yoga in DW?
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(All of what follows in this entry is based on an unproven hypothesis that some kind of guru yoga is being done in DW with Ole N as the focus) -------------------------------------------------- Dave, from what you state, it sounds like youve encountered some bad treatment yourself: QuoteI can imaging that some DW people to intimidate members and engage into harassments against a rebel.
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Suenam mentioned: QuoteQuote: I'm sure Ole knows that he's no saint and that he's just messing with our heads but the situation here reminds me of the scene with Brian, the messiah, when he says, "You've got to think for yourselves, you're all individuals" and they slavishly look up at him with glazed eyes and reply, "yes, were all individuals"
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The bench mark standard for RR.com is the First Amendment and terms of use for RR.com. We are far more than a place for people to 'endlessly complain.' This thread has required exceptional amount of protection from the moderator, Mr Ross, because it has become something of a destination for DW fans(note discussion on February 1st) Mr Ross has had to post about 20 plus messa
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An additional reason why Dharma Debate would be best on another venue than RR.com is that it requires time and much study to attain the qualifications needed for Dharma Debate. Theres the risk that Dharma Debate serves to Re-Affirm Rank and Perserve Power Hierarchy, rather reforming it. If this is so, Dharma Debate will preserve DW in its present form, and re-affirm the primacy of the teacher
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RR.com is not a Buddhist venue. So to do a Dharma Debate, another place on the internet is best. Its precisely because facing the behavior of a teacher is not mere complaining but actually is made almost impossible in Buddhist settings that so very many Buddhists have had to seek refuge here at RR.com, a non Buddhist venue, in order to apply the full resources of insight to teachers. RR.com
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Dear blujayne: Use this board but dont let various and sundry types mess with your head. Here is a post from a recent discussion. You've disclosed some information about yourself that is potentially sensitive. Most of the visitors we have here are great. But some have not been so nice. So dont let anyone like that toy with you. You have dignity as a human being. You are not
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QuoteAnd we have no other means to discuss this with Ole directly in a meaningful way without risking the discussion will be blocked, or opponents will risk to be precluded. Seems to me that if 'we have no other means to discuss this with Ole' that alone is enough to signal that you are in a situation that cannot support your practice. If one isnt free to speak directly with a t
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Find out the name of the newspaper published by and for the gay community in your area. They'd be the ones to contact in case one of their journalists is interested in doing a story. For example in London, UK the relevant publication would be The Pink Paper. Its pretty hilarious that this group is homophobic, given that gnosticism flourished in Hellenistic and Roman times and where Ort
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A tactical suggestion: If this set up is active in California, get the word to the gay media that their internal policies are homophobic. People in California are already annoyed that the resources of two wealthy major religions (Roman Catholicism and the Church of Latter Day Saints/Mormons) donated beaucoup buck to the Yes on 8 proposition that struck down lega, same sex civil marriages i
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Dear Free, if you've not yet found this article, it might be worth a look.. The author was a New Age teacher and healer who eventually left. She wrote that part of what made it hard for her to learn from the skeptics was that all too often they tended to write in a painfully harsh manner. And she wrote this while making it clear she had come to value their perspective and had crossed over
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Invade the Caymans one of a series of modest proposals from Mother Jones Magazine Quote Invade the Caymans In 1983 just 10 percent of America's corporate profits were funneled through places that charge little or no corporate income tax; today more than 25 percent of profits go through tax havens. The Obama administration could tell the Caymans—now fifth in the world
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QuoteNo outside force can 'make me' do anything*... (nor can any 4-day class 'ruin' someone's life... that's victim mentality). The wars and strife in this world come from VICTIM and SCARCITY thinking (like a lot of what I'm reading on this website)- Outside forces can make you do a great deal, especially if the means of influence is not fully disclosed to you
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The Ole Thread has Needed Moderator Protection From August 16 2008 to February 1st to 2009, by my rough estimate and use of the search function, on the Ole/Diamond Way thread the moderator has had to protect the discussion boundaries by issuing 22 posts. The messages range from reminders to stay within terms of use, admonitions to refrain from preaching and announcements that some persons h
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Some Resources to Protect This Discussion Thread from Disruption This 'rapid response team' approach to dissent seems a recurring feature among Diamond Way fans. Mr Ross has noted this three times. rrmoderator wrote: February 01, 2009 02:05PM QuoteBuddhaHippie has been banned from this board. Looks like Ole fans are attempting to overwhelm this thread. January 2
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