I was forced to take th flu shot and it totally destroyed my health. The bird flu paranoia was fantastic. Some were even encouraged to buy guns in an end days type scenario. Where it would get to the point of people getting into breaking in to your house to steal out of hunger and chaos. Maybe it will happen one day. Who knows? I must give Mr. B credit for the pandemic prophecy. I wonder ho
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By the way for those who have insiders in the group. Are they FORCING all devotees to get vaccinated for covid? I was FORCED to get the flu shot during bird flu (Asides from being also forced to gather food for a few months out of fear of pandenmic). I was told I could not live at the center if I did not get the shot. I got sick like a dog every single month as my body reacts badly to the fl
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No matter how much truth is exposed on the net and all the old letters from ACB...butler and his minions will be looked at with the highest respects. They will be taken care of till the monment of death and will be remembered as great saintly people. All those who are in the group are part of a shameful spiritual community and by preaching they just recruit clueless souls that will become slave
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So all the testimonies just show that butler has a very huge hypnotic charima assisted by some cosmic forces that manipulate our minds and emotions. I have explained my journey to SoI in a post “mystical forces that drove some of us to K consciousness”. I cannot blame Tusta k das and others for falling into the trap with the inner confirmation that he is a special being. They will all die ha
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The only pure anything I see in that cult is PURE madneness. They can keep their pure devotees and cult of personalitIES. May they always find happiness in the sweet “crack free” illusion they have created.
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Tulsi’s campaign is bringing in millions of dollars. A total stranger said that 14 million dollars was raised by Iskcon via their rich members. The same Iskcon we were trained to hate as much as Homosexuals. The fallen criminals. Now we hang out with them and pretend we are on the same team as well as throwing the title Hindu in there. Let us cover all grounds. Now Tulsi’s campaign is a sour
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Imagine being born into this lie. What a miserable destiny. I used to think it was such a blessed birth. Tulsi knows nothing else and sees the guru as God’s voice on earth. She cannot very often think for herself and she must check everything with butler. Her Iskcon speach is without a doubt written by her guru. I may be wrong but I could totally hear his style. How miserable is this life?
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I truly feel sorry for the SoI devotees. They remind me a bit of kids that are kept in cages all their lives. It is only after decades that I am finding out about other Sanghas and how inauthentic SoI, the guru and the teachers are. They really know what the hell they are doing by forbidding followers to look elsewhere and brainwash them to think butler is the worldwide expert in Bhakti Yoga.
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Our group was very complex. It is hard to blame the guru for the subbordinates. You would have exteremely compassionate and kind ones and some nasty and controlling ones like mine. I have had many different experiences. In lectures, the guru always criticized callous behavior. I cannot tell you how covert the lies and the past of the guru are. I only found oit about it all in this forum.
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Our group dynamics were really bad because of the leader of the center. The guru has thousands of followers and I never saw him in person. That center was a nasty experience for pretty much everybody. Many ran to other centers because of thag leader. No I did have full faith in guru when I left. I left the center and stayed attached to them for many years. I truly left the cult last year
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I know that many follow this discussion without participating. I don’t think there will ever be a legal action taken against SoI. I feel as though this subject that started in 2004 by a simple question is to be considered a divine court of law. Many witnesses came forward, most of the secrets are now in the open, we have denounced and judged. Narcissists and religious Fanatics (illusion o
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Dharmalion2003, there are many different gurus and many different philosophies. In the tradition I was following, guru is key. He is the middle man. Pleasing guru is equal to pleasing God. So guru is taken very seriously. He is your ticket out of the miserable material world. In our case, those who stay do not know all the lies and dirty secrets. Yes of course there is still benefits. The
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Arrest them for what? For being able to brainwash thousands of adults who find joy in free labor, fear and control? Everybody is an enabler in cults and responsible for running a toxic show. Bringing in new people who will in their turn get brainwashed and transformed into free labor slaves. Who creates these narcissist guru monsters? Who gives them power, glorifies them? What would they be
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Vera City, I know that the Medium essay was a cheap attempt. By weakness I meant the irrational, aggressive tones of some words that these people used against them. Attacking a cult is not a sign of weakness. Yes of course everybody is entitled to their privacy and it is a choice not to confront them directly. Rama Ranson is a testimony that these guys are not that dangerous. Otherwise he wo
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I have not watched the series. It looks interesting. There are a few good podcatsts out there on cults I really liked. I think Holy Hell is my top to go documentary on Charismatic gurus and the power they have on the followers.
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I have spent a long year feeling sorry for those who are left behind. Knowing that they have been sold a lie. That they do not not know the dark side and lies of the guru they are following. Suddenly I had an insight that helped me let go of feeling bad for them. All followers of not so genuine and absuive gurus are under the very strong power of illusion. They see the guru as a beautiful, ex
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Let is make peace with the fact that there are no perfect communities. No perfect gurus. Sorry if I am offending anyone. Putting so much pressure on one human being is not even fair. Let us admit that this process can create fanaticism and it cannot be followed in a relaxed setting. It is not for everybody. One must surrender mind, body and life. It is also from a culture which is very differe
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Sorry Rick. My bad. I realize I went totally off topic. I will only focus on the cultish side of the group and not the philosophy. And other subjects about healing. Abusive relations... Thanks for the feedback and intervention. It is all good. These situations will never happen again. Thanks.
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After spending years trying to recover from the abuse of my blood family as well as the cult family, I have come to a conclusion. I can spend my whole life nursing the wounds and 1000 different healing modalities. Focusing too much on what the abuse has done, I give too much power to the abusers. I also disempower myself by thinking about abuse way too often. We all have some scars on our bod
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Tonald Bernard (a dutch banker ) claims he was part of that group.
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The positive of that painful journey is a wealth of experiences and understanding. We have learned about Trauma bonding, fanaticism, stockholm syndrome, mind control, germaphobia, paranoia, nacissistic abuse, pathological lying, codependency.... We have found out that we have more courage than we ever thought by giving up our addiction to the cult and the people in it. And by exposing the dark
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I guess social platforms are not always a good idea when we feel vulnerable. It is my own mistake. But yes for sure we must move on. You must understand that when I come to a cult forum, I do not wish to be exposed to the same dynamics that drove me away. It is all good though. We are adults. I will be back when I feel better and have something to share. Thanks Rick. Sorry about the drama
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Unfortunately the damage is done. You put me in a very bad emotional state and reluctance to post and share in this forum again. I suggets for your own good to work on your tolerance and acceptance of other people’s views. I know that it is not your fault. I have been there. Believe me. I hope you will have the courage to be more introspective about your approach. I am used to getting punched
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I have compassion for you in my heart. I see that my personal insights and critical thinking bothers you very much as a devotee of Krishna and the custodian of your absolute truth. I have battled forces and people much nastier in my life. I decide to stay neutral against your views of me and my posts. It does not surprise me at all that a person such as yourself ended up highjacking all my post
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Your posy has not yet been higjacked by Krishna fanatics? I guess that I am the lucky one! Lol!
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I think you can benefit from a councelor yourself my friend. Keep your education to yourself please. Nobody needs to be educated about Krishna in here. There are books about that. People keep posting the most outrageous stuff but when it comes to me, I must always get attacked. Angry atheist? Lol! I am just stating facts. To think that what was done to Job is disgusting qualifies me as an atheist
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What about Moses smearing blood on the doors? Was it nevessary! Dude you realy have a problem. I am not psoting in here anymore. Who has patience for this crap. I did not escape a the mental hopsital of butler to enter another one here. Hooe you find other people to piss off with your fanaticism. That person is not going to be me. Have fun! Sooner or later, you will get kicked out.
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We are not talking about eating meat alone oh learned brahmana. I am talking about slaughtering sheep based on the story of Abraham. Trust me. I have seen with my own eyes what that poor soul went through. You think that they ahot him with a bullet? You throw scripture at me about eating meat. Try and slaughter a sheep with your own hands if you can. As an empath who loves animals witnessing th
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With all due respect I did not escape the fanatical devotees of butler to have an Iskcon devotee on my back in a forum that is dedicated to cults. You really think that I just speak out of my behind with zero knowledge of the Vedas. I will never make such statement if I had not heard it. I have way different experiences and insights than most people. I am not devoted to Krishna and this forum
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I have seen people debunk Yoga, meditation, unseen forces... If you allow me, I would like to address a tracing that has been bothering me. I hope that it will be allowed because it is a very important conversation. In all the years that I was a student of Bhakti Yoga, we were told to never speculate. We could not question anything. Even if they told you the sky was pink 5000 years ago, you ha
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