Quote Posted by: changedagain () Date: December 02, 2019 11:40AM 'I Alone Have Done His Will' -Senior Pastor, Apostolic Father and Chancellor (a living word from 'The Meek Will Inherit the Earth' series) Posted by: kBOY () Date: December 02, 2019 02:34PM C H A N G E D H I L A R I O U S. An alternate title (and possibly more accurate given the circumstances) m
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Posted by: Northerngate () Date: December 03, 2019 04:10PM I found something good today while reading during my lunch break: Shame thrives on secret keeping, and when it comes to secrets, there’s some serious science behind the twelve-step program saying, “You’re only as sick as your secrets.” Awesome, Northerngate!
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Posted by: JesusJesusJesus () Date: December 03, 2019 02:57PM No bidet in G and M's apt. Why would there need to be? Their poop didn't smell, right? Or maybe they were perfected enough that they didn't poop at all. Something to ponder... If I was a betting person, my money would be on them NOT loading their own dishwasher. Too busy receiving the only revelation on earth an
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Posted by: Northerngate () Date: December 03, 2019 09:39AM Reepicheep and Tknc Just a thought...I am very careful these days about who gets to lay hands on me. There is something to be said about negative energy passing from one person to another. I hear you on that one, Northerngate. I'm careful about who lays hands on me too. Actually, that would be NOBODY! Too many triggers. I t
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Quote Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: Tknc () Date: June 10, 2019 01:04PM I was told my whole life because JRS laid hands on me when I was born, that the Spirit was imparted to me and that I too was a prophet. I don't remember meeting him, but I know his voice well from the tapes I heard all my life. My parents left right before he died, they tol
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Northerngate, Please don't feel like you're walking on eggshells here. You had some connection to and knowledge of TLWF. Your growing up sounds very cult-like. I'm so sorry. What people do to others in the name of religion is so sad. I agree with you about the similarities between cults. I read Cults Inside Out, too. It has great information that gives insight and perspective.
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kBOY, right you are. The only reason anyone got more than a glance was if an individual had something that G&M needed or wanted. Otherwise, it was Potatoville for you, as Onion has indicated on several occassions.
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Onion and JJJ, yes, my memories are blurring together. There was no balcony during the seventies and the elevator was from the nineties. As for the alternate entrance/exit, it was probably there so that G&M could enter and exit without rubbing shoulders with or feeling obligated to speak with the peons who paid for everything and did the work. They behaved very much as royalty. No dish room e
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Onion, or maybe that apartment wasn't fabulous enough and they had to build a new one with a balcony. ; )
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JJJ, that sounds right, but it's been about forty years since I was in there. Lol. Anyone else know? I definitely remember the elevator. Yes, peasants...that sounds correct too. Was it a balcony sort of like the one at the Vatican?
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Quote Posted by: JesusJesusJesus Date: December 01, 2019 04:47PM I must admit, I took the opportunity to poke around in places I'd never been in before, including Gary and Marily's apartment (and its strange back-door walkway to the elevator and an exit) and all of the offices downstairs, especially the central files cavern behind a vault door behind a closet door in the back of an
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NancyB, changedagain, puddington, Onion, typer, Cloudwatcher, Larry Bobo, kBOY, Imapurple, Chachakitty, and so many other contributers to this forum, thank you for speaking up. Thank you for speaking the truth about the harm that TLWF caused. Even if there are still people who are too damaged to get out, it doesn't change the truth. Maybe one day they will reach their limit, and we will be h
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Every post brings more clarity into just how poisonous TLWF and its leaders have been and still are. I hope and pray that all the victims come out into true freedom.
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Yes, let's face it, they (the Apostle to the Kingdom and The Apostolic Fathering Ministries) were/are all bad. They deserve each other. P.S. Is Mercury in retrograde or something? Lol!
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Onion, I know that JRS always drank, but I think it got to the level of always being drunk after Marilyn became his 24/7 companion. What do you think? Also, my impression was that Martha left in 1978. I'm so glad that you spoke with Mary Christine. <3 Happy Thanksgiving, one and all.
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Can you imagine what a bummer it was for JRS when December 1979 rolled around and no Kingdom? What to do with all the ginormous tubs of soybeans? Ah, give them to Kingdom business workers. They don't have any food. And JRS was using the KB credit cards to live high on the hog. But what if someone should find out that he made up the whole trip to the future scam? No problem. He wouldn'
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Chachakitty and Northerngate: I meant to add to my above post that the control was more extreme for children whose parents were in the Walk and for those born into it.
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That's a complicated question, Northerngate. Limiting choices, options and free will were common tactics used on members. People were told to submit every life decision. Once you were "given a word from God", what choice did you have? You could rebel, but your entire belief system and social network would come crashing down. Members were regularly encouraged to break off "natu
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Oh, you mean the one that was already not "keeping her spirit in her sneakers" around Gary Hargrave while her husband was dying? Excellent point, kBOY. ; )
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Quote Posted by: puddington () Date: November 27, 2019 08:25AM Reep, I’m thinking about John on his deathbed. I imagine, in a moment of clarity, he looked around the room and saw only his groupies. People he had created by feeding them fairy tales. And other people that wanted his power. It must have dawned on him that these people didn’t REALLY love him. They just wanted something from him.
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Posted by: kBOY Date: November 27, 2019 03:56AM "It does make him seem a bit more human." Somehow our fantasies (both his and ours) morphed him into a 'super-human'. Fantasies are like bubbles which eventually P O P ! ***************** That is very true, kBOY. I was thinking more along the lines of JRS' repentance on his death bed shows his remaining humani
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Thanks for that info, Imapurple. I probably never knew JRS when he was not somehow involved with Marilyn...years before his divorce from Martha. I'm glad that he finally realized (on some level) that he was wrong for that. It doesn't take away the pain of all the wrong and hurt that he caused so many people. It does make him seem a bit more human.
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OMG! I didn't expect my joke to start a PTSD reaction. No more services, no more playing the piano for TLWF services. Running out of the room screaming right now. Sorry, I probably triggered you too. Wasn't page turning a punishment for making fun of Rick? Blech!
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Changed, I'll be there. If I play the piano, will you turn the pages? ; )
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Northerngate, I think it's so interesting that your background prepared you to be aware of cultish and controlling behaviors. It sounds like some leaders tried the love-bombing technique with you. Good for you for blowing them off. I wish we had all known enough to do that. Here's to all of us getting healthy.
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Good to hear from you, Northerngate. Yes, you definitely dodged a bullet by not getting sucked into the mind games and power plays of the leaders. Somehow your account of your landlord being held in place by fear and guilt no longer surprises me. The more people that participate in this forum, the more puzzle pieces can be put together.
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Chachakitty, Onion and Changed, it is very hard to overcome the dog eat dog, Lord of the Flies world of TLWF. It is the atmosphere we were forced to exist in for many years. The difference between us and Gary is, as Changed and Onion pointed out, that we are sad and apologetic when we realize that we have hurt our friends, while he continues to trumpet his "worldwide ministry" and tramp
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Quote Posted by: changedagain Date: November 22, 2019 12:41PM Posted by: Walked Date: January 12, 2019 11:58PM Those who are hanging on to the tail end will excuse Hargrave's fleeing as necessary to escape the nephilim or false charges brought against him by the likes of us-- who they consider Satanic forces or whatever the nom du jour is. Anyone who hasn't seen the light yet
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Thanks for sharing your perspective, Chachakitty. Rewiring your brain to understand and distinguish between reality and fantasy is a great way to describe this process. It's difficult enough for those who were programmed from childhood, and even harder, I'm sure, for those born into TLWF. It's totally worth the overwhelming effort for those who are willing to get help and do the wo
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Quote Posted by: changedagain Date: November 19, 2019 11:56AM Reep wrote: Yes, he sure did, Cloudwatcher. Wondering if some of those people even believed in God. Was it all an act? A medicine show? I recall having talking with Dan S. just prior to him being declared unfit to be a ministry and subsequently shunned. He was telling me how adept John was with magic tricks, specifically making
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