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5 years ago
i yam what i yam
Sahara19, the problem is that you are not currently devoting yourself to a spiritual solution to your life's problems. And so you are quoting with mystification something that is not designed for you, or not designed for where you are at the moment. Like me, you may 'know a bit about spirituality', and it may have appealed to you at an earlier stage. But also like me, you�
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 years ago
i yam what i yam
Suicides of Mooji followers are not quite the same as student suicides at university. It's more like this:
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 years ago
i yam what i yam
Wombat - I agree with your criticisms of this discussion which has some very interesting moments, and a useful critique of Mooji from outside of the bubble, but is also at times a massive and hysterical over-reaction over something which for many people is positive/benign. And yes, Sahara71 has made some good general points but is not well-informed on the specifics. BUT you yourself are also
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 years ago
i yam what i yam
About the energetic shift that I ascribe to Mooji - Going to a Mooji intensive and a ZMar 7-day silent retreat did have a really powerful effect for me, even if it wasn't exactly the one intended. I had previously seen all manner of mental health professionals, whether specialising in CBT, addiction recovery, etc. And for the most part they were 'witnessed' from within my
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 years ago
i yam what i yam
Mooji criticised as a false prophet in the comments here - with lots of quoting scripture!:
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 years ago
i yam what i yam
The point he makes is that they do actually get benefits. The benefits are real. But the bigger-picture is that they are being manipulated. Personally, as well as pulling me out of a severe and hate-fuelled anxiety disorder I felt the Mooji experience helped me remember and work through some issues I had around my father. At the same time I'm glad that it didn't take me long
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 years ago
i yam what i yam
Let me quote for you again what Tristan Harris said, as you don't seem to have got it: "One of the interesting things is the way that people that I met in those cults who eventually left and later talked about their experience, and the confusion that you face - and I know this is an interest you've had - the confusion that you face when you've gotten many benefits from a cu
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 years ago
i yam what i yam
5 years ago
i yam what i yam
Tristan Harris, an ex-Google guy who now warns about tech addiction, said some interesting things about cults in his recent podcast with Sam Harris which help me make sense of my own experience: SH: You also said in the setup for this interview that you have an interest in cults. What's that about, and to what degree have you looked at cults? TH: Well, I find cults fascinating becau
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 years ago
i yam what i yam
Thank you Corboy for your analysis - anticipation of which was why I posted here. As I said, my own experience was that Mooji's recordings gave me genuine comfort. They were better than the hateful hell of my mental illness, my own collapsed inner world, my extreme anxiety, dissociation, and state of living death. It is obviously the case that many people find relief in listening t
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 years ago
i yam what i yam
Hah, you're really horrible! Please learn how to debate on the Internet and not to be snarky and nasty all the time. You'll learn more that way.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 years ago
i yam what i yam
My view - based on my own personal experience - is that Mooji provides comfort to the mentally-ill, but that ultimately he's a dead-end and a bit of a trap, and you need to be able to move on from him. If your view is that Mooji exploits the mentally ill, because even if he may provide them comfort, it's ultimately done in furtherance of his own veneration and aggrandisement, well,
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 years ago
i yam what i yam
"I think that particular video wasn't uploaded as it showed Moo being less than kind, leas than loving. Quite a bit less, I would think. These type of videos don't suit the image of Moo that the group want to portray, so they are disposed of." No, it is announced in advance which day's satsangs will be streamed on Facebook and uploaded to Youtube. So there was no con
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 years ago
i yam what i yam
Hi! I'm posting here again after a long time - you can see my posts at the start of the thread. I never went to Monte Sahaja, but I've been in Mooji's presence at a retreat and an intensive. I definitely felt pulled into groupthink, as you can see in my earlier posts, though I did sneak a copy of Thomas Keating's 'An Invitation to Love' with me to ZMar, and rea
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
i yam what i yam
Incidentally this morning I went with a relative to a Catholic Charismatic Renewal mass. It was an interesting contrast after a year of satsang! The prayers we read asked God to forgive us if we had done such things as been freemasons; had abortions; engaged in homosexual relations; used prostitutes; followed New Age or Occult practices; and much more, besides. This is a long way from Mooji,
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
i yam what i yam
I still don't see anything bad about it, or accept what you say about there being a threatened inner circle. If someone 'kicked out of 'heaven' had come forward and posted about this, maybe there might be some flesh to your insinuation. Speaking personally, I heard of Mooji after a decade of incapacitating mental illness and addiction. And even though often I thought/thi
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
i yam what i yam
The Papaji clip is from 1994, so I doubt it can be said to relate to Mooji who I don't believe was giving satsangs at that point. Ramana didn't name Papaji as his descendent, and Papaji didn't name Mooji; that's just how it goes. However Mooji does say (surely justifiably) "I am my Master's highest teaching."
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
i yam what i yam
Thanks for your comments. I don't feel qualified to evaluate this scene in the terms of this forum. I think though that there's a risk of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and dismissing any possible spiritual group, however benevolent, as having cult-like qualities. Is this forum basically opposed to any spiritual group/religious group? I would recommend you watch a rece
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
i yam what i yam
Mooji talks about his meeting with Papaji from around 12:55 here:
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
i yam what i yam
Okay, I will quickly consider these. Really it's clear to me that Mooji is an open-ended spiritual group/New Age/new-religion, but not a cult. 1. Milieu Control. This involves the control of information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large. Mooji is the fount of know
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
i yam what i yam
If you look at what is happening on sites like Clips4Sale with the humiliation/addiction "goddesses", you will see something that is straightforwardly evil. Sure, you might say guys have to be mentally unstable/idiotic to get into these clips in the first place. But the "goddesses" use every technique to get people hooked, studying mind control and brainwashing and sexual
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7 years ago
i yam what i yam
I would also be interested in hearing any thoughts about Mooji/the Mooji scene as it is in 2017. My own recent experience attending a Mooji satsang, the first spiritual event I'd been at, was that I felt myself becoming once more my forgotten, calmed self, risen up from the lowest level of consciousness, and as if for the first time connected with reality outside of my collapsed mind.
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