As you admit, "I am the same Landmark devotee and a real flamer and fanatic." Thanks. Now everyone on this board can clearly understand where you are coming from and what your agenda is. FYI--your flames will not be posted.
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Siam: This is pretty much the same lame old sing-song apologetic any hard core Landmark groupie offers, though you seem to be trying to water it down a bit for this board. However, if you are the same "Siam" and Landmark devotee that posts at alt.fan.Landmark, you are actually a real flamer and fanatic. For the record, when people repeat the course it clearly supports the concl
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Hotshot: At this point it seems all you do is post flames. They take up space and are hardly educational. Please refrain from wasting time and space in this way. Your last few posts have been really childish.
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The show is a musical spoof about Scientology, which mocks the controversial church. See for a story about the show. It has received really good reviews.
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Be very careful. See This area of therapy is loaded with quacks.
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups

Thanks for the interesting link on the history of the Coptic Church. Here are some links on the issue of defining "cults."
Forum: Destructive Churches

Great article! It's now also linked at You can post there too. Please feel free to post interesting articles such as this one and others about cults, destructive groups, brainwashing etc. Thanks
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For anyone that wants to share breaking news stories of interest there is an interactive Web page now up and running for that purpose. See You can post links to breaking stories, research and/or comment and rank articles linked.
Forum: Celebrities associated with "cult-like" groups

Azuza: It seems that your purpose on this board is to advance your religion, argue theology and bash Catholicism. That is not what this board is for. The Greek Orthodox Church and Roman Catholic Church are the two oldest existing Christian churches in the world today. Their history, as you point out, comes before any Protestant church such as the Baptist or Pentecostal churches. Th
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Werner Erhard reportedly receives licensing fees for his "technology," which is used by Landmark Education. It also seems very naive to believe that the corporation run by his brother and many old associates, does not have strong ties to Erhard. No specific detailed information about the sale of EST has ever been made public to fully clarify this. Landmark is a for-profit priv
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When Raymond Fowler spoke as an apologist for Landmark he certainly did not express an official opinion for the APA. Fowler essentially spoke as an individual expressing an opinion. And he is not known as an expert or even a specialist in the study of brainwashing. Fowler also did not cite any supporting research and has not produced a peer reviewed and published paper on this subject.
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The issue of Landmark being called a "cult" is really something of a "straw man" argument. Experts have said repeatedly that Landmark is not a cult. Note Lifton's basic definition in "Cult Formation." See Landmark lacks "a charismatic leader who increasingly becomes an object of worship," Jack Rosenberg aka Werner Erhard is off in the Caymans
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No. I did not participate in that show, nor was I invited. My understanding is that it was essentially the "Nancy Salzman Show."
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Daron: Please refrain from religious rants and preaching on this forum. The purpose of this forum is not to promote a specific religious viewpoint and/or to proselytize.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

The criminal record you are referring to ended almost thirty years ago and consisted of two convictions. One was designated a felony the other a misdemeanor. Both guilty verdicts were vacated in 1983. See I have been qualified and accepted as an expert on cults in court within eight states. See In each court case the other side argued, much as you have, that I was not qualified
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I have received very serious complaints about multi-level marketing groups, such as Amway/Quixtar, Herbalife, Equinox and Trek Alliance regarding the methods they have used to recruit and retain members. Certainly, these groups are not "cults," but the methods they use to manipulate people are often "cult like." See the personal stories posted under those titled pages.
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This forum is not exclusively devoted to discussion about groups called "cults." Also see There is information within the Ross Institute database about Herbalife and other multi-level marketing schemes. See
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The Cult News Network has recently been launched. This is a new interactive Internet resource sponsored by the Ross Institute located at The Cult News Network is an opportunity for users to share links about breaking stories concerning destructive cults, benign cults, controversial leaders, groups and movements and related topics of interest. Members can also comment about and/or rate an
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups

The Cult News Network has recently been launched. This is a new interactive Internet resource sponsored by the Ross Institute located at The Cult News Network is an opportunity for users to share links about breaking stories concerning destructive cults, benign cults, controversial leaders, groups and movements and related topics of interest. Members can also comment about and/or rate an
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

The Cult News Network has recently been launched. This is a new interactive Internet resource sponsored by the Ross Institute located at The Cult News Network is an opportunity for users to share links about breaking stories concerning destructive cults, benign cults, controversial leaders, groups and movements and related topics of interest. Members can also comment about and/or rate an
Forum: Destructive Churches

The Cult News Network has recently been launched. This is a new interactive Internet resource sponsored by the Ross Institute located at . The Cult News Network is an opportunity for users to share links about breaking stories concerning destructive cults, benign cults, controversial leaders, groups and movements and related topics of interest. Members can also comment about and/or rate
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Here are some interesting articles that examine the warning signs of abusive churches or leaders. Some general waring signs regarding groups or leaders-- When some people say "discipleship" they may actually mean a very manipulative form of control. See the following links: Typically, the more accountability a church or leader has the safer the situation
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Madonna is actually not involved in the study of the historic Kaballah. She is involved in the Philip Berg Centre. See Also see To better understand how her children's book is being used by the Berg group for self-promotion and recruitment see the following:
Forum: Celebrities associated with "cult-like" groups

Let's hope it's a joke. If this "angry lady" is not joking she really does need some professional help. There actually are some conspiracy types out there who believe such nonsense.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Sounds like you would benefit from discussing your situation with a mental health professional. You might try social services in your area that provide counseling services. Share your experiences with a credentialed counselor and see what he or she has to say.
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I have not seen any meaningful proof of cooperation between the government and groups called "cults." Other than the Unification Church and Scientology's penchant for lobbying and photo ops. Rev. Moon does seem to do well with some political types in Washington through his influence there. But this is hardly secret or a government cover up. This cult and the government cooper
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See
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The above link regarding The Process Church is to the "Religious Movments" website constructed under the direction of Jeffrey Hadden, now deceased. Hadden was often called a "cult apologist" and he networked professionally with others referred to as "cult apologists," some that have received funding directly from "cults." Hadden was recommended as an
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It would be your decision what group to join. See See also "warning signs" at
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Many of the groups listed in the database function in Illinois. See You can use the search feature to enter Illinois and see what comes up. See
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