Good afternoon to you all. I just returned to this site to see if there have been any reports or updates on this group from their years now in Maine. Thanks
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Have there been no new posts since last February?
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Thanks Diane. I did check out his pic on Allot. Seems he has an important position there on a national basis. His face looks familar but to be honest I have not seem him such SBS and i would not recognize him if he walked up to me and said hello.
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All I can say is wow. I checked that link and did some research for P. Ramu. I am speechless to say that I found a document dated December 28, 2011 which records the payment in full of a mortage in the names of Philip and Carol Ramu and Robert and Consuelo (who we know as Connie) Gross. I know that Rob Gross passed away but I never thought that Connie still had ties to the old group. Also P. Ramu
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So very upsettin to hear that. I remember when Pam began nursing school as I was and still am a RN. As a RN she is a mandated reporter of even suspected child abuse.
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Wasn't Vin Costello married to Don Smestead's daughter Pam?
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Diane I am sorry but I made a mistake. I do not know you. I was thinking of L-rry's sisters who I knew very well back in the late 1970's when I was a part of the community. I knew all the Ol-en's well. I got you confused with the girls and it never dawned on me that of course you were not his sister but his ex-wife. I apologize for my lapse in memory. Reading all these horrible thi
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I am really so very sorry for what happened to you and your kids due to Larry.
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Thanks. Very interesting that someone was is still in the movement would share those documents. Perhaps that person is looking for a way out. How very sad that what we all thought, back in the 1970's at least, was going to be a G-d and family based community that had as it's purpose the healing of people and helping people has turned into a corrupt and evil group of leaders who have for
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Diane I am so sorry Larry has spent all the money that should be in your kids college fund. That was a horrible thing for a parent to do. His brainwashing must be so deep and complete that he obviously is not thinking clearly.
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My question regarding these "internal documents" is who wrote them, who blacked out portions and how did you to get them? Thanks
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The book is available on half.com It has an absurd price of $35 but it is there.
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Not sure what that means, sorry. Quotetruthseeker2I'm In.
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I don't remember him. He was certainly not an elder when I was. I wonder how many people who were in that role when I was are still involved. Would be interesting to see if anyone who was an elder stayed after SBS and if aso for how long. QuoteLightdancer7I remember Emmanuel Sanmartino from the early days. He was a recovering heroin addict and Ex-bad biker. He 'found the L-rd"
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The actual name of the organization they are tithing to is the Unifying Meditation Unstitute in Longmont, CO. I did a google search and thats what I found. Not sure who this Sanmartino person is but he is oisted as the contact person for them. QuoteresuIt seems the leaders of this group are falling back on an old and unimaginative tactic in response to the creation of these new blogs. Simp
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What are you scared of? Do you think there is even a remote chance that someone from the "family" will try and do you some sort of harm. If so you need to make a formal report to the authorities and give as many names and details as you have. They might not do anything about it but at least it will start a paper-trail. People like this cult are deathly afraid of paper-trails as they all
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I have no first hand knowledge about who is running the cult these days. If Gary is in charge then he is responsible for the actions of the cult. QuoteSallieMarvin, Do you suppose that Gary Coons is responsible for the abusive environment that these children are being raised in, since he is now leading this cult?
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To be honest it was not until I started reading the posts on this board that I knew the followers of JH were still active and strong. Years ago, more than 15, I met with an old friend from back in the day. I had not seen that person for almost 10 years. It was then that I was told that I was being "watched" and had been so for years. People were waiting for my return to the family. I wa
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Sallie please do think that evryone with the exception of yourswelf and few others you have given your "approcal" to are either moles, liars or worse. People's memories over the years and decades may not be the same or the same person may have some inconsistencies in their memories without lying or being less than honest. We all remember things based on own experiences and what tye
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The things I comment on and my memories are from the years I was involved. I was there from the begining until SBS. What happened after that I have no idea of as I was no longer a part of it. QuoteSallieHow do you know WHERE GANON TOOK PLACE IN 1986 - 1987? The story Pnina told was for the purpose of DESCRIBING A VERY SPECIFIC TIME PERIOD. The time period was the MID 1980s. Pnina was bor
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Sallie I was there, you were not. We said prayers before the butchering and offered the animals to G-d as they were killed. It was done for two reasons, to teach kosher ritual slaying and to be preapred for when in the future the Temple would be restored and sacrifices would be made again. These actions served two purposes, one for the now and one for the future. QuoteSallieIn rural communit
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No it's not complicated when you look at it from the viewpoint of a husnad taking a younger women as a mistress but it is certainly complicated when you look at it from a "religious" view if for many years one person was the appointed second in command and all of a sudden he is disgarded and a new one is in his place. The dynamics of the JH/LR duo was very intense and supposedly ma
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How do I know what? About the animal sacrifices or about Ganon. Both took place while i was still there well before SBS. The school was established before then and had students and teachers. The house in Southold was there for years and used for many purposes such as the wilderness training classes, weekend studies and the animal sacrifices and ritual killings. This was done also to instruct in h
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Ganon was actually held in what was the former St. John's church. JH lived in the house next to the parking lot with his 2 mastiff's. QuotePninaruthWait... I was born in 1980. I went to ganon (or how ever the hell you spell it) 1985-86. Our schoolhouse (if I remember correctly) was on his (Jack's) property. His frickn' dog bit my nose. We moved off the island in July of
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Let me tell you that even again some of us who were elders and long time "family" members we also said "where did this guy Gary come from and why is Lou all of the sudden no longer number 2 to JH". I remember some sort of weird explanation that Gary was "hidden" until it was his time to join JH as his second in command so to speak. On more than one occasion I remembe
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Ex is correct. It did take place at the Southold house. I was there on more than one occasion and was an oberver of the ritual. At the time it seemed the right thing to do in the light of the teachings of JH and how we needed to prepare for the future when sacrifices would take place again. Of course now it sounds so sick and bizarre. QuoteexfollowerQuotedisillusioned1It seems to me like th
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I am sorry if anyhting I posted made you, or anyone else, feel threatened in any way. I will send you a private message with more nfo on me so you will better understand where I am. When I first found the message board I was shocked to say the least about things that happened and that I was not aware of any of them. I have never hid my name from this board nor the fact that for the last three yea
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Considering how you feel about attacks on innocent people can you comment on my post back to you regading my feelings and stance on anyone who has abused others, no matter when it took place. You were very quick to lump me in a group of people who you felt were supportive of "forgive and forget" when it is blantaly not where I stand. Thank you. Quotedisillusioned1Hmmm. Moderator
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I don't know why you feel that I would to offer some sort of forgiveness or leniancy to anyone who abused children or adults no matter how long ago it occured. When I first found out about this board and started posting comments I was shocked to discover so many things that had happened when the "family" was in existence on Long Island. I am 100% for prosecution of any and all abus
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Sallie if I am reading Exfollowers posting correctly he used the word "offensive" not "harmful". QuoteSallieExfollower, This is a thread entitled Jack Hickman The board is called Abusive and Controlling realationships The forum is called Cult Education By posting Jack's teaching about the jesus/john bath experience...you feel I am harming????? Who?
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