Pequagirl is a troll. I gave this person who is probably a fat middle aged man my name and told her things and she leaked it to Gary! Do not trust this person under any circumstance. I thought Sallie was paranoid, but I think she is sometimes right. Be very careful. These people are creating trolls to trap victims and to keep tabs on them. There are some truly evil people in this group.
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nevermind
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There are many members that relocated to Boulder, Colorado. Boulder is a hippy/new age mecca and lightd seems like one of these. I went on the website and saw her name and looked at her pictures. I've never seen this woman at any of the retreats or other meetings. I have never heard any of the older members speak her name. I expect that some of the other children like me that read t
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It wasn't symbolic. Many of the older members have admitted that the seed passing literally happened. It happened to Dennis, Lou, and others. It was more than just seed passing too. Ask around.
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Jack told the youth that they were all new souls, handpicked by himself.
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They could. It would cause the questioner harm. Gary would probably not tell the truth if asked in public. After that the person would be attacked by the group or likely punished.
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SimplyOrganic, Aren't you just beyondeverything now with a new name (RICK ROSS, can't you IP ban people?)? If you are so obsessed with the cult teachings, why not e-mail the members or call them for the bull crap teachings? Go ahead and read the path teachings (the last 'teachings", or better described as bald faced lies), they make absolutely no sense since Jack hardly k
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QuoteConfused7609 In among these really outrageous ideas there were other very detrimental ideas condoned and supported by JH, that were highly injurious and destructive to families. I heard him many times tell various married men that it was fine if they slept with other women due to it being biblically based. He also said this was not okay for women. It was okay for men because they were n
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QuoteFallen 49rI'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this before, but one of the more disturbing and "red flag" issues that label this group a cult is that Hickman said everyone's thoughts and actions would be revealed to the world in the "end". He basically said, "there is NO such thing as personal privacy, ever. All will be revealed to everyone." The
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QuoteFallen 49r There are certainly some devastating facts, and as far as I am concerned, you can't read the Newsday article through and still believe. It's clear as day that Hickman lied about his grandfather, and that he admitted to having a relationship with a young boy. How does one accept these things and still trust the man as a "prophet"? I've heard people w
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QuoteMy Good NameAnyone talking to other cult members about what they are reading on the board? What have you heard them say about it if they are reading the board? I have not heard anything from other members. No one has talked about the board openly with me and I see many members often because of where I live. I think that if the youth (teens til middle thirties people) knew what happened
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Anyone talking to other cult members about what they are reading on the board? What have you heard them say about it if they are reading the board?
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No, Gary has not denounced JH. JH is still the Great Leader that is quoted constantly. Gary cannot be fired and he is considered to be the High Priest of Israel. JH wanted him to be called Zadok by the people, Gary refused and just wanted to be called by his name. The cult is set up like a pyramid. -Gary (The Leader)- --Elders and one David (a person who thinks they will be a king when th
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Does anyone believe JH's motives were more than just sexual and monetary? Does anyone think he believed what he taught? Why did his teachings become more and more insane as time went on?
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Quoterrmoderatordaddylonglegs: Does the group have a democratically elected board, which is elected by the general membership to fixed terms? And if so can this board discipline and if necessary remove people from leadership? They have a board of "elders" that are on there until they die or Gary takes them off. QuoterrmoderatorWas Jack Hickman accountable to such a democratica
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QuotedaddylonglegsThat changed when I heard he claimed to be the reincarnation of Jacob several years back. That was just a little bit too much to swallow. Im sorry, I missed this part.
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QuotedaddylonglegsI kept being drawn back to is that JH himself never actually claimed to be a prophet, or the Messiah, as many cult leaders do. He claimed to be a descendant of Jesus, but claimed there were many out there. He did actually. I was there when one of his "prophecies" was read by Gary and he claimed to be the reincarnation of Jacob and Abraham Abulafia.
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QuoteSallieMy good name, I put the article in your mail box. Did you get it? Sallie, I did not receive the articles. I would like to see them if that is okay. I think it might help me. I tried to PM you, your mailbox is full.
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QuoteSallie Anyone got a problem with that???????????????????????????????? Cause if they do I can post a few more articles about some other members...... Do I sound angry????? If I am then just....accept it and ....let it go. Please post a few more articles if you have them. I have only been able to find about four or five articles including the Newsday one. All the others ones but one hav
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QuoterrmoderatorMy Good Name: "...let go of whatever happened to you. It is not healthy to hold onto the type of heavy emotions you speak of. If you don't let go, you may never heal." Frankly, here it seems like you are saying if people remain critical about what happened to them and explain this to others it's not what you define as being able to "let go."
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I think Gary is just as much a victim as the other members. Some of them have done things that were wrong. Sometimes very wrong. The kind of abuse that I witnessed was psychological. I do know of a several examples of physical abuse. It was not widespread. I cant be everywhere so I dont know. Im not sure if I was even alive when you were part of the cult. I said in my first post that I
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Quotebeyondeverythingnow let's have a FREE and OPEN sharing of information in the name of establishing the facts? i for one have nothing to hide. :-) You have nothing to hide because you have nothing to lose. You were already kicked out of the cult, despite your claims otherwise. That is why none the cult members will talk to you. Invest in something that will heal you, rather tha
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One of the key beliefs of the cult is that they think they are adopted into the family of Jesus bloodline. Here is what a few experts have to say about that. QuoteSteve Olson, author of Mapping Human History: Genes, Race, and Our Common Origins, published an article in Nature demonstrating that, as a matter of statistical probability: f anyone living today is descended from Jesus, so are mos
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QuoteTwo Worlds I don't know whether or not Gary lied or if he struggles in his beliefs of all that Jack Hickman taught, but I do know that he has a deep and strong faith in God and strives to grow in his relationship with God every single day. He definitely is not faking his pursuit of a strong spiritual life. I know that when he was asked a very hard question about homsexuaity in the p
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I have been gathering more info lately. I do think Gary lied. I think he lied because he was embarassed. I think he really believes still. I don't know what those beliefs are anymore. After talking with him a couple of weeks ago, I think he is struggling with his beliefs and what to do with them.
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He believes and I've never seen him lie, even when he really didn't like the question.
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A person here pm'd me. Your mailbox here is full so I cannot write back. You put your phone number in the message and asked that I call. I am afraid to speak over the phone and will only talk over the internet.
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I was born into the group and I still live very close to many members. I no longer believe in the cults teachings, but I have not told anyone in the group that. I don't want to upset my family or lose friends. I understand there beliefs and I think they are twisted, I would even discribe the beliefs as racist. If you would like information, I will supply some, not all though. I respect
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