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They can't and won't ! That would be admitting to the fleeced flock that they have followed the business model in the above link ! All those people who have given so much for so long so willingly would have their belief system shattered and their lives tossed about like the waves of shifting doctrine and heretic teachings they have swallowed hook,line and sinker !
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How To Fleece Your Flock For Fun and Profit ! This is the business model of your false apostle as described with humor and truth ! If you don't get it you probably never will ! Good Luck !
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How To Fleece The Flock For Fun And Profit The False Apostles Exposed With Humor and Truth ! If you don't get it you probably never will ! Good Luck !
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Read this once and you will know that you have been "Owned" by a greed dog ! Or there is no turning back for you ! Good Luck !
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The wealth of the wicked transferred Many a godly man has been drawn away from the snare of wanting riches. 1 Tim 6:9-10 "But those who crave to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction." Much bible teaching today is disguised as a carnal craving to be rich, what the Bible plainly calls coveti
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QuoteTurningPointRejectCondemnation says that you, your being is not worthy of being saved. Conviction says that your actions are not in line with God's will for your life. Which of these is an act of the Holy Spirit? And which of these is from the Father of Lies? But it is only God Who can bring true conviction and produce true repentance. If I don’t miss my guess I’ll bet that yo
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QuotenooneofanyimportenceQuotewherefromhereOMG! Get your own forum ostra. Do one post instead of 500. What is up? Someone check out UGM website? What a joke. Sorry M & C dont see much on your event page. God is a judge, and I think you are being judged. Anyone else think so? I kinda agree ostra not about getting your own forum site, but we are being swamped with imformation on cults,
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"Excited for all the TPC Ladies attending Lisa Bevere conference this weekend. No Fan t Flame tonight. Men's 8am tomorrow-see u there. 12:26 PM May 21st via Echofon"-Jeff Barnes SOME TRUTH ON A SLIPPERY SLOPE, May 16 2004 By G. Maxwell (Pennsylvania) - See all my reviews (REAL NAME) This review is from: UNDER COVER by JOHN BEVERE (Paperback) Although there may b
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QuotewherefromhereTo correct myself, i have listed 44 names, I believe there are only 2 or 3 more. Sorry for the inacuracy which I am sure Mike is on here counting. And Whatajoke, you are so correct in assuming that Mike has not spent any real time with these other churches except maybe the Surigao one, where he has gone on mission trips maybe 3 or 4 time and spending 10 days or less with the p
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God is such a gracious and loving God. He didn't give up on me or my husband but forgave us for all of our sins. We both accepted Jesus into our hearts and have been trying to find ways to share our testimony with others. As we try to reach out to those people who were at the course while we were, we find many who have been so deceived into thinking that this ordinary man is the way to
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There is often a sort of collective arrogance or hubris among established cult members. They see themselves as part of an elite, and look down rather sniffily upon the mores and values of established mainstream institutions. If you criticise a cult member, this may just encourage their tendency to see themselves (their old self) as flawed, and may push them further into the cult. If you cr
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In some cults, members are told to absolutely avoid any contact with people who have left the cult. They are told that the departees are evil and dangerous, and must be shunned and ostracized. Good Scientologists may not have any contact with people who have been "declared Suppressive Persons." Jehovah's Witnesses may not talk to or associate with those who have been "di
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Which are the features of psychological influence most common to spiritual movements ? 1. Outlook/aspiration of members 2. Authority of leader/founder 3. Shared belief in scripture, revelation, or sayings. 4. Uniqueness of the movement. 5. Salvation through baptism, initiation, or conversion. 6. Belief in prediction/prophecy 7. Belief versus intellect/Secrets 8. Common practi
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"In attempting to understand what has happened to the ex-cultist, it is often helpful to employ the victim, or trauma, model. According to this model, victimization and the resultant distress are due to the shattering of three basic assumptions held about the world and the self. These assumptions are: "the belief in personal invulnerability, the perception of the world as meaningful, an
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What kind of relationship do destructive group leaders have with their followers? The leadership most often defines what is right and wrong and group followers are essentially expected to defer making meaningful value judgments regarding almost any issue of significant importance. And any member of the group who questions or doubts the authority of the leader is likely to be labeled wro
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Cults use Ritual and Repetition Cults use ritual and repetition to instill their reprogramming on their members. Rituals are things that the group does together to voice support for the group and demonstrate their submission to the cult mind. It can take the form of group prayers, songs sung together, the saying of the Pledge of Allegiance, marching in unison, or other acts where the in
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A sock puppet is a person who is totally controlled by the cult mind. You are taught that you are important and that you are being trained for an important mission. You are being evaluated by the other group members who are all concerned about each other's spiritual progress. You are required to seek their praise and avoid their blame. Social position is everything within the group
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Praise and Blame refer to a system of rewards and punishments used to control your behavior. They use praise when you do something good and blame when you do something bad. Sounds like normal child rearing so far but it doesn't stop there. Some praise and blame is normal. But cult control takes it to an extreme. Cults need to enslave you to survive. Praise and blame are the must common tools
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The human need to be part of a group is far stronger than logic. Most people will sacrifice logic for social acceptance. People survive through groups. We need to connect to society. We need to become a productive member of the community to feel good about ourselves. This is a built-in instinctive need and it is very strong. Logic isn't as strong as our need to be accepted in a comm
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This most certainly looks like a cult… a good first indicator to stay away or be weary is when the leader claims to have an elevated spiritual knowledge or enlightenment that others need… also claiming to have been specifically “chosen” to be the conduit of lost spiritual meaning… Another indicator to be weary about is the self commission… How many times has Mike V. preached about cond
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QuotebuddyJeff Rock Barnes past Twits: Those who persevere see the 30, 60 &100 fold harvest PNBC Business Intensive today-surrounded by a group of possibility thinkers. Excited for the future! Amazing meeting w/P Becky from City Church & our small group team. God is unleashing an army of leaders to love/impact our church/community. @kimberlybarnes: RT @judahsmith (City Church): How
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True Confessions and Repentance of an Elder Because of all this, I need to repent and ask your forgiveness. I was wrong. I thought wrong things. I believed wrong things. I modeled wrong things. I taught wrong things. I was wrong. I have sinned against you and the others and against my grace loving, mercy giving, all powerful, all loving God. -I repent for teaching and modeling that the
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NOT EVEN ONE VERSE? Are you prepared for a shock? These should be obvious, but the truth is the MAJORITY of Christians have swallowed many a lie. How simple and easy it should be for a person who reads the Bible to see the obvious traditions and practices of Christianity which HAVE NOT A SINGLE VERSE to support them. Yet the majority of Christians willingly accept the following as
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As part of a denomination that claimed to be "apostolic" we took on legalisms and pharisaical practices that had no support from the new Testament Covenant Christ gave us. As we transitioned into a non denominational assembly, we were conditioned to accept many unscriptural practices in the name of "seeker sensitivity" and we became heavily influenced by apostate ministr
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If there was a book written "Were You Ever Deceived?", I could fill in a few chapters: -I was deceived by prominent national ministries in regard to the Y2K not-a-disaster. -I was deceived by the twisting of scripture in regard to manmade "holiness" doctrines and legalisms. -I was deceived into respecting the leadership of men even when it departed from the Word in
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However, as so often in Church history, a movement that came to popular acclaim through such supposedly good fruit soon revealed its true nature as something more like a cult, with extremes of belief that brought the Name of the Lord into disrepute. Unfortunately, it seems this was inevitable - the roots of the doctrine were firmly planted in the soil of the metaphysical cults. The errors tha
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QuoteTurningPointRejectQuoteostracizedoneTHE GOOD OL' THREAT OF SPIRITUAL DEATH Former cult members, mostly young girls, have told police they were instructed to undress for health checks and to have sex with Jeong to remove their sins. The girls said they were threatened with spiritual death if they spoke of what happened, according to previous media reports. THE GOOD OL&
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False Teachers & False Prophets - Bible Scriptures - shows us the Main Scriptures in the Bible that warn us about the MANY False Teachers & False Prophets in our World today that Preach & Teach a different gospel other than the Teachings of Jesus Christ (Matt 7:15-20, Matt 24:11,23-26, Mark 13:22) MONEY SCRIPTURES IN THE BIBLE - FALSE PROSPERITY GOSPEL Rom 16:17 “MARK THEM which
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It is not unloving to rejoice in the fact that false religious leaders, who do not repent, will experience the fullness of God's judgment and wrath in Hell. What is unloving is to not fully expose false religious leaders by name in order to protect others from joining them in Hell. Paul named false leaders to warn the brethren, and we should do likewise. False leaders often prey upon
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