its unfortunate the books on this list don't really exist, but it is rather humorous..
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QuoteCult SchmultI understand not liking it when someone changes but isn't all free will? I look at the prices of these LGAT's. If someone spends $1000 there and also leaves you for someone else or spends $1000 on vacation and leaves you for someone else, is Princes Cruiselines a cult too? Is it mind control sci-fi or just life the world over? Its free will until it is captured, th
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QuotesadkimmyI don't believe I'm really blaming people or even blaming God. I don't feel bitter or like I'm holding anything against anyone. It's more a kind of sadness and feeling of disillusionment. And I just wonder if God is really there at all. I totally understand that I need to depend fully on God, and not other people, that people always fall short. I don&#
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I hope it will be good...the suspense isn't!
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QuotesadkimmyAs for spiritual help, I am kind of stuck there. Maybe I was wrong, but when I came to Christ, I thought the "body" was supposed to edify, encourage, and help each other grow spiritually. It really makes me question the Christian faith because I don't understand the lack of concern from the "brothers" and "sisters". I used to think the same way an
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QuotesadkimmyWell, I haven't been going forward at all, just backward. I just feel I am getting worse and worse... sadkimmy, you describe difficulty and fatigue after having a baby in your first post, and you describe that it was deemed 'unnecessary' to seek out help for these problems. Have you sought out professional help for these issues in spite of the opinions of those ar
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QuotecorboySo if anyone is trying to get free from a high demand group, whether an LGAT or some other type of group, they may need to examine what *books, CDs or films or music* might possibly have been used as part of the instruction and if this could be part of a set of triggers hindering recovery. A most intriguing point corboy, its got me wondering.. I wonder if revisiting the same music
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QuoteZorroDude!!!! You think that seeing a psychotherapist could damage your ability to maintain your security clearance. What the hell do you think participating in what is essentially a cult that uses mind control on people is going to do to your ability to keep a security clearance? If you think for one minute that the government is going to over look participation in Landmark and give it less
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QuoteskepticThere's also the waiver you'll sign that says if they send you over the edge, they are not accountable (hypocrites!) That is where they just kind of give it all away as far as their integrity levels go..this is also an area where they are completely exposed as far as their true intentions and credibility lie-- its unfortunate that the people signing the 'landmark gets
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QuoteJaredDCHow exactly do they control your mind? I don't really understand how sitting in a room for three days in uncomfortable settings could send someone into a psychosis or make them a mind slave. How exactly do they achieve "Mind Control" over you? When you listen to people who tell you what a great and advantageous experience a Landmark Forum is, and all the while you
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QuoteJaredDCSo, a couple of friends of mine have really suggested that I try out the Landmark Forum. I've heard alot of what they say they can do and it sounds appealing- for instance how they can really improve your sense of self confidence. I also like how they say they can help you let go of your past... I was bullied alot as a kid in school and as a result I have been prone to anger and
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count me out of this discussion, it is a circular debate and frankly, I've said enough. If I stumble across any information on Sweden's stand against Landmark, I'll be sure to post it.
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QuoteVic-LucLook, no disrespect, y'all take y'alls Bible study somewhere else...Talk about Jesus in the Jesus threads. All I'm interested is a hardcopy/snapshot of the allamericanpatriot page. my apologies vic-luc, didn't mean to get carried away and you're right this topic belongs on the Jesus threads :)
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QuoteJack Oskar LarmThanks for that, I'm aware of my tendency to be self-effacing. I think this trait of mine comes from years of frustrating debate with advocates of any strong belief system. I suppose you could say I have strong beliefs too, but I like to think they're fluid and not set in stone. I suppose I've come to suspend judgment on so many issues and ideas. So, as you say,
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QuoteBlue PillA good summary of the differences between this faith and Landmark. Not wishing to offend any Catholic followers but I sometimes think Landmark quite closely resembles the old school / extreme versions of that faith. The whole "we are born to suffer" and "we must constantly repent" thing fits quite nicely with Landmarks control system. My ex (a moderate catholic)
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QuoteJack Oskar LarmSorry to sound like the Devil's advocate, but I don't consider a belief in Christian doctrine that different from Landmark's. You should never apologize for what you believe. I will presume we have differing thoughts on what Christian doctrine is. I'll just state mine: Christian doctrine is first a faith in a God you don't see in the carnal sense, i
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I hear ya. I was told once by a lekkie that alot of Christians are committed to Landmark too. I felt that that was a bit of an oxymoron. Needless to say I did not get an answer when I asked how a self proclaimed Christian is able to justify embracing something that is founded completely on deception, is taught in deception, and still think they're believing in the same Jesus that said &quo
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QuoteelenaSeriously, one humorous parody can undo as much as ten-fold of scholarly journalism. A few more like the above could put these bozos six feet under. One wonders why it took so long for something like this to make it to the public airwaves. I agree. Ridicule over reason anyday when it comes to getting a point across.
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QuoteelenaJust saw a hilarious commercial on CNN. Someone at American Airlines must have been persuaded to attend one of these silly seminars and his take on the situation was to ~create~ a laugh-out-loud parody of a hapless participant looking for the nearest telephone to book his early flight out, making his escape on American Airlines, of course. It's a hoot with the "trust" e
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QuoteMartinHo o o , not a very respectable list to be on :-) Landmark Education works heavily to be seen just as a company that sells courses. However, brain washing techniques and pressure on recruits ... well Exactly. Landmark's methodology is what defeats and totally contradicts their claim as being nothing more than 'world leaders in personal training'. Obviously they place
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Quoteajinajanhttp://www.allamericanpatriots.com/m-news+article+storyid-16286.html The United States Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor's Sweden: International Religious Freedom Report 2006 states that Sweden has labeled Landmark Education as an "active religious group" A significant number of smaller, internationally active religious groups have also been establish
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QuoteMaggieHallelujah! Democratic PAC faces lawsuit for employee 'religious events' Awesome! Let's hope he goes the distance.
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QuotesadkimmyI believe that's true. I'm just going to try to slog on as best as I can... I'll try to update on my progress (or lack of it)... Thank you so much for your story, and taking the time to share it. It really helps to be understood. I'm glad you got out of that environment, that sounds really scary and horrible. Have you been getting through it OK? slogging on so
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QuotesadkimmyIt got so oppressive I begged my husband for us to leave, but he didn't want to. He was afraid what "they" would think, and he had to come to a decision without my pressuring him. So I submitted and stayed for a few months until he saw it for himself. Then he chose for us to leave, so we did. So that's the long story, short. I think you can see for yourself WHY I
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Quoteskepticsee: thanks Skeptic, didn't think to search here first..
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QuoteZorroHoly Sh*t! Have you all ever heard of Millennium 3 out of Dallas, TX? www.millennium3education.com Their freaking address is: 4440 Spring Valley Road, Dallas, TX 75244 Which is right down the street from the Landmark Education building at: 4901 Spring Valley Rd, Dallas, TX 75244 Millennium 3's courses are almost identical to Landmark's. This is freaking creepy that
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QuotesadkimmyHi, I'm new here. I don't even know if what I was a part of would be considered a cult or not. I certainly see some common points, but others don't fit at all. I really felt I had to leave the group or spiritually die... I was a Christian, but am not so sure if I am still one now. I do believe the Bible, but not in my ability to interpret it correctly, and I ha
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QuoteskepticON2 LF - great post. I relate 1000%. It wasn't Landmark that fucked me up (both directly and indirectly through my sister), it was another lgat. But they're all the same, in their tactics and their destructiveness. I like how you write. After six sickening, regressive years in the lgat my mind is a mess. I feel largely unable to express my thoughts anymore and I apprec
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QuoteskepticON2, I see that you're near (or in) Vancouver. CONtext Associated is fairly "big" in that area. Have you heard of them? Their range is small and narrow and since their leader died I think it's even smaller. The Pacific Northwest is their stronghold, the Seattle area and north into the Vancouver area. I had not heard of CONtext until this message board. I had
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QuoteSkepticI'm looking over some of your old posts ON2. Ah, you say it so well. :) This post made me think of my sister. I've sent her some excerpts from this book, along with other information, and she is very creative in dismissing, denying and REFRAMING every single piece of evidence that points to mindcontrol in lgats. She even denies that the lgat we were in is an lgat! It
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