Thank you for your post, you explained it so clearly. I can relate to everything you stated. My experience is very similar , but was connected to Gestalt therapy ,and Transactional Analysis Therapy. The last four years have been traumatic for me. I have gone to the brink of suicide to, I have lost all my identity and doubt every word that I speak and think . I won't go into the brainwashing
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I guess the point for me is not whether you choose to wear a Burka and believe the far fetched claims of Islam or choose to go to bed at 9pm and believe the wild claims of Universal Medicine. It would be difficult to maintain a relationship if your partner came home one night dressed in a Burka, but that would be her choice. I can either accept that or move on The fact is, we are seeing a grea
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QuoteMacReadyQuoteGibbsQuoteMacReadyBreast 'therapy' slammed The above article is incorrect in stating that Benhayon's sons have been trained in 'esoric breast massage'. Only female practitioners perform it. Apart from that unfortunate error, a solid article. From what I know, Serges son Curtis is actually qualified in the women's breast massage. Apparently
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QuoteMacReadyBreast 'therapy' slammed The above article is incorrect in stating that Benhayon's sons have been trained in 'esoric breast massage'. Only female practitioners perform it. Apart from that unfortunate error, a solid article. From what I know, Serges son Curtis is actually qualified in the women's breast massage. Apparently he is the only male be
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You will notice that nobody on the new UM blog has responded to the supernatural/mystical allegations. Understandable, as this would require the function of 'Critical Thinking' If UM students are happy to put their trust in what is being presented spherically by Serge and ignore or refuse to engage in the 'Parts' that do not come with a shred of evidence or proof. Tell m
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QuoteMacReadyIt's rather like Christianity minus the detail of Christ's resurrection. The entire foundation for the belief system has been changed. Or Christianity minus the detail of creation. Evidence for evolution kills that construct from the start. History shows us people will still believe in something, even when it has been shown to be a lie. Why is this such a surprise?
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QuoteCOncerned PartnerQuoteGibbsQuotefrodobagginsLet me just clarify "UM are practicing this non proven technique" That is a little misleading on my behalf .... what i mean is in a general sense.... UM are practicing energetic healing of some kind. I don't have first hand knowledge that Serge specifically uses the technique shown on the TV story. You will also find that UM do
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QuotefrodobagginsLet me just clarify "UM are practicing this non proven technique" That is a little misleading on my behalf .... what i mean is in a general sense.... UM are practicing energetic healing of some kind. I don't have first hand knowledge that Serge specifically uses the technique shown on the TV story. You will also find that UM do not promise to cure cancer like
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Re tampons; This is a new one! I honestly don't get why Serge would say stuff like this unless he is convinced what he is saying is true and doesn't care what people think. Or is incredibly daft. If control and money is what drives the man, I can't help but wonder why he says so many things that get people off side. Really stupid way to build a large following.
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Has anybody here thought about speaking at one of the monthly EGD's. I wonder if Serge would allow a person or 'group' to 'present' some of the arguments brought up here that he or his family could then reply to. This could reach a large number of people deeply involved and give them a different perspective on the principles of UM. Failing an official invitation
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QuoteMacReadyQuoteCOncerned PartnerI Just borrowed this from the menu above "mind control" as it is very succint and a reminder of what we are all doing here. Bold and underscores are mine. Abusive Controlling Relationships "Destructive cults, groups, movements and/or leaders "maintain intense allegiance through the arguments of their ideology, and through social and psy
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QuoteJonn Lazuras QuoteOne point i forgot to report is that Natalie is only 22 years old she states on the recording....how a young person at this age with no real formal training could counsel women on relationship issues is beyond me. It is a sorry state when the women who listen to her are happy to discuss there issues with her when she has little life experience.....and pay her for the a
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Quotetreefern Serge if you think so highly of women, to the point that you tell/suggest to men that they ask permission to even touch their wives, so stupid, why treat these girls so badly? You are right treefern. Now that I think of it the UM office reception is like a dog box. This brings to mind another of Serge's teachings that is extremely debilitating and cancerous to a relationsh
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QuoteSo the entities don't control people but essentially they control (!) or influence people as a result of bad choices. Logic would suggest that any bad choices an individual makes are the result of a thought process, otherwise they wouldn't be choices. Serge also teaches that we are incapable of individual thought, that all thoughts and ideas are impulsed to us either from '
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QuoteGibbsQuotecorboyQuote• It is for this reason that Serge has taught – ‘comparison is a destroyer of what is already amazing and perfect for you in your life’ – SB. In comparison we want/need what another has we think is better or what would be best for us if we had it. In this, we further bury our own beauty and our own Heaven-ness in favour of what we think we need as opposed to what we alre
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Quoteknowledge_is_kingGuys on another note, not being petty but can we start getting the quotes right and the copy and pastes and the use of close and open brackets on HTML this topic is tricky enough, but it's actually getting difficult to understand who is quoting who and who is saying what with responses going above and below quotes, people answering within others' quotes, sort it ou
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QuotecorboyQuote• It is for this reason that Serge has taught – ‘comparison is a destroyer of what is already amazing and perfect for you in your life’ – SB. In comparison we want/need what another has we think is better or what would be best for us if we had it. In this, we further bury our own beauty and our own Heaven-ness in favour of what we think we need as opposed to what we already are. T
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QuoterrmoderatorGibbs: You are being "probed" concerning your beliefs because apologists come here, or should I say "trolls", to undermine and subvert threads. These folks often pose as well-meaning participants. So people here are a bit suspicious at times. Just trying to understand if you remain a true believer in UM and are here to somehow defend the group and
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QuotecorboyPending question: Does behavior of UM dieters match anything reported in the Ancel Keyes study? Do the UM dieters wear extra clothing and behave as though they have low body temp? Yes, I have found they do wear heaps more clothing. I found myself thinly dressed, when many others had thick jackets on and/or blankets around them. Keeping warm is an important thing. For example
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No, but I still think of it as a possibility. I have lots of crazy things that I think are possibilities that have nothing to with UM as well. It doesn't matter exactly what I believe or anybody's personal beliefs are does it? I have come to say there can be life after UM. You can get through this intact and with your partner, family, friends and finance. I don't mind tel
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Quoteknowledge_is_kingQuoteGibbs There was a 8-10 year old young girl this time and she answered Mom, Dad, happy, friends, etc.. Hey there are a couple of straightforward reasons as to why the American spelling for the abbreviated form of Mother 'Mom' has been used here: 1. Gibbs is American and has used the American form accidentally. Possible. 2. The kid was American and used th
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QuoteSeems to me like a visit from some sort of parenting agency to the parents involved might be a good idea. I can not believe they allowed this happen to their child. I am really shocked by this. Has this happened more than once? Is it a regular practice? HerbertKane178 I don't know if Serge does this anymore. This was about 4-5 years ago. I remember one of the students saying Ser
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MacReady Good points. I agree with everything you said. QuoteNote: Serge claims that murder, rape, suicide, pedophilia etc are all the result of entities entering and manipulating the perpetrator. How then can he claim that entities have no real power and as such are nothing to worry about? This is a good question. From what I know, the entities are given easy entry because of the life choic
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QuoteHerbertKane178This stood out to me from your posting, Gibbs, and if anyone can add to this I would appreciate it: "The most convincing entity sessions I witnessed was not like the pairing up. It was two separate times with a bout 6 different people. It was a fair while ago but I remember Serge would select a volunteer from the audience (joking one time about how the person was coache
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Hi MacReady, I would like to reply and tell more of my experiences in context. QuoteMacReadyRegarding Serge's claim of being able to 'put entities into people and then remove them' I made mention of this in an earlier post. I have also experienced this alleged talent of Serge's first-hand and I felt ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER. I kept waiting to feel anything other than m
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Gidday COncerned Partner, I will respond as in previous posts as it seems easier to reply in context. QuoteCOncerned PartnerHi Gibbs' Glad to see you join the conversation. Naturally you are going to be challenged in doing so because most of the people here are having the opposite experience. I am not one to work on anecdotes, but I can tell you this, I am close enough to know what you are
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Hi John Lazaras, I think you are doing the right thing. Keep loving and supporting your wife with all your heart. My partner was always there unchanging and supportive. She never tried to talk me out of UM and allowed me to find my own way out. I think I would have dug in deeper if she argued with me or flug my healing symbols around like frisbees, like some students have told me their partners d
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Quoteknowledge_is_kingWhat does Serge Benhayon and Universal Medicine Want? What is their Destination? Hi knowledge-is-king, My understanding is that UM see themselves as helping or as they say TO SERVE. I would guess their destination is that humanity returnes to the glory of love light Serge says we all originally came from. Gibbs, I was really glad to read your account of your personal ex
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Corboy I do thank you for the playful dissection of my post. All valid points. I do hope I can continue here and come out in one piece. I will not have the time to address everyone here but I will try. If I just tell my stories perhaps I won't come across as defending or apologetic of UM. I am happy to tell people of my journey and knowledge of the UM group, good and bad. I understa
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Dam I'm going to need some help or a lot of spare time to reply to all these questions. I thank you all for your queries. And Corboy especially, you have a stylish way of getting down to business. I will begin with what I know about UM with your questionnaire. First we need to understand Serge's premise that we came from light and chose to descend into physical form. As it go
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