QuoteGulab Jamon Most call themselves teachers and not gurus. The way they present themselves varies depending on the individual teacher. ****** Guru means teacher. We are all Guru's because we have something to teach. I dated a hindu ex-monk for 3 years and he educated me that parents are Guru's - any teacher is a Guru. A leaf is Guru, a dream and so on. but instead had an e
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Response: I know the teachings of RK very well. I even visited his HQ in India in the 1980's. I traveled the eastern path for many years (including 10+ years of meditation, yoga, pranayama, Sidha powers, etc.), have had many experiences, and met many "advanced" masters on the path. Tolle is aligned with the tradition of J. Krishnamurti which is a blending of Vedanta, Buddhism and T
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Not true. One of the greatest spiritual teachers of the 20th century, J. Krishnamurti, supported the same approach. Krishnamurti has stated that there is only one way to achieve a deep, fundamental and permanent change in our personalities, and that is through a kind of profound, spontaneous insight into our inner nature ... "know thyself". "Well good luck... How do you suppose
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Exactly. Ok, even Ramakrishna who's movement brought Vedanta to the west in the early 1900's wouldn't identify as "i" but really, he would talk of his body as 'this body' but really , what person a person talks in is not the ticket on how to identfy an enlightened person, nor the tone of their voice, nor their looks, nor their behavior. Enlightened folk are no
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Rebirthing got me out of the cult. "Parental disapproval" that is targeted in rebirthing helped a great deal. BTW - REAL rebirthing that is about breathing....not the Colorado BS..
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Why did you leave? What influenced you etc.? The leader was abusive yelling all the time and scitzophrenic and wouldn't take his meds. He actually hit someone in his anger when she wanted to leave the 'order'. This group by the way is in the Sierra Nevada's. I still live in the general area, so I will omit his name. He has now written books on gnosis and thinks he is en
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QuotecspQuoterrmoderatorcsp: I'm sure Tolle would be laughing hysterically at my defense of him and his writings. All ego he would say. Probably true, but it is a part of me at this time, to have a strong reaction to what I judge as someone being falsely accused or grossly misunderstood. There are "gurus" out there that are doing a lot of harm to people, but I don't feel th
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QuotecspQuoteThe AnticultHe is NOT enlightened. He might be detached from everything but money and his own Fame, but the dude is NOT enlightened. But he is good at play-acting though. OK. Can you define for us the criteria for genuine enlightenment or give us an example of someone who is enlightened so that we can discern between those that are and are not? Thanks. CSP: I don't mean to
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QuotecspHow is one to prove their enlightenment? For me ... I watch and listen. If a person is authentically "awakened" their voice carries a specific vibration of silence. It's not the words, but what is behind it. I've watched most of the current or recent spiritual teachers either in person or on video and both Krishnamurti and Tolle (as two examples) carry and convey this
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