By the way, to show Geronimo's history of child molestation... He was in Anaheim with Set Free Church (run by his father, Phil Aguilar) and was married with two small children when he started his child molestation/relationship with Sammi B (his now wife) who was FIFTEEN YEARS OLD and he was 21. They got caught, that's why he was sent off to Texas. And he jumped into molesting the 11 and
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Very fortunately at least TEXAS has followed thru with their child molestation charges against Geronimo. And everyone knows you "Don't Mess with Texas" he's going down for life. BUT, I think any family members who know of his molestations in Richmond SHOULD press charges. Contrary to what "FindtheLies" said, any girl under 18 CANNOT consent to sex. It is automaticall
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I am relieved to find that Texas has followed thru with their charges and Geronimo is going down.
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Hello DoubleSTandard, I have been a longtime contributor to this thread (though I've been gone awhile). This thread and the entire messageboard forum is designed and accessible to people who have been involved with or are currently involved with a church group they feel may have crossed the lines into cult behavior. Those churches control their membership by censoring their ability to ta
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Missy, Phil Aguilar (Set Free) often holds One finger up, (the index finger pointing skyward) in an attempt to suggest he is saying "God/Jesus first" Or, sometimes he has used it to suggest "look to God" Geronimo uses the peace sign (two fingers pointing upward, palm facing others)? or, does he use the British (two fingers pointing upward but the back of the hand faces o
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Wow Gd - Let me just interject that it is obvious that you haven't taken the time to read the entire conversational string from post #1/page #1. The PRIMARY reason that many of us take the time to write our experiences with Geronimo, The Roc, Set Free (when Geronimo and Sammy were there) and so on is to ask questions that might help people who happen to be already hurting or questioning
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Hi Shafted, I know it feels like the two girls in Texas "SHOULD" come forth... almost like they have a responsibility but I can't help but to also sympathize with them. What must it have been like to have been sexually abused at that young of an age? And worse yet, by someone who you trusted and felt was a spiritual leader? The other thing I know from my experiences with Phil,
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CRmanny, I am glad that NowISee reposted my message for you to read. Have you noticed that this discussion thread has 33 pages? We continually encourage people to read the entire thing from beginning to end and then coupled with their own experiences and reasons for joining this web site possibly make an informed decision about what you feel about the Roc or Geronimo. I can speak for my
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Hi TrulyBlessed, I'm sensing that your exit from either Set Free or from The ROC is somewhat recent? I feel your anger/pain. I really do. Once I got over being their fiercest defender I shut down for awhile... then some real anger set in. It took a really long time for that anger to be dealt with and calmed to a manageable resentment and distrust of any churches. (though I fortunately wa
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Rocgurl, I really can appreciate where you are in terms of supporting your church leaders. I was there. I fiercely/blindly supported my leadership. I did use the same logic... "nobody's perfect" and "humans by their nature are sinful and faulty" (in fact, oddly those types of phrases were repeated often by the leaders in our chuch... it's a subliminal way of plan
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Here is a link to the online copy of "Churches that Abuse" by Mr. Enroth It is no longer printed, that I can find so I believe the people at this site kindly put it online to be available to those who have questions about their own potentially abusive churches or for those who were part of these churches. Set Free (Phil Aguilar's church - father to Geronimo Aguilar) is menti
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Yes, As to just SOME of their connections.... Phil and his other boys were at the stripper-filled bachelor party for Fieldy (of KORN). I have saved the pictures as proof. They also run their own clothing and music stores online in which they have had girls barely clad, posing with guns and in very suggestive manners. Definitely God-like behavior. They also have videos of them running with t
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Shafted & others, What you found out about Phil Aguilar is true. It was big time scandal in L.A. and O.C. areas. Yes, he and his cronies were hanging out in a local bar (preaching, of course) and got into a fight with some Hell's Angels. And last I checked one Hell's Angels member died... maybe the end result was different. There was a gigantic raid on Phil's and many other
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AW Stevens, That's interesting about the 'salvation cards'. During my time at Set Free (Geronimo was there and actively as well... we used to be encouraged to go 'volunteer' as phone bank operators at TBN television station during Jan and Paul Crouch's show or Benny Hinn's show. I recall one night I was banking during Jan & Paul's show. The phone ca
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I can verify that someone entirely different sent me a private message 2 years ago telling me about the girls in Texas. The details were exactly the same, the people mentioned are identical. I got some further details as well but never shared it publicly because the person sharing privately with me asked me not to. You see, part of the methods of charismaticly led or possibly cult-like churches i
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Big Pun & others, Why he left Cali?.... Ask anyone who was going to Set Free when he was then TWENTY ONE years old and SAMMI B was 15.. and he was married to Stacee and had two kids. He had his affair with underage Sammi and took off and abandoned his wife and kids. Seems like he kept a habit of the underaged girls in Texas. I'm curious if he ever got some kind of therapy or life cha
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Hi there Rocsucs, So, share with the group your experience that makes you feel that way. In what way were you hurt or betrayed?
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Sawthelight.... lol.... sometimes it takes a sledgehammer to the head for some of us to recognize and admit we are part of a corrupt group (not necessarily through fault of our own). I was one who held on to the 'party line' at Set Free for a REALLY long time.
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Hey ?'sAtROC or others who know, Back at Set Free we had "The Homes" and "The Ranches" The Home were closer to the church and the Ranches were farther out from society. The Homes were used by the pastor or leaders and also used to house lots of people who work in the various ministries or were on the dance teams (posses) and all that. It was a total mixture. Yes, some
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Again, for the benefit of those people who are currently reading this discussion thread... Can anyone who has been to Geronimo's 'million dollar house' please share the following with the group?: 1. Estimated cost of the home or cost on any known statements of value? 2. Description of the home's amenities, size, number of rooms, condition? 3. I'm not going to
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Hi Thankful and Others, There is someone who spoke to me recently and they are reading this discussion topic but they don't get the sense that Geronimo encourages the congregation or individuals to shun those members who have chosen to leave The ROC. I have read quite a few of those comments before in this group. Would any of you mind sharing again any specific stories of either: 1 1.
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?'sAtROC, Unfortunately, the only thing you can do if they don't want to hear anything is to pray for them. If they are interested in hearing people's stories suggest that they visit this discussion thread and suggest they read the entire thread (all 11 pages/months worth) of postings. They need to make their own informed decisions about what they feel is right for them. I had
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Xfan, Ever since I read your experience at the 'health clinic' run by the ROC I have been brought to tears laughing imagining a conversation between a patron of the clinic and this 'ex-heroin-addict' phlebotimist (blood drawing-vampire person) and it has gone a little something like this... "Don't worry, hon... I used to be a heroin addict. If anyone can get a ve
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Hey NowISee, If I remember correctly he was with his mom and I vaguely also think I recall that his dad DID have some contact with him. You see... the big giant lie he's been telling the people in Virginia is that he was a drug addict/gang member who just happened "by some mystical coincidence" to walk into a church when he was 17 that just 'happened' to be run by his
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Hi there I haven't had contact with Stacee in some time. There is another here in the group who has current contact with her. Maybe that person will answer that question. I can't out them as they told me in confidence. However, I DID find out something that absolutely shocked the hell out of me recently. Stacee has been allowing the kids to go visit/stay with Geronimo. I heard that
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Hey Xfan, THanks for the specific info/experience about this clinic. Given what you are sharing it seems to me that anyone in the area can/should call the local authorities and report the clinic for having/allowing non-trained/licensed medical professionals and known ex herion addicts performing medical procedures. They can actually be immediately shut down. What you shared absolutely hor
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Hey BadKoolaid, To whom do your comments refer? Who was claiming they weren't part of Phil's church? I'm confused. QuotebadkoolaidYou got to be kidding me , you are now telling people that you were never involed with phils set free?Pardon me but I was there brother , you and chip both,were there .Not only that you worked with Sandra , you did eveything phil asked you. You
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CARPEDIEM - for those of us unfamiliar with the "Love of Jesus Health Clinic" can you detail how it is connected to The ROC and Geronimo? Is it an on-site clinic? Is it licensed with licensed medical/psychological practitioners seeing clientele? Is it a free clinic or mixed (takes insurance, cash and offers free or sliding-scale services)? Is it a medical-only clinic, a dependency or ps
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Someone just shared something with me in private, which unfortunately I cannot share here. But it concerns Geronimo and his past at Set Free and his current situation and I'm just dumbfounded. Either some people can develop selective amnesia or Stockholm Syndrome. I don't get it. For those of you who are still going to The ROC I need to ask... does Geronimo have some kind of glowstick u
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Janett, Banderson and IneedtheTruth, Janet and Ineedthetruth... please read the full length of this thread. I do recall one or two insiders at the roc shared, in previous posts the details and references to the affairs not only Geronimo is having but other deacons. Since i've been through this with Geronimo and Phil and so many others before at Set Free I absolutely believe the accusatio
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