This thread listed Kalu R, Sogyal R, Lama Choedak (Sakya) To that list of controversial lamas or groups can be added Ole Nydahl (Kagu) Chogyam Trungpa and his successor, Osel or Ozel Tenzin(Kagyu/Ri-Med) Catherine Burroughs (Jetsunma Akhon Lahmo)(Palyul Nyingma) Michael Roach (obtained derivative legitimacy from the Gelukpa, now disowned by them) New Kadampa Tradition (NKP) A di
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".... in their breaks from previous traditions they stepped outside of all oversight] And in much more controversial news, WH of The Masculine Heart broke the story (to me at least) about Kalu Rinpoche, a young Tibetan monk -and believed reincarnation of the previous Kalu Rinpoche, a highly revered Buddhist teacher -who posted a video with allegations of abuse and attempted murder at th
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From an unofficial blog QuoteQuoteThis is Google's cache of . It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on May 8, 2012 15:40:06 GMT. The current page could have changed in the meantime. Learn more Full versionThese search terms are highlighted: michael roach years chronology .comment-link {margin-left:.6em;} The Diamond Mountain Blog This is an unofficial blog of news and in
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This is a post that was not asked to be taken down from the blog mentioned above, but I thought I would bring it here for safe keeping, hoping it is something that you would want to read: Tuesday, July 5, 2011Bodhi Path and Lama Ole Nydahl by Shamar Rinpoche 2011-07-15© Bodhi Path and Lama Ole Nydahl by Shamar Rinpoche 06. 07. 2010. An Answer to Questions Raised about Bodhi Path and La
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Quotegrainne uaileTibetan Buddhists Believe You Need to Have Sex to Become Enlightened Lama Thubten Yeshe (Introduction to Tantra, 147) wrote: "There is a certain point in the mastery of the completion stage where physically embracing a consort is necessary . . . ." Je Tsong Khapa who founded the Gelugpas, agreed that to attain Buddha-hood in one lifetime, it is necessary to us
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SEEKING ADVERTISING I am seeking to get through to those still in the NKT who are wishing for reform. Reforming administration is not editing the teachings. The current administrative techniques are damaging everything. So if you have any ideas how I can advertise to these people and tell them about my campaign for reform please message me. It is an anonymous campaign so that anyone can join w
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SEEKING ADVERTISING I am seeking to get through to those still in the NKT who are wishing for reform. Reforming administration is not editing the teachings. The current administrative techniques are damaging everything. So if you have any ideas how I can advertise to these people and tell them about my campaign for reform please message me. It is an anonymous campaign so that anyone can join w
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Hi all I wrote ages ago but am back now. I was hanging on to the NKT until I realised the festival fees had gone through the roof. This year it costs £200 for spring festival. If its £200 for 4 days for 14 days surely its going to be £1000?? Its totally wrong. teachings in this tradition have bee watered down for years and its at the point where you can only get a traditional Buddhist teaching i
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Thanks for your kind words Mystic, I'm positive there are references to DS being higher than a Buddha in the long puja Tsog I think. Anyway, life's much easier when you don't have all that mumbo jumbo to contend with!
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newkadampasurvivors/ wow!!! I just googled NKT forum to see if they had a forum, but before I went any further I saw this, AN NKT SURVIVER FORUM.
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QuotecorboyNot all can afford to do this...when I discovered that some books in my possession had been written by gurus who had grievously exploited their subjects, I chose to tear the books to shreds. I didnt want any book from my collection playing any part in some sincere person being led into a trap. The two authors whose works I rent asunder were Chogyam Trungpa and Muktananda--both o
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Tibetan Buddhists Believe You Need to Have Sex to Become Enlightened Lama Thubten Yeshe (Introduction to Tantra, 147) wrote: "There is a certain point in the mastery of the completion stage where physically embracing a consort is necessary . . . ." Je Tsong Khapa who founded the Gelugpas, agreed that to attain Buddha-hood in one lifetime, it is necessary to use an actual consor
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QuoteLineageholderHi, I don't think you understand how Tantra is practised in the NKT. There is no sexual union. Anyone who engages in sexual activity claiming it to be Tantric practice is probably heavily deluded. It certainly doesn't happen in NKT. This isn't what superscot says, if I understand him correctly. And it's not what a couple of teen members of NKT have said, w
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QuoteMisstyk Tantric practice, Highest Yoga Tantra, normally isn't available to everyone who walks into the center or monastery. Of those who are chosen to receive the teachings and practice, many are told to practice by visualization, not with a consort..... Hi, I don't think you understand how Tantra is practised in the NKT. There is no sexual union. Anyone who engages in sexua
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QuotesuperscotIt's just my opinion, but I think the NKT just put HYT out there every 2 years at the summer festival in Manjushri centre to draw crowds and make money...the sex is a side effect, but the main issue there is mass conversion and empire building. People collect these 'initiations' like Pokemon cards! Maybe they have a chip about being isolated from mainstream Tibetan s
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QuoteLineageholder$20,000 to progress on the path to enlightenment sounds like a good deal to me. People spend more than this on houses and cars that they have to leave behind with no lasting benefit. No money spent studying Dharma is ever wasted, unless, of course, you don't believe in the path to enlightenment or the benefit of these things in future lives, in which case a discussion on
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Here's a link to a website containing the Dorje Shugden prayers. You will see that there is nothing sinister in there and certainly no mention that Dorje Shugden is higher than Buddha Shakyamuni.
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Here is the NKT rationale for why its so important to rely on Shugden. QuoteThere is no difference in the compassion, wisdom, or power of the various Dharma Protectors, but because of the karma of sentient beings, one particular Dharma Protector will have a greater opportunity to help Dharma practitioners at any one particular time. We can understand how this is so by considering the examp
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Thank you Rude Awakening...Have you got the Wish Fulfilling Jewel Puja? I burned all that stuff, but I know that there's a line in it where Dorje Shugden is described as higher than Buddha. naturally that makes it hard for me to prove, so I've been trawling the net trying to find a copy (not surprisingly it's not anywhere onkine that I can find...) Also, simplifying the practice
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Hi, Thanks everyone for the revealing discussion. I was involved in NKT for a few months but have got out due to various gut feelings and things that weren't right, as well as noticing that something Kelsang Gyatso's was writing about in his book was total nonsense because he had misinterpretated the original text explaining the point (by Shantideva) and had apparently totally fail
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Get a life...
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Hi superscot You say: But, (and this is one I wonder whether you'll answer or not...), there are lines in the Wish Fulfilling Jewel prayers which state that Dorje Shugden is higher than Buddha. As Buddhism is named after the historical Buddha Shakyamuni, that it heresy, pure and simple. Thankfully I burned those prayers. I do Wishfulfilling Jewel every day and there are no su
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' The point of building Kadampa temples is to benefit all living beings'.. Have you heard yourself? At what point did a normal person with common sense escape through your fontanelle? Pretentious rubbish, NKT is full of that. Oddly enough, you haven't answered the statement I made that people within NKT are going about with the notion that Geshe is omniscient and has the abi
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I'm here for the same reason that you are....because I want to be. We both have an equal right to be here. I think it's reasonable for people to hear both sides of an argument. What's the point of a forum where people are allowed to bitch on about spiritual traditions without being able to consider the counterarguments? That's indoctrination. The point of building a T
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Ok then...so why are you here? Defending your lineage then? Geshela himself wrote an email to his followers years ago asking them not to engage in 'meaningless activities' over the internet. This is a forum for people like me....use your own forums. And, in case you care, I don't think that the average person looking around a kadampa temple gets any blessings, as the world is
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Hi superscot, I think you've missed the point of the International Temples Project. Seeing holy objects is for public benefit and thousands of people visit Kadampa Temples every year. It's not about converting anyone as most of those people are non-Buddhists and will remain so and Kadampa Temples and centres are open to everyone. There are plenty of charities that are caring for
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Oh forgot to say, why aren't you challenging the statements I made about people's belief inside NKT that Geshela is omniscient? That he is the one testing followers' abilities to utilise Dharma by procuring particular experiences? Or maybe you have something to say about the BBC documentary 'an unholy row' where Geshela says clearly on camera 'well what about it i
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Oh poor lineage holder. You just don't get it do you. Everything is for public benefit, but only if they walk inside the door of a Kadampa temple. Money accrued by the ton, temples built by the shed load 'for the benefit of the public'. Same mentality of the Evangelical Christian...convert as many as possible (quantity over quality). Of course you won't know anything ab
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Hi superscot, Your cynicism says that Kadampa Buddhism is not for you - fair enough, I hope you find a spiritual path that does suit you. So you want to study the Pali Canon and so forth - great! That doesn't mean that Tantra is not a valid spiritual path just because you have no faith in it. No one put a gun against your head and made you attend an empowerment. If you perceive peer
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Hi 'Lineageholder' I've a good notion of who you are. I am living proof that people are introduced to Tantra unnecessarily. i never practised it at all till I was socially coerced into it on meeting the NKT. For 30 years beforehand I attended other Tibetan traditions' centres and nowhere was it expected of me. In the NKT it was an expectation, connected with the 'group
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