kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Had the 90/10 principle (90% focus on APCO, 10% > focus on local church) been properly applied, it > should have been inverted (90% on the little > people, 10% focus on the bigwigs), and would have > probably created TLW into a healthy and thriving > community. > > Instead, this forum is what w
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Apostle Dog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > then they left off the most culty part, > where the demonic duo took over. Ha--I will need to introduce 'The Demonic Duo" in my next comic book. They will attempt to bring Oneness among all the other superheroes by requiring each one of them to submit to a relationship system called the Upward Flow.
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FCSLC Wrote: > A church without “integrity” is not a church > at all, but as paleface says, “The LW culture > will kill you and make you "old before your > time". I had so many blatant signs that I ignored about the lack of integrity and menacing nature of TLWF leadership, that if I paid attention, and wasn't so conditioned by "living word" teaching..
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TheSarge Wrote: > The "current" Word causes division, not oneness; insecurity, not > trust or fairh; separation from God, not a walk > with God. That internal dissonance definitely > causes hives, insomnia, hair loss, alcoholism Every current word needs to come with this warning label--since all the evidence from years of exposure point to it being an extremely dang
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AD-- I've had time to think about it...and I believe it was Invisible who mentioned this specific prophesy from John. Not sure if it was in this forum or back on Factnet. Anyway, if Invisible is who I think it is, it's almost a certainty that John said it.
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Apostle Dog Wrote: > JRS created the Walk, and JRS destroyed the Walk. > He himself spoke the prophesy of a younger man > running the Walk in the ground after him, and he > himself fulfilled that prophesy. John actually prophesied this, AD? Wow. I believe someone mentioned something similar before on this forum, but during my tenure in TLWF I don't recall ever hearin
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Silas has done a stellar job of promoting Gary in Brazil. The bonds of support from the fellowship for him there are strong, or at least appears that way. As for Rick, I never had much interaction with him. But a 3rd generation guy I knew well when I was in the fellowship did, and he basically told me one day that he hated him. I never inquired why, which is the way I went about things (wel
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I can't imagine Rick and Gary deferring to each other when they are both in L.A.-- in spite of all the messages on Oneness...and all that stuff about devotion.
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well, let's see where 'tracking with the current > Word' will take us: > > 03/16/16 -- Devote Yourself to God's > Kingdom > 03/05/16 -- Devote Yourself to God's Word > 02/27/16 -- Devote Yourself to Prayer 3/20/16--Devote Yourself to Getting the Hell out of Here (Sorr
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'd like to point out that trying to track with > the "currend word" is extremely stressful. It > will drive you nuts. Churn your guts into ulcers > and give you high blood pressure. And at the end > of the day, you will still never measure up. > Still never break thru into fulfi
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Cloudwatcher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Over and over and round and round---it never > stops. I wish someone would listen to those most > current months at least since m's death and > identify the themes being repeated and the > outrageous claims. There was a faint hope that upon M's death, G might just go somewhere an
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pbxguy Wrote: > All of a sudden, it simply wasn't a place > where we could hear what we believed was the voice > of God in our hearts anymore. And, the obvious > damage that was being done to people was not > something we wished to participate in. Just > writing about it makes me cringe a little at the > nonsense that was taking place back in those days > imme
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kd87 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I know our church was boozy as can be. Being > "radical" was encouraged. I confirm this!
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And the greatest among these were the apostles. And among the apostles, there was The Apostle, The Door Opener, the One ushering in the Kingdom Age with a Living Word, Christ in the Flesh, destined to enter into Resurrection Life with many sons to follow...(assuming they were obedient, and violent enough in their intercessory prayers to break through every restraint). And then there was The Apo
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Thanks for sharing, light777
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FCSLC Wrote: > Wandering aimlessly may actually do them some > good. Yes--it's excruciating to finally realize you've lived a delusion--but absolutely necessary. And now, a quote from the original 'The Office'...it doesn't perfectly apply to this topic, but I'll share it anyway: Gareth Keenan: I did learn a lot from David. I learnt from his mis
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> You mean like being a father to his own blood > daughter, for example? At the Palmer Lake shepherd's conference in '97 he said he did not have a daughter. I'm sure this statement has since been edited out of tape. BTW, I barely qualified for the conference. I wasn't on good terms with the pastor of our church at the time--which didn't work in my favor. Anyw
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Cloudwatcher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > kBOY Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > There is a distinct possibility that if enough > > doors open up for the G-man in Brazil, > > irrespective of doctrine, that he may decide > his > > ambitions outweigh any former allegiance, and >
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It would be really cool if eventually there was a weekly Mass in TLWF that was conducted in Latin. Now that would pique my interest--since I spent three years in high school trying to master that dead language. I would definitely be tempted to sneak into that Mass and watch this ancient dead language put into action. p.s. I wonder how you say "Yes, that's right" in Latin? That&#
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> FCSLC Wrote: > > Do statistics show any relationship between > sales > > of anti-depressants/anti-anxiety pills and > these > > modern day current words from the pulpit? Not sure--but I suspect some people in TLWF became alcoholics as a way of coping with the insane environment they found themselves in...and perhaps even their role in helping create it. Just
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Being repeatedly beaten by a doctrine of guilt can > only promote more depression. Hargrave has been in charge of bringing the "living word" for over 32 years now, roughly the length of time John spent in his ministry. If he had any spiritual sensitivity, he would know that it's time for him step away
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Cloudwatcher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > CLOUDWATCHER REPORT > . > > THIS JUST IN-- Now this is food for thought. > > > > Is The Church Creating An Atmosphere For the > Anti-Christ? > > > > > he-church-creating-an-atmosphere-for-the-anti-chri > st/ I don't understand...is Hargrave tak
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I'll be with you in spirit, kBOY! If you feel a 'why is everything taking so long?' presence at your house, that is likely me, trying to move things along--without physical exertion, of course.
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That perhaps the only silver lining, albeit a major one, of the travesty which was our TLWF experience. That when it came time to leave, every member of our family was on board, in agreement. That type of solidarity almost never happens, with anything we approach. It's a miracle if we can the four of us together for a family picture! We all knew--even the kids at a young age--how toxic the
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Anyway, on a more serious note, I agree with every poster on this forum who feels that if Gary is going to be an effective ministry in Brazil, he should at least learn Portuguese, and not be in need of an interpreter. He's obviously spent quite a bit of time there, and Brazil seems to the focal point of his ministry now. I recall back in the early 90's when he was using Silas to transla
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I prefer this kind of singing in tongues... > > Strange...I understood every word. And I don't even consider myself spiritual!
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Here's another one. Not sure if I have the correct link:
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You might get more viewers if you turned it into a > Biblically inspired puppet show. Ha The gift of love...expressed through puppets.
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I know if I put my heart into it, I could easily get a dozen people around the world view a live video feed of me talking about God...and stay awake.
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kBOY Wrote: > This service was viewed via > live video feed by hundreds of people world-wide." wow
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