The demise of Shiloh would be a fatal blow, devastating to the psyche of the fellowship. It would not be something I would find pleasure in...because I know how many 'good' people have sacrificed to build and maintain the place--and what it means to their lives.
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Many there are who have been kicked to the curb > after decades of dedicated service without any > corresponding support. “Our way or the highway > to nowhere.” Yet, while in TLWF, these same people would get rebuked for revealing any insecurity...not feeling the love from 'Mom and Dad.' The in
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > According to sources on the ground, even Rich > Lindy has been removed from all duties and been > mothballed. And let me guess...no pension. It would be fascinating to go through the history of the Walk/TLWF and be able to observe the money flow. It would be enlightening, in a sick sort of way.
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I'm aware of long-term ministries in the L.A. area that are intelligent, and have treated the congregation fairly and with respect (at least from what I have witnessed). I doubt TLWF would be in the sorry condition it is today if the reigns of leadership, post-John, had rested upon them. Off the top of my head there is Walkoe, Lindy, Fisher, Gruenberg...and others, of course, that "blew
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Keep squeezing the life and livelihood of the membership, until the base of support becomes so feeble that it can no longer support the weight of the organization. It appears Shiloh University fits perfectly into this strategy. However, if these divinity degrees do lead to quality employment, enabling a decent standard of living for the grads (and ease at paying back the debt), I will stand cor
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I think it is Matthew 5:30
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Factoverfiction Wrote: > I disagree, AD and CA. The time and money spent in the 4-5 years after H.S. > are immensely important in today's job market. I agree with you.
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > One of the major income sources for the LW > corporation was tape and book sales. I suspect > those sources are rapidly drying up. > > So maybe this is why Shiloh U was invented. The downside for graduates is that their degree is not valuable. The upside is that their financial contribution may
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pbxguy Wrote: > I was living in a communal home with Rick Arnold > (nephew of JRS), who telephoned "Uncle John" one > day to ask if there was any point to going, and > whether he should commit to a major at SDSU > because, "isn't the kingdom going to come any > second, and do I have time?". JRS told him to go > right ahead and apply, saying
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Yes, me too, Factoverfiction Factoverfiction Wrote: > I fear for kids brought up in the church > that never leave the 'covering' or in other words, > the sphere of influence of the church and its > mechanisms for control.
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Pushing Shiloh University upon young adults, in part by selling it as an equivalent of a community college education, definitely fits into the category of financial exploitation. If a kid graduates with a degree that basically is worthless--or at least not as valuable as what they thought--and they're also saddled with significant financial debt--that could take many years to recover from.
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This might be considered off-topic, but I just want to admit to myself and everyone that reads this forum that the Chocolate Coconut Almonds sold at Trader Joe's are absolutely amazing. I have no idea whether they are from God or Satan, but I plan to develop even a deeper relationship with them during these holidays. Death to all its rivals!!
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Does anyone know when the prayers for the death of > Martha Stevens started? Was it 1974 or so? Or > was it earlier? Not sure. It was in full swing when I joined in '76... BTW, I know some people get immersed in incompatible, hostile marriages--but labeling your wife a channel of Satan and involving
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I hear that Shiloh almost burned down one year. A > fire started to smolder up in the mattress room > after someone stacked them so high that they > touched the ceiling light bulb and started > smoldering. I surprised it wasn't a recurring problem, given all the heat generated in that room (dru
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ...and I'll be in the mattress storage room, where > the real action is happening. You mean...where God reveals the next phase of His Kingdom?
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'Squashing the fun'...if there ever is a reenactment of scenes from Shiloh in those days, I do not want that role...or anything dealing with the kitchen...or searching for missing fan blades in the sawmill. I think I would prefer the role of a prophet dutifully 'working on relationships' in Iowa city. That sounds good to me.
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > CHANGEDAGAIN: > > > How we loved to separate out and condemn. > Obviously, the stench of your injury was symbolic > of something in your spirit. They were just > obliged to let nature take her course, which > usually ends in death. Yes--I was aware at the time that my injury was likely vi
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Yes, Shiloh can be a place you're sent as a form of punishment...or to reeducate you into God's ways. I was directed there one summer to work on a project, which I did. The fact that before I went I suffered a rather serious injury (deep gash in my shin, which became infected), had not sought medical treatment (no health insurance), made no difference. Those behind my placement did not
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pbxguy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I was just remembering the fans in the sawmill > that were run all day with the aim of keeping the > flies off the workers. They were 4' diameter with > 2' blades. No fan guards. Every now and then, we > would notice the fan oscillating wildly and run to > turn it off, noticing it had lost a
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kBOY Wrote: > I am sure everyone knows of someone, who after > years of dedicated service, were simply cast aside > after their usefulness was expended, only to be > replaced by newer blood. Disappearing into the > woodwork was an unfortunate conclusion for those > not in the spotlight. Yes--the norm, rather than the exception. Again, part of the groundwork that m
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Just remember--that no matter how much sacrifice the people make feeding the one-way flow...it is never enough. This "God" of TLWF is never satisfied...the people are never given enough. If the leadership of the regime, post-Marilyn, consists roughly of the same few people...which I suspect it will...the exploitation, I mean, the opportunity to serve by providing free labor to God
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It's been so long since I read the Bible, I'm no longer even certain if it was Jesus who said: 'Sit down, shut up and listen. When you are done listening, get back to work." I've really lapsed.
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Thank you, Paleface. Wishing you a Happy Thanksgiving as well. Also, everyone else that has contributed to this forum...whether you are of the Lord, or not of the Lord. It is not an issue to me at this point.
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kBoy: There was a time when a ‘shepherd’ from an outlying church made his own sign and put it at the entrance. It read, “If you don’t have the guts to become a prophet STAY OUT” Ha--I wish I had a picture of that particular sign. I would use it as my cover page on Facebook.
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Yes
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Can one be both a Son of God and a decent human being? Or are they mutually exclusive? From my experience, and obviously many of those that have posted here, it seems the higher in position/rank a person in TLWf happened to be, the greater proclivity for them to be a total tool--reeking havoc on the innocent. The con that they are actually doing the will of God (you know, because He is so unacc
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"He had a nasty reputation as a cruel dude They said he was ruthless, they said he was rude They had one thing in common, they were good in administration." I may have gotten these lyrics wrong. If so, please disregard (as always) this comment.
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'Jubilee at the Compound' I'm now thinking it was a good idea I didn't put that album out. There would be very few people able to chillax to it.
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"You can check-out any time you like, But you can never leave." That album should NOT have been burned in your yard--how misguided. It was prophetic!
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