Posted by: Onion Date: April 28, 2019 07:58AM Changedagain - Thank you for sharing saw enough from 2013. Whoever he or she is, I would like to give them thanks. This post is beautifully written and 100% accurate. Some things began to change last year as a result of people bravely taking a stand. I understand some private communications started the ball rolling quite some time before the p
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From August of 2013: Posted by: Saw enough Date: August 13, 2013 02:52PM It would be nice if churches, like doctors, took an oath to "First, do no harm." The Living Word Fellowship has been marked by a series of abusive relationships and a lack of transparency, dating back to its beginning. For example: Sexual abuse was common in churches like Anaheim, San Diego, Washington
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From June of 2011: Posted by: changedagain Date: June 12, 2011 01:21AM Quote jhorning I've reached out recently to current members that I have known for years, but they won't talk about the walk or what is going on. They will not respond to me if I question what they are doing. John, The short answer is they probably believe they are on the right path, and having invested
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A few posts from February of 2017 re: Bob M. Posted by: changedagain Date: February 01, 2017 08:22AM One of the few things I'm proud is my response to being put over the worship schedule in SG during the last couple years of Bob M's life, and letting him do whatever the hell he wanted, including skipping the services. Of course, it was a private agreement we had, and hopefully
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A post by 'Wasted' from October 2020: Posted by: Wasted Date: October 31, 2020 06:28AM I have spent a lot of time reading many people’s stories and experiences within the cult that was/is The Living Word Fellowship. It is horrible, disgusting, and I am so sorry for all of those it has impacted. Thank you to so many who have shared. I sincerely hope as you move forward from these
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Posts by Changed4me and Invisible from late July of 2013: Posted by: Changed4me Date: July 30, 2013 10:19AM John's first wife was named Martha Stevens. John and Martha lived in a home in North Hollywood on Kling St. The Blix House was connected directly behind John's home. What I know about Martha is from what others told me or from comments JRS made. I do know that John would ha
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It turns out that this quote is not from the Sermon on the Mount. Boy, did I get duped: "Blessed are those who have no sympathy, for they shall rise up the chain of command."
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I still think the most effective sessions of intercession took place when people were sh*tfaced (a level above drunk), righteously angry and more than willing to smash things to oblivion in a church facility...you know, as long as other people paid for it. #VictorySpree Reep wrote: Changed and Typer, well...John S**er was parroting something that John Robert Stevens used to say. He often men
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Not to compare my intensity to John's--but back in the mid-70's I recall handing out flyers to homes near our local church during the day, urging them to evacuate immediately because that evening I would be engaged in violent intercession against principalities, powers and all sorts of evil in the spirit realm. Note: I may have have included a certain ballroom dancer, too--not sure.
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Thanks, Reep. For some reason I enjoy doing this--which means it must be opposed to God's will ;) Changedagain, you have a great talent for reposting and weaving salient points together. I appreciate very much that you do this here.
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Do you feel the love? /s Posted by: typer Date: November 07, 2019 08:51AM It is so weird. I still get afraid and flinch when I think of certain things. I'm actually a little scared right now to share this, for fear John S**er will come to my house and kill me. Please don't quote me on the following, but the words are pretty close to what was said. One time a few years ago we
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From October of 2013: Posted by: FCSLC Date: October 07, 2013 07:04PM Quote paleface: “To me, that sums up the leadership of the Living Word. Keep the sheep busy with programs and campaigns. And keep them tithing.” I remember one time when my wife and I were over at the pastor’s house which was just down the dirt road on Faith Chapel Church Land (we had five acres----sold out from und
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FCSLC! Happy Independence Day to you as well.
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Note: LampFromIkea, a fixture on Factnet, chose not to participate in this forum. Probably burnt out.
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Discussion group stats: Comments: 12,364 Page views: 3,413,530 Bonus: Posters who keep their spirit in their sneakers: Likely zero From May of 2022: Posted by: changedagain Date: May 18, 2022 06:07AM Thank you to all who have contributed to this discussion through the years-- including, but not limited to: Unapologetically John832, Reepicheep, puddington, kBOY, that
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He was unfaithful to his top mistress. It's been a long time since I opened a Bible, but I am pretty sure it warns against that. ;) They turned that into a series of words on how John's real problem wasn't lust or drinking but disobedience -- in that he didn't give himself to Marilyn.
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From March of 2015: Posted by: changedagain Date: March 20, 2015 08:54PM Lily wrote: <Some folks have Teflon in the their DNA and the negative effects of the Walk probably slid off there backside and they were able to move on. On the other hand, the DNA of some folks is to internalize what happens to them and they haven't been as successful in shaking of the dust of the LW. The L
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"Democracy depends on shared truths, and autocracy depends on shared lies." -Sacha Cohen
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A few posts from November of 2018: Posted by: larry bobo Date: November 12, 2018 07:16PM (excerpt) Onion said,” I have heard from a very reliable source that the leadership of TLWF is instructing those still involved with the churches NOT TO TALK TO ANYONE about what is going on in the churches and NOT TO ANSWEAR QUESTIONS even from their closest family members.” If this is really tru
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A few posts, as the 4th of July approaches... Posted by: FCSLC Date: July 05, 2016 11:52PM My wife and I serve our two dogs. Food, water, shelter and even anti-anxiety/stress pills for the fireworks season. They won’t submit unless they’re rewarded, that is their unalterable bottom line. Posted by: Paleface ate: July 05, 2015 07:26AM Well another gala 4th of July show was presented
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"Prophets of God marching along At the end of an age They are the ones that make things happen That make things happen. Judging what's right Loosing what's wrong As one great army they stand" O.K.--I gonna stop now. I think I may be butchering the lyrics (please disregard this post)
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Oh, I wasn't aware of that. He never talked politics, at least in the time I spent with him. I recall one day he told me that John was good with magic tricks, and that he could make money disappear in his hand--or something like that. Of course, a few potential jokes about John making money disappear immediately entered my mind, but I didn't go down that path. I could tell he still
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Perhaps got the axe for being a bit edgy, fun & subversive? I liked that about him. It was refreshing, especially in contrast to the stone cold, ruthless ambition of G & M.
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I remember him telling me that he had no intention of going to Phoenix. At the time he was living next door to G & M, and he said they were shunning him. I suspect he viewed the directive that he relocate to Phoenix as being exiled. He also indicated that G & M were being the usual intrusive selves, trying to change things in him that he didn't want changed. At one point he describ
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TLWF slogan for the "sheep." "DON'T THINK, JUST OBEY." So inspirational!
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I know in a few instances that they used this new doctrinal twist to target a few key men in the fellowship that were perhaps a threat to them. Dan S., pastor of SG at the time, may have been one of them. Reep wrote: Maybe Gary and Marilyn Hargrave just wanted to confuse and disorient us. And that, I believe, is what they did. They sure knew how to "flood the zone with sh*t." I
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"Keep your spirit in your sneakers." -Marilyn No wonder Nike never hired her to write slogans ;)
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The jokes were about the obvious privilege he enjoyed in the fellowship. I didn't know him personally (thank god).
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My wife approached Marilyn after a church service in the early 90's, asking for advice. I was having difficulty receiving the "living word" messages that were being brought about "killing the male spirit" at the time, and wasn't sure what to do. She said Marilyn was quiet for quite a while, and then just said "kill him." That was the totality of her so-call
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/s
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