QuoteIn fact, my last was not even replied to by any of you. Normally, in a debate, when the opposite side has no comeback, it's a win! Or...... nobody felt that it was significant enough to reply to? Thank you for debating with us, and, if you read all previous posts, you will find in many places where MKPers have been thanked for their postings. QuoteIt is very easy to look at onl
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QuoteThey told us that we would be woken in the morning and that when we were awoken, we would each have to get naked and take a one-minute cold shower. And to make sure that nobody cheated, each man would go one at time while the rest of the cabin watched and counted to 60… Seems like enforced voyeurism if you ask me. Thank you for posting your experience. It seems that many men will not d
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I wimp out with women by _________.” The instructors demonstrated to begin. The first, “I wimp out with women by putting the seat back down after peeing!” Why is this regarded by some "men", to be "wimping out", when, for me as a woman, I feel that it is a consideration of me as a woman when a man puts the seat down, not wimping out? Only a "man" would consider
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QuoteginahJwills, I was wondering how you feel about the basic lies of omissin that MKP uses when recruiting new members and how you consider this as being an honest person in your life? hhmmm, I guess the above question, if they changed their tactics, would mean they would have to be......HONEST!
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Jwills, I was wondering how you feel about the basic lies of omissin that MKP uses when recruiting new members and how you consider this as being an honest person in your life?
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Each "chapter" "area", has a fundraising ?officer. My husband has talked to me about this and was "thinking" of partaking in this as our area was looking for someone to take the position. He has decided against it since we read about the Houston Fundraising tactics which really turned him off. QuoteBut are you certain that there isn't a Chief Financial Off
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I guess I do not understand the ??lack of respect?? for these forms of therapy by people. This is not a great example but as close as I can think of. It seems to me, that allowing men or women, who have no real training in these therapies to "play with your mind", would be like going to a "Dr." who has had a weekend workshop to do surgery on you. Would you let someone who
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Question, with MKP recruiting men who are in other "self help, therapy, education" programs, are they not taking a chance that they will recruit men who have too many emotional problems for this weekend to be helpful? Could that be a strategy that could, in the long run, be harmful to these men they recruit? (and their families) QuotetruthsearchMKP recruits many of its members fro
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Thank you Anidawehi for replying. I kind of thought that was the case but was not for sure and did not know how to put it into words. Now, with education such an issue within this country, I still don't get how MKP can legally "claim" to be educational when they are clearly doing therapy work. Seems like a loophole within the therapy vs educational laws. QuoteAnidawehiQuotegi
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What makes MKP Educational instead of Therapeutic? Are their certain guidlines that has to be followed to be regarded as Therapeutic instead of Educational? Is it just MKP making that judgement? I would be interested in further understanding the distinction between the two. Especially, as for me, when I read their manuals it points me in the direction of MKP being Therapeutic more than Educat
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QuoteSome of these groups you mention almost force their members to give them 'titheing' (a percentage of income, Mormans do this). None of them to my knowledge give out scholarships to the needy so they can participate. In my weekend there were about 4 people who were there on scholarships. Does anyone know if MKP has a "general rule" as to how long a person is in MKP befo
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Quotehelp_usQuite a way back in this thread you posted some of the music they play at the weekend. You said there were more, do you have them available to post? Thanks! I am not Ivy but this is what I have, they might use different types these day's. holographic music Deep Breakfast, Track Two Deep Breakfast, "Track Three Deep Breakfast, Track Two Deep Breakfast, Track Four
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QuoteMKP may very well be about money. I have my own suspicions in that regard also. However, my suspicions are relatively normal (for me) - and I can't tell you that MKP IS about money until I SEE (factually) that said funds are going into the pockets of MEN. I don't know this is what is happening, I feel that their is a group at the top that is "about the money", what I
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Thank You feldspar! My husbands mom and step-mom seem to think this is a wonderful group so far. My concerns mean nothing to them other than they feel I am just being mental with being worried and do not understand my issue with "secrets" in my marriage,... Go figure!!
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I wanted to appologize, I feel I lied when I said a few messages ago that would be my last posting. At the time I felt that was true, obviously that has not been the case. I have felt the need to reach out at this time in my life.
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Quote Keep in mind, very few men are paid any monies, mainly just volunteers. The "volunteers", pay to go to these weekend trainings for new initiates. They do not go for free. Only the "elders" get paid. My husband's weekend, the initiate deposits were $150.00 for each person, add the full amount of the weekend of $650.00 per person, approx 30 people. $19,500.00 j
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QuotefeldsparI appreciate your thoughts on that. Please continue to post, without both sides of an issue it is not a debate, it is a lecture CB, I thought I had made it clear, I like debating, and I want all sides, I appologize if I made you "feel" unwelcome.
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QuoteginahI do have a couple of question's for you at this time... Why did you join this group if you are no longer in MKP and still defend them? Why do you defend them so much? And why now? AND Who are you? this was for cb1000rider
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I do have a couple of question's for you at this time... Why did you join this group if you are no longer in MKP and still defend them? Why do you defend them so much? And why now? AND Who are you?
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Quotehelp_usYes, and remember, when the men sign the waiver and confidentiality documents they are not giving INFORMED CONSENT. I can't see those documents being legal. We all know these men did not know exactly what would be happening to them and the psycological methods they would be exposed to before hand (or I'd bet that a lot of them wouldn't have signed) I agree they did
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On the MKP website, they state that they work with prison's. I assume this is to make them "seem" more legit (my thought's, I don't know.) In my state I have found that this is NOT TRUE. They were denied when they applied.... Maybe they are allowed this in other states, but not in mine...
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Quotecb1000riderginah, Best wishes to you, your husband, and for your relationship. It's been an honor to be able to *discuss* these topics without resorting to name calling, presenting opinions as facts, and for both of us to take accountability. I am sorry that the MKP experience has hurt you personally and know that I wish you the best. You have taught me things.. I very much appr
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This will be my last posting. Last night my husband and I had a fight, I was told to "SHUT UP" or "GET OUT". Since I do love my husband very much, I will try to follow his directions. He IS a man of integrity, I love him very much. No, I was not trying to "delete" some of what you had said, I was just trying to shorten all of this. I am sorry if you felt tha
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QuoteLast week we were speaking a little about MKP, and she mentioned it was time for them to decide their "contribution" for the year. This is what I was talking about earlier, my husband was given a form and asked for us to give a monthly contribution. He said that it was talked about with the group for quite some time and how they did not "make" enough money to pay for
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Thank you what2do for finding this. I had found it and printed a copy and was trying to find it again but have researched and looked at so many places I could not remember where I had found that one. Quotewhat2doCB, I found a copy of a Form 990 Return of Organization Exempt from Income Tax for the year 2003 of the San Diego organzation. This has been posted on a blog for quite a while. Under
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QuoteIf he can't sign in good faith, he shouldn't sign. Period. As I stated, we "thought" he was signing an agreement to not disclose any information he might gain about other people, and we both agreed that was a good thing. QuoteAre you a therapist? Do you have a background in metal health? Are you calling it healthy because the thought of non-disclosure raises red f
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Quote $76,000 annual salary might be considered substantial depending upon what state and city the person so salaried lives in. For me, when you look at the businesses these guys own, they are paying their right pocket from their left pocket. Yes, that is an assumption on my part while trying to track what is going where. I am not an accountant either. My husband however is savvy in this iss
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Thank You Ivy, very very very much!!!!!!!!!!! QuoteIvyCB your posting to ginah! First of all, I don't care what kind of paper her husband signed, he also signed one the day ginah married him, and that is most important,..... not to mention, the papers he signed with the MKP mean nothing!! And if she did tell here girlfriends things, it would be just that a (Friend) probably
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i don't know if I'll ever be able to be intimate with him ever again. Do otherwomen feel this way? I wonder about our conversations, will he disclose what I say to him? Will he keep my confidence? Oh crap, do I have to request that he not talk about this????? I feel no longer able to just talk with him without this worry in the back of my mind, is this something that would bother
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<If so are you "man" enough to answer and comment on my following statements? Do you have the "Guts"? ..............> That's a bit baiting, don't you think. <Of course, I was trying to bait someone into answering my questions. You never answered the one about a man (and spouse) not knowing anything about what the weekend is about, being pu
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