There are 2 great forces that rule this reality: Fake love and fear. And butler is master at using them both to his advantage. One thing we can all agree on, is that the dude ain’t stupid. Yes he is indeed a master. But not a spiritual one. He is a master in manipulation. The brains of the devotees get addicted to the bliss dopamine and they become dependent upon butler. Because he claims
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Devotees should not even aspire to make millions so that they can sue people, buy boats,mansions and book the whole business class for a germaphobe. The whole purpose of this path is to encourage renunciation. At least Iskcon built temples. What have these people done with the money asides from pampering the prima donna? I cannot believe how blinded devotees are. They don’t even read the scri
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The experience I have had with leaving Krishna consc has been similar to giving up the relation with a jealous narcissist. I cannot believe that as soon as I stepped out, my life was turned into hell. And this is a reality that I alone know and I don’t care how others judge me for this unique reality. This is why I don’t solely blame butler. I have seen the true faces of the forces behind thi
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What a sad waste of time to have this lunatic give you life instructions. The fact that I am still here is not because of butler, the miseries I experienced in the cult. I feel emotionally distant from it all. I have an aversion toward the evil of this world. The forces that have very personally messed with me and my life. There is nothing more troubling than evil that stays hidden. Or semi
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There are no words that can express the gratitude I feel for this forum. I guess it saddens me to see to what extent people can get brainwashed into accepting slavery and fear as love. I see how I have been blinded my whole life. Even outside of the cult. And when you wake up, you just can’t believe how you could have been so blind for so long. And we just become passive actors in other people
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It is important to try and grasp this reality as a whole. Not to just focus on SoI and Krishna Consc. Krishna consc is just one piece of the puzzle. butler is just one other narcissist with some mental disorders. We must go much deeper into it all and try to understand what the actuall hell is going on. It is only through going deeper and deeper that we can truly start seeing the bigger pict
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They say that people prefer to buy a beautiful lie than to be told an ugly truth. This is how we are kept in that terrible state. You know why I think butler has been made to believe he is a modern jesus? Because I have extensive experiences with the psyche and how it operates. I have been made to believe such things too. It is an absolutely mind blowing manipulation. Very hard to explain
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After all my horrible post cult experiences, my whole body goes in repulsion mode when I think of all the times I bowed down to these invisible entities. Leaving this cult has been worse than leaving an ex jealous narcissist. May noone ever go through what I have. However freedom is always worth fighting for. Especially the freedom of the mind. How easily we give our mind and soul to the fir
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Emotional thinking will always find an excuse to protect narcissism and evil. It is very hard to break free from the layers of addiction to religious programming. Trust me. I have been faithful to god before I even entered the womb. The same way my earthly parents were a mix of good and terrible, so are the gods we worship. When I look at my parents, they gave me many good things and good qu
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Scriptures are dangerous. Why? Because they cannot be altered. So it was written hundeds of years ago to trust guru blindly. And now everybidy must suffer the consequences of thag BS instruction. Not only trust but fear to even look at the wrong way. I said it a million times and will say it again. My post leaving the xukt has been sheer hell. It has nothing to do with karma. It is a reality
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I think one of the reasons I am half involved in this battle, is not truly because of butler and the covert cult. It is not because of the spiritual abuse and the years I lived in fear. It goes much deeper than that. After many years of deep research and my personal experiences, I know for sure that we have been lied to on every level. We have absolutely no clue who the beings that we worshipp
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The currency used in SoI is bliss. And at this point it does not matter what is the cost behind it. Kind of like the mafiosi wives who live a lavish life knowing their husbands take oit a few bodies a week. The same mafiosi who go to church and confess their sins. Then back to being criminals. They don’t care who does what. They don’t care about corruption. As long as there is that transact
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Think about how disempowering the path of Bhakti is for this day and age. 5000 years ago krishna and the demigods descended to battle all these mythological creatures. Giant demons both in human and animal forms. They had the very distinct caste system. Men (warriors) were supposed to give protection to the women, elserly, children… Then 4500 years later, in the worse age possible where your
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There is one thing I am not sure I can forgive myself for. Not having the vision to see that my so called god brother and sisters were getting abused by butler. And as I said it before, my own abuse is rather healed after the massive purge. I remember that poor woman who is one of the most dedicated servant. She would walk around with Eczema blisters and itching her skin all the time. She had
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VoxVeritasVita das thank you so much for your kind words. I truly appreciate it. I truly feel that we are all at very different places in our lives and I too was one of those blind followers at one point. But then again it was not truly that blind because from the moment I entered the path, I was bombarded by very extraordinary pehnom that made me believe 10000 % that it was all true. I got t
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You see. I was here for almost 2 years purging so much past trauma and pain. I acted like a crazy person many times who got me quite unpopular for good reasons. It was a rather painful and slightly embarassing process. However those who held space for me helped me more than those who attacked my behavior. I, was left to purge a very heavy chunk of hell stuck in me after decades of abuse. And
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The beings that put the Vedas together claim they have also constructed this material hole. Karma, reincarnation… I mean no scripture gives you as much detail as the vedas about the mind, senses, ego, the different natures… Krishna consciousness is a great pacifier snd antidote. In all these years, if I had stayed a devotee, I would have been able to suck up all the torture with humility. I
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We all come into this world with baggage. Some have a more angelic fabric for sure. I have met such sweet souls at the SoI.Very rare though. But then again they came from very kind and balanced families with no trauma. I myself for sure carry a huge anount of the negative qualities, which am not proud of. Those who have heavier pasts suffer more in these settings. And the leaders are not quali
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Of course the Vedas would know about human nature. Don’t they keep telling us that they created these human genomes? Don’t they give us so many guidelines about the mind, ego, senses… Yes human nature is very complex as well as the psyche. I have realized that faith and beliefs make it a bit easier. Like when everybody thinks sthe same thing. Humans like to hang out like a flock of sheep an
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A healthy dose of narcissism is almost needed to survive this jungle. And also to comfront those who want to play Alpha with us. And most deal with psych, emotional issues. Some are much better at hiding it or ghey are so full of themselves they cannot see it. The poor devotees have to give away all sense of self and become Betas so that a few alphas can dominate them. They think they have
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Before the internet lies and scams could pass easier. Today you cannot so essily get away with it thanks to the Net. I was thinking how I gave my money with so much happiness. Hard earned money swnt to SoI dor what damn project? Rinsing butler’s dishes with Evian? I mean tbis goes beyond insanity. The poor devotees are usually not earning much money. And the guru is supposed to live a simple l
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I truly hope that there will be an afterlife reward for the iskcon and SoI devotees. Asides from the Elites of any of these groups or those who have it good, the others have experienced a slice of hell in these institutions. Even those who have an instagram life in the cult of butler are lost. Lost because they have surrendered and accepted a disordered person as a pure and perfect entity. It
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I woke up to this today. Not looking for SOI info. Just landed in my mailbox. I thought it was too good not to share here. It is from crissy’s twitter account.
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What is important is that the ugly truth has been exposed. And some of us have been able to see the insanity. What you don’t know or don’t want to know will not hurt you. Those who are in the cult, will always consider butler as being a perfect Jesus that has saved their lives. This is the bliss of ignorance that will keep them happy. They were not able to sell us a lie. And they must also
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I am sure that my posts in here has gained me the reputation of a lunatic that many will not take seriously. I doubt that anybody who wants to escape the cult will be afraid of nad karma. My life and experiences in general have been very extraordinary since I entered the womb. My relation to the deities is also very unusual. So hopefully noone will ever have to go through the same hell I have
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I can see again that the post hints to what I have shared. I could have just let it slide, but as I am sitting here with chronic injuries, it is going to be a bit tough to stay humble. And this is far feom being an argument or attack. Try and understand the complexities of the relation people have with so called gods, gurus, spiritual paths… Each so called human has a different blueprint. Th
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Now that I have snapped out of that very horrible zone, I feel quite embarrassed about my behavior on this forum. However it is also an indication of what decades of abuse (adding the spiritual abuse) can do to a person. I guess that the healing modality that I picked was more than I bargained for. And I could never imagine what kind of purge it would be. When we have been abused and could not
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Yes. The endless arguing about how people see krishna consciousness must come to an end on this forum. And also psychoanalizing and attacking those who process deep trauma should also be taken in consideration. A respect for every individual to share their experiences is key. If we do not get these experiences, move on. No need to make someone feel bad about them. Anyway Thanks Rick for offer
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After many years of suffering from the pains of spiritual abuse, I can say that I am ready to leave it all behind, Puring the hurt on this forum has been extremely helpful in helping release the pain. I realized that spiritual abise is on a different level as material emotional abuse. It destroys our connection with the divine. A connection that a cultic setting can distort. Making you feel gui
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I did not have the intention of posting here again but did not feel like playing Jesus and turn the left cheek. So there was no need to invite me to leave the forum so arrogantly. My last posts were nothing but filled with good intentions. But even though I came from a place of balance and kindness, I still was met with the dragon’s fire. I know what it feels like to hold that spirit of re
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